The perfect off.

[arsenal]

So many times I read about offs not living up to expectations. Here is a simple plan to ensure success.
1) Tell the boy what you are hoping for before you off him. Make it clear what you want.
2) If he says he doesn't............then don't pressure him either in the bar or the room.
3) Tell him how much you will tip him.
4) Unless you've stipulated he must come (see 1) then don't demand it and don't insult him if he doesn't. (I know for a fact many do.)
5) Do invite him to have a drink from the mini bar. He is your guest. (My rule is NO alcohol, not even beer if they're on a motorbike.)
6) Pay him nicely. Thank him for his time and assuming you've enjoyed your time with him tell him.
7) Give him a nice kiss goodbye, even if you drop him of right outside his bar. Gay or straight assuming you've followed the above rules he won't mind a bit.
8) Next time you go into the bar, if you don't off him again then give him 20/40 baht. It's nothing to you and shows you thought he was a good off. It also buys him dinner.

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[latintopxxx]

...why thats exactly how I operate...now if only the damn stoopid MB would understand that when they say yes to my question " you to everything??"....that I mean everything!!!

[arsenal]

Everything is a very loose term Latinpox. Have your requirements translated into Thai and get them to sign it before you of them. I don't know what the Thai is for 'I want you to act like a dog while I fuck you senceless" but I'm sure you can find out. My post above was meant for normal people and specifically excludes psychos, deviants and you.

[fountainhall]

So many times I read about offs not living up to expectations. Here is a simple plan to ensure success.
1) Tell the boy what you are hoping for before you off him. Make it clear what you want.
2) If he says he doesn't............then don't pressure him either in the bar or the room.

Your recipe certainly works most of the time. But I have sometimes experienced offs who have said they are happy to do what I asked. Then when we get down to it they say they can't. It has never really concerned me as I will never insist on it and I'm almost always still able to have a good time. And even in those few cases I do give them a little extra tip when I next see them. It happened some years ago with a boy from Classic who I suspect was new to the game. A year or so later he turned up in one of those Private Boy Movies being pounded ceaselessly!

But I have rarely agreed a specific tip for services in advance. I know roughly what the going rates are and will always tip a bit above. What really annoys me is the handful of occasions when I have given a good tip and the boy then asks for another Bt. 500 or more. That just takes some of the enjoyment out of the evening. I guess it's as good a reason as any for an agreement in advance.

[AsDaRa]

I know roughly what the going rates are and will always tip a bit above.

Some Farang are like you, they don't talk about the tip beforehand, the boy doesn't mention it also, and the Farang thinks then: "lucky me, this Thai boy wants me for free".

You have the decency to pay the boy. Some Farang apparently truly think the boy wanted sex for free with them. I read often topics in these forums about a Farang who writes how he scored a boy for free. In most of these cases I am inclined to think it was really a scenario you described. The boy expected money, but didn't talk about it. Maybe because of fear for the prostitution law? Maybe because he is shy to bring it up?

Some Farang profit from it. Or they do pay, but far less than the boy expected. I know a boy who spend 3 days with a Farang in south Thailand (Farang paid for plane ticket) and after the 3 days he got 3000 baht in cash. He was disappointed. But that is the risk if you not talk about money beforehand. Some Farang profit from it and for me it is a form of abuse.

[justaguy]

Some Farang are like you, they don't talk about the tip beforehand, the boy doesn't mention it also, and the Farang thinks then: "lucky me, this Thai boy wants me for free".

You have the decency to pay the boy. Some Farang apparently truly think the boy wanted sex for free with them. I read often topics in these forums about a Farang who writes how he scored a boy for free. In most of these cases I am inclined to think it was really a scenario you described. The boy expected money, but didn't talk about it. Maybe because of fear for the prostitution law? Maybe because he is shy to bring it up?

Some Farang profit from it. Or they do pay, but far less than the boy expected. I know a boy who spend 3 days with a Farang in south Thailand (Farang paid for plane ticket) and after the 3 days he got 3000 baht in cash. He was disappointed. But that is the risk if you not talk about money beforehand. Some Farang profit from it and for me it is a form of abuse.

Interesting to say the least. I would assume if you off a boy from one of those bars on Twilight, payment is required. Now if you hook up with a guy from say a normal bar, that payment suddenly becomes not so natural. I for one would never, and I repeat never go with someone who expects payment. I wasn't looking for a prostitute, so why would someone suddenly believe I would pay for a quick fuck ?

I have never paid for sex in Thailand, having said that, I only ever had sex with about three persons (maybe four).

[francois]

. Now if you hook up with a guy from say a normal bar, that payment suddenly becomes not so natural.
I have never paid for sex in Thailand, having said that, I only ever had sex with about three persons (maybe four).

Can you define "normal bar"? Not sure just what that means, at least, here in Thailand. Beer bars/host bars are pay for play same as go-go bars. I suppose in discos there are opportunities for free sex if one is "attractive".

[cdnmatt]

Can you define "normal bar"?

99.5% of the bars in Thailand outside of Pattaya?

You know, a bar. A place where for example, after work you head to with a few of your co-workers to enjoy a few beers or glasses of wine, and unwind from the day.

[justaguy]

Can you define "normal bar"? Not sure just what that means, at least, here in Thailand. Beer bars/host bars are pay for play same as go-go bars. I suppose in discos there are opportunities for free sex if one is "attractive".

Normal bars as in Telephone, Sake, Welcome just to name a few. And one doesn't necessarily have to be attractive either.

Above bars and clubs are in Bangkok, I don't know the gay scene in Pattaya.

[AsDaRa]

Interesting to say the least. I would assume if you off a boy from one of those bars on Twilight, payment is required.

Yes, but example I gave was not a bar hook up, but dating app. In bar it is almost impossible to get away without paying.
Many Farang these days use dating apps and in some cases the tip is not discussed at all. The boy just hopes for the best. Some Farang think however they have a free boy.