Where is everyone?

[Brad the Impala]

You haven't answered this question.

Is the reason that you won't answer, that you can hardly claim, as you have, that your intention was to leave quietly, when in addition to your public announcement of your departure, you were also privately contacting multiple posters to denigrate the owner/moderators here.

You were trying to achieve the moral high ground as you flounced out weren't you?

[a447]

Oops! I forgot to reply to this part of Brad's post.

try to persuade them to leave as well by singing the praises of another forum.

You're slipping, Brad. Come on! Pay attention!

Please go to post #120 on page 12. Go to line 3 in paragraph 1.

(Phew! That's a lot of numbers. Do you think you can cope, given your proven inability to count? Send a PM to Matt and ask for help).

You see? It's all been said before! By me, no less! Singing at the top of my voice!

Lol

I've just noticed yet another post. Great! Keep it up.

So now you are accusing me of "denigrating" the owner/moderators! Again, you have used the plural, not the singular. That would be Surfcrest and Moses, right? So yet again, you have demonstrated that you can't count.

Perhaps you "should have reduced the number of people to singular." You know, like you should have reduced the number of PMS you reckon I had sent you.

Look, why don't you just quote from my PM the part where I allegedly 'denigrated' them?

Jesus, you are so stupid! Do you think I no longer have the PM in my Sent Items?

Gawd! What next? I can hardly wait for your next accusation.

Come on! Let me hear it!

[Brad the Impala]

Look, why don't you just quote from my PM the part where I allegedly 'denigrated' them?

The part? Oh I think it permeated the whole post. Can you confirm that you are happy for me to share the whole "Farewell" PM?

Although you still don't seem to be willing to say how many posters you sent it to, in your Pied Piper attempt to lead others to your promised land(aka leaving quietly!).

Perhaps you could then leave, being careful not to slam the door on the way out, isn't that how you described your departure?

[frequent]

The part? Oh I think it permeated the whole post. Can you confirm that you are happy for me to share the whole "Farewell" PM?

Although you still don't seem to be willing to say how many posters you sent it to, in your Pied Piper attempt to lead others to your promised land(aka leaving quietly!).

Perhaps you could then leave, being careful not to slam the door on the way out, isn't that how you described your departure?

And you were such pals once upon a time

[GWMinUS]

So sad to see the Forum going up in Flames.
Just like the old days when each poster had to reply with more and more derisive comments.
We need to go back to "Flame-On" and "Flame-Off" in the subject line of a post...
I do not post often because I seldom get to Thailand any longer. But I do still enjoy reading about things there and the exploits of you guys who do visit. A447's reports will be missed.
Enough said!!

[a447]

Now, back to Brad.

Oh I think it permeated the whole post.

So you THINK it PERMEATED.

That's your reply for my request for specific proof of your accusation? You mean, that's it?

Brad, you are priceless.

You still have no concept of what a Private Message is. It's exactly that - nothing more, nothing less. It's private. There's a principle here. It would be nice to maintain it.

Unfortunately, some people are unprincipled.

But I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll quote from my PM and you can say if my quotes are accurate. That way we can see who is lying whilst going someway to protect the integrity of the concept of Private Messages. So from my PM, whose actual content added up to around 8 complete lines :

Denigrating the owner/ moderators

I've had a run in with Surfcrest

Surfcrest supported Kommie and let his post remain

Singing the Praises of another forum and persuading others to leave

Gaythailand has had a new lease on life since a dramatic increase of new members. It has really taken off.

No mention of Moses, if that's the other person you say I "denigrated."

No begging, asking, suggesting, etc others to leave.

And wow, that is some "praise of another forum!" That will have members rushing for the door! Lol

So, you lied, yet again!

Nothing to see here. Move on. It's all been said before by me in the open forum.

But I loved your party analogy. Do you mind if I borrow it?

I'm about to go to a party across the road (one of the house rules was 'No pissing on the food'. I reported to the host that someone was doing that but he didn't do anything about it) and am talking to a bunch of guys who have just been kicked out by the host. Apparently, they have been pretending to be someone else and the host got upset. Actually, I don't blame him.

Mmm. What's that foul stench? Oh, it's the guy who just pushed past me and went back to the party. He looks like he's on a mission. He's having a chat with the host, who is looking a bit pale.

Hang on! Isn't that the same guy who was just caught trying to burn the house down? Good Lord, that's the second time tonight! Lucky for the host that he was stopped in time.

He's holding what appears to be a can of petrol and a lighter. Don't tell me he's threatening to do it again!

WTF? He's even threatening to alert the newspapers!

That guy is dangerous. I'd be extra careful if I were the host. I certainly wouldn't do anything to antagonise him.

It could mean the end of the parties.

Now to Surfcrest. (This is getting exhausting!)

I have already posted the list of false accusations you made against me. How many times do i need to post them? Both my PMs have been posted here and both show you lied about their contents. All you csn do is try to save face by attemoting to put your own spin on them and read into them things that do not exist; i.e. you are reduced to interpreting them.

You'd make a great politician, Surfcrest!

[fountainhall]

May I make a suggestion.

Let's just agree that whereas PMs are supposed to be just that, it will never be so. Like it or not, mankind is a sociable animal. We talk to each other. We are not bound by the official secrets act (at least most if us aren't - I was advised on this Board by Jellybean who knows about these things some months ago that having signed the aforesaid UK act at the age of 24, it still applies even though I quit the job 16 months later!! - but then that refers only to Her Majesty's secrets and those of her government). In the course of general conversation, the more so in our cups, it is not unusual for us to let slip what perhaps should not be said. So the content of PMs may have a habit of getting out.

Not quite the same as being posted on a thread for all to see, I grant you. But then the whisper campaign starts. "You mean you haven't heard about ____?" The end result is that the content of PMs can filter through. When it then becomes an open "I said . . ." "Oh no you didn't, I said . . ." it then becomes somewhat ridiculous to talk about privacy, the more so if it gets so detailed most other posters haven't a clue what is being said of whom to whom and by whom!

And as if that were not enough, none of us have perfect memories and in the heat of the moment can misinterpret part of what is being written.

The point of all this is a respectful suggestion to a447 with whom I share part of a background in common to quit the badgering of Surfcrest. I hope you don't depart. Others post on 2 or 3 Boards. Surfcrest rescued this Board when it seemed extinction was a near certainty. He is a busy businessman with, I expect, not enough time to moderate and put up with all the issues members throw at him.

Thanks to Moses taking a share in the site, we now have a much better-looking site and a constant link to all the gorgeous guides on his Siam Roads. But most of us are well aware that Moses' native language is not English - and I'm sure he'll agree that many of the subtleties of English are lost on him. So in the absence of moderators, we have to accept that it is our job as members to try and resolve issues. Should we have a moderator? I think so, but I am aware that most almost certainly don't. Remember gaythailand before Michael sold it when the heavy hands of gaybutton and z909 along with the much more liberal Michael ruled the roost?

Besides, who on earth would take on the job of moderator here? It would be a ghastly and time-consuming task that would no doubt satisfy very few. I've been in a few ding-dongs in my time and they are rarely satisfying. Could we perhaps now agree that this thread quickly dies without winners and losers - and that in future none of us relies on PMs as being as confidential as perhaps we feel they should be.

Oh, and by the way, anyone vote for MFAS as moderator?????

[Manforallseasons]

Oh, and by the way, anyone vote for MFAS as moderator?????

Definatley a thankless job though I would not tolerate Whiners.....and would limit posts to no more than 3 paragraphs! If it can't be said in 3 paragraphs its not worth saying let alone reading.

[a447]

I tend to disagree with you on the importance of privacy - it should be maintained at all costs. That's why PM function exists, not only here but on chat sites in general.

Apart from that, I agree with all your other points.

After my OP, I thought that was it. But as a consequence of another post in the thread my two PM'S were posted here. From then on, I had nothing more to add. Everything was in the PM'S.

Unfortunately, Brad decided to get involved. Sure, I could have ignored him, especially as my PM to him didn't contain anything I hadn't already posted on the forum.

But you know me. If challenged, I will defend myself. If someone asks me a question, they will always get an answer. I won't let anyone tell lies about me. I expect them to produce some strong evidence.

Evidence can only be used to verify the truth; it can't be used to verify lies.

You know my background, fountainhall. You would be aware more than anyone else how much of a stranger I would have been in my life to aggressive, negative and mindless nastiness. I have had to learn late in life how to defend myself. And defend myself I will.

I think Surfcrest and I have said what we wanted to. We have made our points. If Surfcrest has nothing more to add here, I will take your advice and leave it at that.

Thanks for taking the time to write that post.

Oh, and by the way, anyone vote for MFAS as moderator?????

No, but I'm sure many would vote for you.

[cdnmatt]

So now you're going to try to claim the moral high ground, when you're the one who caused this mess due to your lies, scaring off god knows how many new members? I hope nobody takes you seriously.