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Thread: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    Quote Originally Posted by lego
    . . . For my dealings with casual encounters and fuck buddies, I'm renting a small serviced apartment in another area . . .
    Crikey lego! Your arrangements sound all very cloak and dagger and worthy of a plotline in a Jason Bourne movie. Lol!

    Having travelled all the way out here for the winter, IтАЩm not about to rent out another place for my sexual shenanigans. I donтАЩt know any of the neighbours in my condo. We have 34 floors in my apartment building and only occasionally do I pass someone on my floor or in the lifts. IтАЩve always brought guys from the go-go bars back to my condo. And at my time of life and given that I am operating on extra time, I am well past caring what my neighbours think of my sexual activities. The bellboys, some of whom are very cute, certainly know about my sexual preferences. They have all been perfectly polite and helpful to me. But again, I donтАЩt give a stuff if they approve or not. Two new bellboys have been employed since I was last here in April and one of them helped me up with my groceries on Sunday. Yes, I liked him, thought he was really cute, but I would never do or say anything that could be the cause of a complaint.

    I certainly donтАЩt flaunt my gayness, never hold hands with any of the boys when approaching the condo or show any signs of affection in public. So in that sense, I do adhere to what I believe is considered acceptable behaviour. And, I behaved exactly the same way back in the UK in the days when I could pick up guys. (Lol!)

    Guys that I meet on dating sites, some of whom I might see on a regular basis, I will usually meet somewhere neutral on our first date before bringing them back. In the early days, I did arrange to meet them at my condo, or more strictly, at the nearest Sky-train station, but quickly decided that wasnтАЩt such a good idea.

    We have 4 or 5 security guards and 2 or 3 bellboys on duty at any one time. And to access the various levels a security card is required to operate the lifts. So, I have no concerns about my security. And in the 7-8 years IтАЩve owned a condo in Bangkok IтАЩve never had any problems.

    In the last year or two, I was seeing a special guy on a regular basis. He didnтАЩt have a job when we first met and I supported him until he found suitable employment. But then I saw him only 1 day a week тАУ his day off. It was at that time I started visiting a lot of massage parlours, once or sometimes twice a week. It was easier and cheaper than bringing back a go-go boy to my condo with all the attendant trouble with laundry issues. Perhaps then lego, massage parlours played the same role for me as your secondary small serviced apartment.

    Looking back to when I owned a house in Hua Hin, I always brought bar boys back to my house and never thought twice about it. Most stayed overnight, for those who couldnтАЩt stay overnight, I drove them back into town and to their room. There were times when groups of young lads, friends of a 'boy' I was seeing, visited and played around by the pool, having drinks, listening to music and generally enjoying themselves. Again no problems.

    There were 12 houses in our soi and all were owned by fa-r├аng or fa-r├аng and their Thai wives. Not once did anyone comment on my personal life. I acted as treasurer on our homeowners association and played my part in soi life without any problem. But, if I lived in similar circumstances to you cdnmatt, with mainly Thai neighbours and given your past unfavourable experience, I think I might probably make similar arrangements to yours when seeing the occasional gik. After all, I wouldnтАЩt want the villagers turning up one night like some crazed lynch mob with burning torches as in those shockingly bad Hammer horror movies! (Only joking!)
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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybean
    The bellboys, some of whom are very cute, certainly know about my sexual preferences. They have all been perfectly polite and helpful to me. But again, I donтАЩt give a stuff if they approve or not. Two new bellboys have been employed since I was last here in April and one of them helped me up with my groceries on Sunday. Yes, I liked him, thought he was really cute, but I would never do or say anything that could be the cause of a complaint.
    Getting off with a cute bellboy is on my to do list (=fantasy), however you're right to be cautious.

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    I got off with a cute bellboy in Tunisia. He brought his friend, a waiter, for company. They came in through the hotel room door and left by the window, picking up their red fezes on the way. The room was on the ground floor fortunately.

    None of the above are euphemisms, although perhaps they should be.

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    First, this reinforces all the many reasons why..... (1) I don't ever want to get my own dogs, cats, or any other pets. I'll visit yours. And.... (2) I don't ever want to live in anything other than a very safe high security high-rise condo or apartment building.

    Meanwhile, there is a decent "short time hotel" within 2 minutes walk from my condo. A room costs 300 baht for 3 hours. I have taken guys there. I even rented a room there by the month for one month. I thought I'd be taking guys there often. But eventually I figured out that there's absolutely no reason not to bring guys back to my own condo. It's much more comfortable, and much more convenient, and free. All I do is let my bf know that I'll be bringing a guy home. He knows that he's always welcome to join in, just watch, go in the other room, or go out.... depending on his mood.

    I make no secret that I have a bf.... so most guys don't even entertain dreams of trying to move in. I also off guys from one of the reputable gogo bars the vast majority of the time.... so they're professionals, and not likely to be the type to cause trouble.

    If I ever were to pick up a guy from the street or something... or anything made me wary of his character.... and I decided to meet him anyway.... I'd probably take him to the short time hotel.... for 300 baht. A small price to pay for added piece of mind.

    A few thoughts on some of your comments...

    (1) I have balls. I'm not a cowering little girl. I'm perfectly capable of politely asking someone to leave. "It's time to go now. I have to get up early." And if that doesn't immediately work, I can easily *tell* him to go now. And if that doesn't work, I wouldn't hesitate to call the building security to escort him out. Since when is *he* in charge of *me* and *my* home and life!?!? The thought of that is insane and pathetic. Grow a pair already! You really need to love and respect *yourself* first.... before you can love and respect some stranger.

    (2) Ask me if I care what the neighbors think? That concept is even more insane. Keeping up appearances for "Thai Society"!? Really? First of all, nobody patronizes houses of prostitution more than Thai Society does. They have their own places. They don't need to visit Soi Twilight or Boyztown.... tho sometimes they do. Give me a break. It's not 1950 any more. Or 1850....

    (3) Worrying about offending a guy by taking him to a hotel instead of your home!? Are you out of your mind!? A 300 baht short time room is probably 10 times better than where he lives his entire life. Also, he couldn't care less how you live ( except, the nicer your home, the more money he can hope/plan to get out of you! ). In fact, if he thinks you're poor, he won't bother you by begging you for money as much.

    If you can't stand up for yourself, and your own home and privacy.... and you can't tell a "service provider" ( sex boy toy ) exactly what you want, and what you expect..... and be prepared to defend it.... then you should just stay home and meet nobody. Curl up with the tv remote control and a hot pizza and a cold beer.

    Or....

    Buy a large secure safe. Better yet, a safe box at the bank. Rent a condo in a highly secure building with cameras everywhere and keycards needed everywhere. Never live in a freestanding house under any circumstances ( unless you just rent one for a weekend). Take guys you don't trust to a short time hotel. Fuck what the guy thinks of your room. He's only there for sex, for a few hours. Screw what he thinks! If your consciousness can't reconcile "offending him", give him a bit more money. He'll instantly forget everything and "love" you more.

    If you've chosen your "babies" ( pets ) over having a life..... live with it. If you donтАЩt want to live with it any more, be a man and change your life. Find a friend with a house and dogs. Let him adopt your "babies" and visit them often. ( PS - They're not actually babies. They shouldn't cost you your life. )

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    Well, that was quite the lecture.

    I'm actually glad I don't let them come back here. There's one guy I see fairly regularly, and just seen him last night. He's obviously developed some feelings for me, and that's when things can turn really badly really quickly. You get someone like that obsessed with you, and it's a little more complicated than just politely asking them to leave, so I'm glad we've only ever went to the hotel.

    As for the other points, it's called common decency and respect.

    I think I'll have to do what lego does, and grab a serviced apartment. So we can hang out, cook a meal together, and actually enjoy each other's company instead of just, "ok, take your pants off".

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    It sounds like you're looking for a boyfriend ultimately.

    So, no matter how you deal with it, it will *always* come down to the same point...... That point where YOU have to decide.... "Do I trust him enough to let him into my life for real?"

    Nobody can tell you when, or with whom, that answer will be a, "Yes".

    My only other advice is: Don't cower to what HE wants. Be sure of what YOU want. And don't be shy about insisting on it.

    It's *extremely* UNattractive to see someone *always* bending over backwards to please the other person in a relationship. ( in a non-commercial relationship )

    It's nice once in a while. But if it's always like that, it displays extreme insecurity and is a sure indicator that that person does not love *himself* .....which is a huge turnoff.
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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdnmatt
    I think I'll have to do what lego does, and grab a serviced apartment.
    We are / you are (Matt) of course all working under the false apprehension that if a Thai boy wanted to find you / your home in Khon Kean that he couldn't do that, I'd say if he was really motivated I'd give him two days tops to crack that one in tracking you down by using the Thai jungle drums system that enables the buggers to know more about us than we'll EVER know about them !

    He'd just have to put out the feelers for "the farang who works about something to do with computers, has his own big house here place and has noisy dogs" - there, bingo, that would be enough I think for him to "bust you" and your location - altough I guess after your last BF you know way to much about how that all works anyway unfortuantely it seems from what you've already told us !

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    Possible, but unlikely. I'm pretty careful. Plus, I know everyone in the area, and they all know me, so I highly doubt anyone around would squeal on me to some random gay dude who shows up in the area. He would be viewed as the outsider, not me.

    But yeah, you're right, it's a very communal society. I can barely take a shit without other people knowing about it. I remember that was probably the biggest thing I had to get used to upon living here. Privacy in Thailand is out the window. Once you get used to it though, you realize it's fine, and actually very beneficial to society. That's what makes it so safe and peaceful. You're not allowed to be an asshole here, because if you are, within hours everyone within a 3km radius is going to know about it.

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    bruce, no idea how old u r, but the truth and wisdom displayed in your last post is so true.

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    Re: Expats -- How do you handle long-term giks?

    Quote Originally Posted by latintopxxx
    bruce, no idea how old u r, but the truth and wisdom displayed in your last post is so true.
    I'm in Thailand on a retirement visa now... if that tells you anything....

    But I *look* about 26....
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