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    Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    This report from the BBC just received. Not sure whether to laugh or be upset

    Malaysian schoolboys sent to butch camp



    Authorities in Malaysia have sent 66 Muslim schoolboys identified by their teachers as effeminate to a special camp to receive counselling on masculine behaviour.

    The boys will undergo four days of religious and motivational classes and physical activities designed to guide them back to what has been described as the "right path in life".

    The schoolboys allegedly displayed "feminine mannerisms", although educators in the conservative state of Terengganu did not detail what they were.

    State officials say that if left "unchecked" the students could end up gay or transsexual.

    Activists say it is appalling that educators are persecuting children for expressing their personalities and identities.

    The state's education director, Razali Daud, says although homosexuals and transvestites do exist in Malaysia, the authorities want to limit their numbers.

    - BBC

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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    Quote Originally Posted by lonelywombat
    This report from the BBC just received. Not sure whether to laugh or be upset
    - BBC
    I sort of agree about not knowing whether to laugh or cry. On one hand learning to be more butch can save an obvious gay boy from terrible harassment from his fellow schoolboys, but it can also produce scars of its own and sends a definite anti-gay message. If they were just training them to "pass" and did not include any suggestion that being gay it could be benefical. Sadly, i doubt that is their motive.

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    As long as religions continue to push the false belief that people "choose" to be gay instead of born that way, you will see this kind of absurd behavior. It's in their interest to say it's a choice so they can assign "Sin" to homosexuals. If they admit it's the way god made you, they have no grounds for their bigotry.

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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Khor tose
    On one hand learning to be more butch can save an obvious gay boy from terrible harassment from his fellow schoolboys
    And it could also turn him into a sociopath, who decides it's a good idea to take a gun to school and open fire on his teachers. Or maybe turn him into a lonely emo kid who likes to take razor blades to himself all the time. Forced behavior modification therapy like this generally creates more problems than it solves, and that's especially true for sexuality.

    How about just telling the kids whoever they are is fine, and letting them know that they'll always be loved? That way seems to work quite well!

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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    My thanks to the member that sent me a link to Fridae.This is a fuller report.

    Boot camp for 66 тАШeffeminateтАЩ schoolboys in Malaysia draws outrage
    by Sylvia Tan

    Civil society groups in Malaysia have blasted the Terengganu Education Department for sending 66 schoolboys with тАШeffeminateтАЩ tendencies to a 4-day boot camp held to intervene before the boys тАЬreach the point of no returnтАЭ, meaning before they "become" gay or transgender.


    Civil society groups and Women, Family and Community Development Minister Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil have expressed their outrage following a report in MalaysiaтАЩs New Straits Times newspaper that the Terengganu Education Department has sent 66 schoolboys with тАШeffeminateтАЩ tendencies to a boot camp. The four-day camp, which started on Sunday, is said to comprise religious and motivational classes and physical activities.
    тАЬBesut boot camp for 66 sissiesтАЭ. News of the camp has since made headlines around the world.

    In a report titled тАЬBesut boot camp for 66 sissiesтАЭ, the Times on Monday quoted education department director Razali Daud as saying that the camp, which is officially called a "self-development course", is being held to intervene before the boys тАЬreach the point of no return.тАЭ

    He said the boys aged between 13 and 17 were identified by their schoolteachers in Terengganu state as students who displayed 'effeminate' mannerisms. It is not clear what 'effeminate' mannerisms mean.

    "We understand that some people end up as mak nyah (transvestite) or a homosexual, but we will do our best to limit the number," Razali was quoted as saying.

    Meanwhile, Women, Family and Community Development Minister Shahrizat Abdul Jalil has declared the camp to be illegal and called for it to be abolished in a statement released on Tuesday, reported The Malaysian Insider.

    тАЬWe believe that such тАШboot campsтАЩ must be abolished on the basis that they are harmful and do not serve the best interest of the child, and are therefore in clear violation of the Child Act 2001.тАЭ

    тАЬEvery child is entitled to protection and assistance in all circumstances without regard to distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, social origin or physical, mental or emotional disabilities or any other status,тАЭ added the minister, referring to the preamble of the Act.

    тАЬThe experience of being singled out on the basis of perceived characteristics is an extremely traumatising experience, particularly for adolescent teens.тАЭ She was quoting as saying in the New Straits Times.

    The education department has also come under fire for violating the basic tenets of the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) which Malaysia ratified in 1995. In a letter published by Malaysiakini.com on Tuesday, the Joint Action Group for Gender Equality (JAG), a coalition of seven womenтАЩs groups including Women's Aid Organisation (WAO) and Sisters in Islam (SIS), blasted the education department for тАЬperpetuating restrictive gender stereotypingтАЭ which will ultimately be тАЬdetrimental to the developmentтАЭ of the children involved.

    тАЬArticle 2 of the CRC dictates that all children should be accorded equal rights and treatment without exception, the Education Department of Besut is clearly in violation of this.

    тАЬSecondly, the role of education as entrenched in Article 29, is to nurture the personality and talents of the child and inculcate respect for human rights in preparation for responsible adulthood. However, the boys in this case have been denied and persecuted for the expression of their personalities and identities.тАЭ The letter read.

    PT Foundation, a community-based organisation that provides HIV/AIDS and sexuality education and care services, said in a statement made available to Fridae that it disagrees with the education departmentтАЩs stance that any тАШeffeminateтАЩ behaviour needs to be modified and that "if not corrected" may lead to homosexuality and transexuality.

    тАЬBy forcing them [the boys] to change is to tell them that they are not acceptable as they are. As far as I am aware, no religions force such doctrines on their followers. These teenagers may become scarred for life and it will take many years of counseling and psychotherapy to be able to accept themselves as they are.тАЭ Said Acting Executive Director & Programme Director Raymond Tai.

    The northern Malaysian state of Terengganu, which is governed by the ruling Barisan Nasional coalition after a short rule by the Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS) from 1999 until 2004, is said to socially conservative. The PAS is however said to enjoy strong support from the state of Terengganu.

    Related Links

    * Besut boot camp for 66 sissies (New Straits Times)
    * 'Effeminate' boys in Malaysia sent to 'anti-gay' camp (BBC)
    * тАШSissy boot campтАЩ violates law, says Shahrizat (New Straits Times)
    * The parenting factor behind sissies (New Straits Times)
    * PT Foundation
    * Sissy' boot camps violation of human rights (Joint Action Group)
    * No to тАШsissyтАЩ boot camp (Free Malaysia Today)
    * Press Statement by The Joint Action Group Group for Gender Equality
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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    Sissy sleepover YEA!!

    awaiting details of the showers/bunking arrangements

    certainly they will all meet lotsa new friends

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    The Malaysian Women & Children's minister has declared that sending these kids to the camp is illegal. It remains to be seen what will be done about it.
    http://www.dragoncastle.org/2011/04/...y-camp-illegal

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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    Quote Originally Posted by lonelywombat
    The state's education director, Razali Daud, says although homosexuals and transvestites do exist in Malaysia, the authorities want to limit their numbers. [My emphasis.]

    - BBC
    Of course, as the Nazis realised with their usual insight into these things, the only way to actually achieve that aim is to kill them.
    "The fruits of peace and tranquility... are the greatest goods... while those of its opposite, strife, are unbearable evils. Hence we ought to wish for peace, to seek it if we do not already have it, to conserve it once it is attained, and to repel with all our strength the strife which is opposed to it. To this end individual[s]... and in even greater degree groups and communities are obliged to help one another... from the bond or law of human society." [Marsilio dei Mainardini (c.1275-1342), Defensor Pacis]

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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    Christ... How f*cked up is this?

    Malaysia can be a real mix when it comes to the gay thing. On the ground there's a thriving gay scene and lots of lovely gay people to meet. But the government doesn't accept gays so you occasionally get f*cked up things like this happening sporadically.

    Lonely, you should include a link to the original source of the content. The original article is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13141466

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    Re: Fem schoolboys sent to butch camp

    Oh no they did it!

    And here are some exclusive pictures from the camp.

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