More European parochialism.

[arsenal]

Another bunch just like the Scottish Nationalists and The Brexiteers

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41493014

[joe552]

Don't forget Sinn Fein!

[arsenal]

They're heading towards civil war if they don't pull back.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41498685

[Khor tose]

Another bunch just like the Scottish Nationalists and The Brexiteers

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41493014

Not in this case. Catalan has it own language, fought against Franco, has had a long time drive for independence, and the vote was not even close.
I am sure most member on SGT have been in both Barcelona and Madrid. Going from Madrid to Barcelona felt like leaving Spain and entering the rest of Europe.
At least that is the way I felt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia

[Moses]

Another bunch just like the Scottish Nationalists and The Brexiteers

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41493014

No. Here is different story, what just is shown by BBC like "an another story".

There are only about 1/3 of Catalans in the population of Catalonia.

Reason is economical: Catalonia produces around 25% of Spanish GDP while is only 6% of territory and about 15% of population.

[Khor tose]

No. Here is different story, what just is shown by BBC like "an another story".

There are only about 1/3 of Catalans in the population of Catalonia.

Reason is economical: Catalonia produces around 25% of Spanish GDP while is only 6% of territory and about 15% of population.

Actually, I think Catalan does even better then that. You source? In your country everything has an economic reason. Go to Barcelona and talk to the Catalan people and try to tell them its economic. Please call me first, I would love to hear that conversation.

[scottish-guy]

Another thread which proves the usual SGT "experts" actually know fuck all about anything

[arsenal]

I am sure that Scottish agrees with me in comparing the way the National governments (UK and Spain) behaved. That the UK government has shown itself to be extremely fair minded in allowing a free vote whilst the Spanish organised a right wing style police crackdown.

[scottish-guy]

"Allowing"?

Provided the "people" demonstrate a desire via the ballot box, a referendum on Independence is not the UK Government's to deny - in 2014 or now.

Scots entered this Union voluntarily and we shall leave if and whenever it suits us.

For the avoidance of doubt - the same goes for the English.

The situation in our 2014 Referendum is not comparable with the Spanish situation at all. "Our" Referendum was agreed whereas the whole problem in Spain is that the Spantish Govt would not agree.

However, now in 2017 the UK Government is currently seeking to block any future Referendum on Independence - despite the fact there is a double-mandate - thus foolishly putting themselves in a worse position than the Spanish Govt.

It therefore remains to be seen how the UK Govt behaves if the Scottish Govt decides to call Indyref2 in defiance of them - and I would not put it past them to behave in exactly the same fashion.

[arsenal]

Disingenuous Scottish. But then you know that already.

There is no proviso in the Act of Union that allows Scotland to just up sticks and leave if they think the going gets a bit hard. Exactly what I said, your referendum was agreed by the UK government. The Scottish government does not have the legal right to call a referendum, sovereignty remains with Westminster. And are you expecting a referendum every three years, why not every year or perhaps you should have one monthly until you get the result you want. What about two a day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon just in case people change their minds after an excellent smoked salmon lunch.