Is it the beginning of the end?

[garypattaya]

A qoute from the now closing Nicky's Newsletter .

Nickys has decided to end.

Is it the beginning of the end for Pattaya's Gay SCene?

Most nights in Sunee are now lower than low and without the expats in most cases the bars would be running at a loss( if they arent already)

Colonial has closed,and several other bars.Bondi etc.

cast your mind back 10 years and the Gay scene it has gone downhill I guess.

I wonder even how long our Gay forum wil Last?

is it the beginning of the end?

Whats happening to cause this?

On another note I notice new Bars opening in Jomtien????
Is there enough Gay customers to sustain their operation?

Whilst other factors maybe contributing to not opening new bars in Sunee eg, 1 year maximum lease, you have to admit its not the Sunee Plaza we knew 10 years ago.

I think once Bars such as the Corner Bar went it started to go even further downhill.

Of course a lot of the older bar owners have either left or passed awaywhich turns off visitors that used to like to socialise.
Why would a 60yo farang that has visited Pattaya for many years every year bother to visit if the bars he's frequented no longer rxist.

Many on this forum admit they havent visited in a long time, some in a few years !

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[latintopxxx]

I visit on a regular basis, have done so for the last 10 years or so, used to concentrate mostly on BKK with the occasional foray into Pattaya. Do agree that the bar/gogo bar scene has quietened down but can only put this down to the rise of apps like grindr/gayromeo and greedy bar owners & gogo boys and annoying mamasans; and the fact that the great entertainment is gone...where all all the fantastic erotic in your face shows??When I walk into a host/gogo bar I want to be treated like a paying guest and not lied to and annoyed constantly.

[garypattaya]

What about the Farangs that used to be regulars every year to Thailand,why did they stop going?
Or more to the point those who used to go yearly but now go every few yeRs, is it financial reasons or it just doessnt float your boat to go to Pattaya as much anymore.

As I said previously, theres guys on this Forum who used to go to Pattaya at least 3 times a year ,most at least yearly,but looking at these guys now some havent been for a few years , some only go every 2 years or so and are not in a rush to go back like they were previously.
I remember once regular poster "Bing" going every year only to to read recently that he hadnt been for 2 years but was planning on going back.

"Doug" was another who hadnt been for a few years.
Maybe Pattaya got boring for people?

Maybe the once Regular Farangs are using Grindr in their own Countries?

Who remembered the days of getting off in Farangland after a holiday in Thailand and rushing to book the next flight ???
Who remembers thinking everyday about the next visit and counting down the days?
Who remembers the busy gay forums we had 10plus years ago ?
WHo remembers posts after post of trip reports and Farangs who cannot wait to get back to Pattaya !!



Whats happened ?

[MiniMee]

Many on this forum admit they havent visited in a long time, some in a few years !

There's even one member who hasn't visited for many years, but won't admit it!

[Marsilius]

...As I said previously, theres guys on this Forum who used to go to Pattaya at least 3 times a year ,most at least yearly,but looking at these guys now some havent been for a few years , some only go every 2 years or so and are not in a rush to go back like they were previously....

Who remembered the days of getting off in Farangland after a holiday in Thailand and rushing to book the next flight ???
Who remembers thinking everyday about the next visit and counting down the days?
Who remembers the busy gay forums we had 10plus years ago ?
WHo remembers posts after post of trip reports and Farangs who cannot wait to get back to Pattaya !!

The first paragraph describes me. Three - or at least two - trips annually between first visit in 1993 and 2013. Since then, just one.

I also answer "yes" to every question posed thereafter.

In a nutshell, I've given up my regular visits because Pattaya has, I think, become a victim of its own success. A few points come to mind, all pretty much interlinked:

- too many people in town (and, what precipitated my decision to back off from 2013 onwards, specifically too many rude and aggressive Russians) - the city's infrastructure can't cope
- Pattaya becoming too expensive in all respects (that greater demand from visitors not matched by greater supply - hence prices going up)
- Greater cynicism in Thai (and farang-run) businesses many of which quite blatantly rip off customers and have little/no appreciation of even the basics of customer service

During my most recent visit, I found that, although the Russians may have been replaced by the (not aggressive) Chinese, nothing else seems to be getting better. I suspect that, in my case, Pattaya will remain a place for occasional visits - though as much for old time's sake as for anything else.

[garypattaya]

Thankyou for your honesty Marsilus.
I know others on here also fit into the same category and have cut their trips down.
It would be good to hear from others who were once "Pattaya Centric" and now have lost their once "mojo".
I was surprised to read on another forum "Bing" a once thrice a year Pattaya visitor of yesteryear hadnt been to Thailand in over 3 years !

But I know theres a lot of you who were one Pattaya Centric and counted those days down to visiting , but havent been here in a while.

I suppose other factors can come into guys losing interest , for example did the GFC have anything to do with the downfall?
Did other places privide better boys and cheaper costs eg ,Phillipines , Cuba ?

Has it become too expensive for you to visit here ? Plane fare, Hotel , drinks etc

Did you stop visiting or cut your trips down because people you knew wernt there anymore , eg. Farangs or Bar owners passed away
Did you become bored with the place and dont see the excitement anymore from yesteryear?

[arsenal]

Well a lot of them are probably dead. All that sex and sun sent them off to the great go go bar in the sky, hopefully with a big smile on their faces. . It's considerably more expensive now in relative terms than it was. My trips there have never been more frequent and never been more fun so i am definitely in the counting down the days category.

[catawampuscat]

Most blame the internet sites like gayromeo, the weak world economy and aging farangs.
While much of the scene is gone, there's plenty left in Pattaya and it's still great.

[garypattaya]

I got talking to 77yo Guy from the UK recently and I asked him whats changed, why doesnt he come to Pattaya as much as he used to.
Here is the interview with 77yo Jock from the UK who describes himself as a "boylover".

Q/How long have you been visting Pattaya?

Well over 25 years now...Before I retired in 2006 I was coming and going up to 3 times a year.

Q/
Has your visits dropped off and if so why?

Oh yes ... I go about every 2-3 years now and have done so since about the last 6 years but even this year in whi h im due a visit its still a bit iffy im afraid...I have friends going to Spain so may go there this year instead.
My visits dropped off due to the "commercialisation" of the gay scene.
Years ago boys didnt have smartphones and there were none of these Grinder type apps.
Boys were hungry and went out of their way to welcome you hand and foot.
Boys were eager and keen to meet older guys and be in a Daddy son relationship.
They had respect in those days for older farangs, not so anymore.

Recently at the urging of my friends to change and be more modern I used the Grindr App ( had to ask for help lol) to order a boy to my room...he later called me on the phone asking me where he can park his new sports car to meet me !!! I dont enjoy paying a prostitute for a quick wham bam thankyou maam set up we have today snd even expect to provide him with parking !!

Whilst I know the boys of 20 years ago were prostitutes they certainly didnt act like the boys of today who time their sessions and short time is 30 minutes Its all quick money and something I dont enjoy nor my friends who used to visit.
Years ago we used to take boys out to eat and they were happy for the food, nowadays you would receive a bill for their time if you did that.

More of the interview later

[garypattaya]

Continue on interview with Jock 77yo from the UK


Q/ many older guys say that going to Pattaya is the only way to get sex at your age?

A/ maybe many years ago... But not so anymore , here in Wales we have a Gay Sauna where I have been lucky several times and am a regular on Pensioner days lol.

I also am usung a Smartphone now and downloaded quite a few Gay meeting apps.
I get lucky occassionaly.

Q/ You also rent out your extra bedrooms you mentioned before ?

A/ Yes .. Find many gay backpacker types on Craiglist , some even straight willing to trade a bedroom for making an older guy happy.
I have 2 extra bedrooms not being used so a quivk look or an advert on Craiglist, Silverdaddies etc can benefit me at my age ! My fantasy was brown skinned Asian boys but over the years of not going to Pattaya I have had young guys from Germany , Columbia, Spain, France , who have traded me for a room and accomodation.
I cant fault any of them really.
Part of the thrill is hunting these young guys down, sending them an email asking them if they want to trade, especially if they're straight and broke

Q/ But one can argue day having sex with a straight 21yo Blonde German backpacker is not the same as a young brown smoith skinned Thai boy !

A/ No your right and at first I thought I wouldnt be interested but my preferences have changed over the last few yesrs.
Im still a boylover even though we are stigmatised and belittled in Thailand but now we have to stick to the legal age of 18yo in Thailand.... Its crazy everyone scared and checking ID's , but here in the UK its 16yo without any gifts or benefits exchanged !!!

More interview soon