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Thread: How do people REALLY get HIV?

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    Yang2 wrote
    "Well, there are those who want to believe that their favourite sexual practice is safe so much that they will believe anything, but it's a shame that they should also feel the need to try to persuade others of this too."
    Also true about underage sex i feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by objective
    In regard to question 1, yes, it could be. However, even if that were the case, it does not explain why Africa has such a high Aids rate compared to other countries that also satisfy the same criteria.

    I read a few years ago an explanation that attributes it to eating (Usually, undercooked, over open fires.) bush meat. It went on to claim Africa, and bush meat, as the original source of HIV: there was an endemic of SIV among African monkeys before human infection and the virus jumped to humans: HIV.
    And they eat bush meat because it is available and it is free: the poverty angle.

    Google Monkeys & HIV and you will find more info, such as:
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... sjump.html

    Also earlier infection: children, especially Third World children; are being infected because child prostitution and child rape--especially, virgins; some as young as one-year-of age--are on the increase because many believe, are even incouraged by their shamen (Is, Shaman, the correct word?) to believe children are less likely to be infected with HIV and other STD's. This is the result of ignorance...ignorance which often stems from poverty.

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    Anal...

    Re: transmission through anal sex

    Could there be a clue here?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikelele
    I read somewhere that the mucous membranes and such membranes that are found in the anal passages and throat are designed for a certain amount of absorption of liquids into the blood stream.
    The colon is for sure designed to absorb minerals and other particles from food. Could it be that if infected semen penetrates the colon deep enough that it could be absorbed into the blood stream?

    Why may some get it this way and not others?
    Perhaps it's luck... depth of penetration? The recipients natural resistance to disease? The strength / volume of semen/ the virus? etc etc.
    I guess you see parallels in conception... why does one hetero partnership take years trying to conceive when another couple conceive the first at the first attempt. So many variables!

    Of course this doesn't explain how the 'top' may catch the virus from an infected 'bottom', unless there is some exchange of blood involved. That can happen quite easily of course if no lube is used. If condoms are not so readily available in Africa, then maybe lube isn't either. could this be another contributory factor?

    As I said in my previous post... my comments are pure speculation.
    I'm sure there must be a report on these points somewhere on the www.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IwanUK
    Re: transmission through anal sex
    I'm sure there must be a report on these points somewhere on the www.
    That's the problem. I can't find any frank discussion of it. Gay people, black people, drug users, Africans, Thais, they are all up in arms if someone tries to say something un-PC about HIV and Aids. I only find isolated anonymous posts on the Internet like this one from a sex discussion group:

    >Newsweek Oct. 31, 2005 issue - A landmark study with major implications for the
    > global AIDS epidemic, published this week by French and South African
    > researchers, seems to confirm what scientists have long suspected: that
    > circumcision cuts the risk of HIV infection dramatically, by as much as
    > 60 percent

    I don't believe for a second. Here is why:
    1. We do know a lot about HIV transmission, and this flies in the face
    of most of it. There are really only two efficient transmission methods
    that we know of: through the anal walls (very thin, easily torn,
    exposing blood vessels to virus contained in semen) and needle sharing.
    The risk to a male who is not receiving anal sex is rather miniscule. I
    could see someone studying whether circumcision may affect the ability
    to TRANSMIT HIV, but not to RECEIVE it.

    2. There is a lot a terribly conducted politically motivated AIDS
    research coming out of Africa. Some of it falls into the realm of pure
    fabrication. This is one of the things that has frustrated the
    international community, making them very reticent to become directly
    involved in the fight against AIDS there. For example, there is an AIDS
    epidemic in large parts of Africa, but sexual behavior surveys do not
    reveal any significant risk factors. Anal sex and nonheterosexual
    contact are generally found to be denied, which is a baffling finding
    to begin with (all cultures exhibit both behaviors at least to some
    degree). This is an impossible contradiction: an AIDS epidemic cannot
    be maintained through nonanal sexual contact. We also know that Brazil,
    which share many cultural practices with parts of Africa, has both a
    high rate of AIDS and one of the highest rates of anal sex in the world
    (extimated to be as high at 50% of the population, mainly used as cheap
    birth control). There is likely a systematic denial of sexual practices
    going on in the scientific community in Africa.

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