Me again.

[Smiles]

Can he not leave Laos without this being newly stamped?

A chinote has absolutely no connection to leaving or not leaving Lao. The former is a land ownership issue, the latter is an immigration/visa issue.
I don't really understand what you mean with your question.

Is there any way our men can email each other about this?

I don't think so.

[cdnmatt]

Well, call the Australian government, and ask them. But yeah, there's a chance will want that with a dated stamp that is no older than 6 months, which would make sense. The government won't care he owned land years ago, but will want to know he still owns it today.

[justaguy]

Ok, first off @justaguy -- What are you talking about? Granted, I've never been to Leo's farm before, but I have been to Kims' farm. That was a sizable plot of land, and it produced about 1.5 tonnes of rice, and took Kim about 3 days to help harvest. So for a farm to produce 11 tonnes of rice is huge, and last time Leo was gone for 3 weeks to help on the farm. That has to be the size of a good sized sub-division in Canada. I only wish I owned that much land.

Anyway, I tend to do things overkill, especially when it's something I care about. Nonetheless, I'm planning to get Leo a 6 month visitor VISA to Canada in the future, and if it helps, here's what I'm planning.

1.) We've been taking time stamped photos for a good while, hence proving genuine relationship.
2.) We have letter from my eye specialist vouching that he's my care taker.
3.) We have his passport his entry / exit stamps, proving his time in Thailand.
4.) Proof of finances, plus later we will get get a joing bank account, and I'll ensure there's enough in there to satisfy the Canadian government.
6.) When we get a new house lease, I'll ensure his and mine names are on it.
7.) He has his name on the farm in Laos, which we will get translated into English.
8.) I'll have my family write letters, plus his family write letters, just to confirm that we actually know each other and live together. Again, doesn't need to be a romantic relationship, but the government will want proof it's a genuine relationship, and he's not just paying me to take him across the border.

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few items, and will remember them when I get around to it. Again, I tend to go overkill on these things, but due to that, they generally work out the way I want.

Obviously I was not referring to Leo's land, but the plot of land from the OP !

[justaguy]

Can he not leave Laos without this being newly stamped?

Of course he can leave Laos, he can even get to Australia, providing he can submit a succesful visa application.

If he tells you he cannot leave Laos without this matter resolved, he is lying. But you seem to ignore the people who suspect he is.

[colmx]

I can concur with Smiles and NewAllan's posts above on the costs of land transfers

When my BF was applying for his first Irish visa (A long and drawn out saga, well documented over the years!) we ran into several issues.

First was that land was in Grandfathers name. So we had to do a double transfer from Grandfather to father to son.
Next,one of my BFs uncles had taken a small loan out against the land - which of course had to be repaid and cleared before land could be transferred over to BF's name.

We also had some uncles come looking for a handout during the transfer - but they were swiftly told where to go!

And despite being the country - Buriram lawyers don't come cheap!
Remember it doesn't matter if the land is only worth 30k - its the dwelling that is sitting upon the land which has the value!

We now use the Chanoot for the land as his "reason to go back to Thailand" during visa applications

[cdnmatt]

Thinking about it, this just getting stupid now. Yes, more than likely the Australian government will want a dated stamp on the land title no older than say 6 months, because they will want to know he still currently owns the land. I don't know, you will have to check with the govt on that. Who knows, maybe it will require the land to get surveyed again, which means Smiles and Leo are right, and about 15,000 baht sounds about right.

However, please know that's only one small part of what's going to be required to get him entry. If you think he's going to hit the border with a Laos passport and stamped land title, then be allowed to meander on in, then you're sadly mistane. People in both of our homelands love to bitch about how we let anyone and everyone in, but that's simply not true, and it's quite difficult to get into either Canada or Australia. More than likely, he won't even be allowed to board the flight without a valid Australian VISA in his passport.

If you really want to bring him over, you're going to need to go to the Australian govt website or give them a call, and ask what the requirements are to get him a valid tourist / visitor VISA. Then satisfy those requirements, and have him apply for a VISA at an Australian embassy. You're probably looking at about a 6 month process.

On top of that, please know you will most likely be required to sign off on and sponsor him, eh? That means if he fucks up while in Australia, you're on the hook for it. If he commits a crime, overstays, gets a job, goes to school, tries to get social assistance of any kind, and so on, the government will come after you and charge you for all expenses incurred to society. I'd be careful about bringing someone in you don't truly know.

Not that any of this matters, because there's a decent chance he's just fucking you over for a quick 15,000 baht, and has no intention to visit Australia.

[cdnmatt]

Thinking about it, this just getting stupid now. Yes, more than likely the Australian government will want a dated stamp on the land title no older than say 6 months, because they will want to know he still currently owns the land. I don't know, you will have to check with the govt on that. Who knows, maybe it will require the land to get surveyed again, which means Smiles and Leo are right, and about 15,000 baht sounds about right.

However, please know that's only one small part of what's going to be required to get him entry. If you think he's going to hit the border with a Laos passport and stamped land title, then be allowed to meander on in, then you're sadly mistane. People in both of our homelands love to bitch about how we let anyone and everyone in, but that's simply not true, and it's quite difficult to get into either Canada or Australia. More than likely, he won't even be allowed to board the flight without a valid Australian VISA in his passport.

If you really want to bring him over, you're going to need to go to the Australian govt website or give them a call, and ask what the requirements are to get him a valid tourist / visitor VISA. Then satisfy those requirements, and have him apply for a VISA at an Australian embassy. You're probably looking at about a 6 month process.

On top of that, please know you will most likely be required to sign off on and sponsor him, eh? That means if he fucks up while in Australia, you're on the hook for it. If he commits a crime, overstays, gets a job, goes to school, tries to get social assistance of any kind, and so on, the government will come after you and charge you for all expenses incurred to society. I'd be careful about bringing someone in you don't truly know.

Not that any of this matters, because there's a decent chance he's just fucking you over for a quick 15,000 baht, and has no intention to visit Australia.

[colmx]

BTW the 20 x 30 measurements may not necessarily be metres - remember that in Thailand (and presumably Laos) they have their own measurement system - so those dimensions could be in Wa(2M) or Sen(40M)

If its in Sen - then your guy could be a considerable land holder!

[justaguy]

I just asked my boyfriend, he had to laugh at the 15.000 baht. A land ownership change in Lao would not be more than the odd 3 to 4000 baht.

He said that dreadful word for utter bullshit, that sounds like toileh.

And that land is not big, it's tiny. As confirmed by my boyfriend.

In any case, if that piece of paper would be part of the visa application, it will need to be translated AND legalized by MOFA in Vientiane. Don't worry, that won't cost you more than about 700 baht in total

For a schengen Visa, all of this bollocks is not required if one goes the sponsorship route. The burden to prove income remains totally at the sponsor. Intend to return doesn't necessarily have to be some land. My boyfriend got a schengen visa 6 times, and he doesn't own land, doesn't have children, yet it was never a problem. If you can show a genuine relationship it's all really done and dusted.


A very good friend of mine got her UK boyfriend to pay 35.000 baht for a non existing "security check" twice ! She obviously never made it to the UK

Oh the bollocks people are trying to pull, and the gullible westerners that fall for it, priceless.

Bottom line, why would you have to pay for something that is totally unrelated to the visit you are offering him ? He doesn't need that piece of land to exit Lao anymore than he needs it to secure a visa.

[colmx]

For a schengen Visa, all of this bollocks is not required if one goes the sponsorship route. The burden to prove income remains totally at the sponsor.

You are lucky that you have the Schengen visa where you come from... in the rest of the civilized world we are a little more fussy about who we let across our borders and force reams of paperwork upon applicants

A friend of mine is trying to get an Irish visa for his Chinese friend and they are being made jump through hoops... Same same when my Thai BF comes here. Worst thing is each time we apply they look for more and more paperwork