Me again.

[aarancam]

Thank you. He just explained that so I'm going ahead with it. I'll keep you briefed...

[justaguy]

Which, if Australian immigration is anything like the UK's, will have to be proved - no easy feat!

Yeah, well a few photos together might actually do the trick. a nice letter explaining the relationship might also help.

[cdnmatt]

Ok, first off @justaguy -- What are you talking about? Granted, I've never been to Leo's farm before, but I have been to Kims' farm. That was a sizable plot of land, and it produced about 1.5 tonnes of rice, and took Kim about 3 days to help harvest. So for a farm to produce 11 tonnes of rice is huge, and last time Leo was gone for 3 weeks to help on the farm. That has to be the size of a good sized sub-division in Canada. I only wish I owned that much land.

Anyway, I tend to do things overkill, especially when it's something I care about. Nonetheless, I'm planning to get Leo a 6 month visitor VISA to Canada in the future, and if it helps, here's what I'm planning.

1.) We've been taking time stamped photos for a good while, hence proving genuine relationship.
2.) We have letter from my eye specialist vouching that he's my care taker.
3.) We have his passport his entry / exit stamps, proving his time in Thailand.
4.) Proof of finances, plus later we will get get a joing bank account, and I'll ensure there's enough in there to satisfy the Canadian government.
6.) When we get a new house lease, I'll ensure his and mine names are on it.
7.) He has his name on the farm in Laos, which we will get translated into English.
8.) I'll have my family write letters, plus his family write letters, just to confirm that we actually know each other and live together. Again, doesn't need to be a romantic relationship, but the government will want proof it's a genuine relationship, and he's not just paying me to take him across the border.

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few items, and will remember them when I get around to it. Again, I tend to go overkill on these things, but due to that, they generally work out the way I want.

[aarancam]

06/08/1984 on the paper. Is that his birth date? No longer a Lao "boy". I guess you have to compare his Lao passport or ID with the name and DOB on the document. The measurements look like it's a townhouse/row house/ shop house, or simply a piece of vacant land. It might be helpful if you have this translated by a service in Australia, but it's still not evidence that he would be financially motivated to return to Australia after his tourist visa expired.

There is a tendency to think that "This one is special. He's not like all the other money boys that people on this forum have met". Wisdom doesn't necessarily come with age, but we can relate our experiences and indicate just how trustworthy this person appears to us. I hope you'll make the decision that is best for you.

I get that. Thank you for your thoughts. He is differeny though lol.

[aarancam]

One of the reasons that changing ownership of land takes a fairly long time (and expense) is that the new owner has to get his own new 'Chinote'. It's not simply a change of names on an original chinote. Part of the bureaucratic process in doing so also includes a completely new survey of the land in question (including a few pickup trucks, lots of equipment, half a dozen staff. Often it takes week or months for your name to get to the front of the queue. None of this is free.)
Some of these pieces of land in the country side have been owned by families for a very long time. Many do not even have a chinote: property lines get forgotten, stakes go missing, cement or iron placements get covered over or they disintegrate over time. Trust me ... we've been there!

The rules I mention regarding this process are of cause Thailand's rules, but I'd place a bit of a bet on the rules in Lao being very similar.

I get that. Thanks for your thoughts.

[aarancam]

It's the land title. In Thailand it's called a 'chinote'. Don't the name in Lao, but possibly the same, or something similar. But the Lao document looks very much like a Thailand Chinote.
The diagram in the middle is a measured facsimile of the piece of land itself including size and any main roads it's bordering on. The size of the property seems to be 30 meters long X 20 meters along the road (i.e. the ----------- lines). The little round 'O's at each corner of the surveyor's stakes are the limits of the property. A 5th 'O' at the bottom delineates another person's land.
The date 1989 up there at the top is probably the date which the original owner claimed the piece of land. The 2014 date is probably when the new owner received his chinote.

(Just asked my guy about the chinote in Lao. He speaks Lao as well, but said he didn't know ... he's always used the word "chinote" when talking about land stuff even when the discussion is in Lao.)

Can he not leave Laos without this being newly stamped?

[aarancam]

I get that. Thank you for your thoughts. He is differeny though lol.

Will Whatsapp do?

[aarancam]

One of the reasons that changing ownership of land takes a fairly long time (and expense) is that the new owner has to get his own new 'Chinote'. It's not simply a change of names on an original chinote. Part of the bureaucratic process in doing so also includes a completely new survey of the land in question (including a few pickup trucks, lots of equipment, half a dozen staff. Often it takes week or months for your name to get to the front of the queue. None of this is free.)
Some of these pieces of land in the country side have been owned by families for a very long time. Many do not even have a chinote: property lines get forgotten, stakes go missing, cement or iron placements get covered over or they disintegrate over time. Trust me ... we've been there!

The rules I mention regarding this process are of cause Thailand's rules, but I'd place a bit of a bet on the rules in Lao being very similar.

Makes it make a bit more sense. Thank you

[aarancam]

It's the land title. In Thailand it's called a 'chinote'. Don't the name in Lao, but possibly the same, or something similar. But the Lao document looks very much like a Thailand Chinote.
The diagram in the middle is a measured facsimile of the piece of land itself including size and any main roads it's bordering on. The size of the property seems to be 30 meters long X 20 meters along the road (i.e. the ----------- lines). The little round 'O's at each corner of the surveyor's stakes are the limits of the property. A 5th 'O' at the bottom delineates another person's land.
The date 1989 up there at the top is probably the date which the original owner claimed the piece of land. The 2014 date is probably when the new owner received his chinote.

(Just asked my guy about the chinote in Lao. He speaks Lao as well, but said he didn't know ... he's always used the word "chinote" when talking about land stuff even when the discussion is in Lao.)

Is there any way our men can email each other about this? I think the police are ripping him off. Maybe that's just how it is, I think he's real though. Stop laughing.

[Smiles]

Is there any way our men can email each other about this? I think the police are ripping him off. Maybe that's just how it is

Gee, you think? Of course they're ripping him off. And yep, it's just the way it is. Trust me mate, it's way bigger than you ...