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Tell me I'm not crazy...
Tell me I'm not crazy. Here's the "official" story line.
His mother is still unable to walk, so his older sisters decided to take her to some naturalistic medicinal clinic in Bangkok. Leo decides to go to Bangkok to visit the family. At first he was going to sleep at the hospital in the waiting room, but before leaving he let me know his sister has some family with a house in Bangkok he can stay at. Ok, so far, so good.
Then he gets to Bangkok, and finds out his sister';s families' house is too small for him to stay there. Thankfully he has a gay friend who resides in Bangkok, and immediately hooks up with him, and they share a 2000 baht/night hotel together. They're only friends though, so only sleep together, and don't have sex. Remember, this friend lives in Bangkok, so has an apartment or house already, but decides to split a 2000/night hotel with Leo for some reason.
They end up getting drunk out of their minds at DJ Station, which is fine. They're all gay, but somehow magically only managed to make it to the girlie go-go bars, but didn't manage to hit the gay go-go bars. Add on to this, Leo is one of the biggest cheap charlies you'll find, so him spending 1000/night to share a hotel room is somewhat laughable.
And of course, during all this, he didn't have sex with anyone else, and didn't do anything wrong. He's just being a good son and taking care of his sick mother.
Please tell me I'm not crazy for calling him out as a liting piece of shit.
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Originally Posted by
cdnmatt
Tell me I'm not crazy. Here's the "official" story line.
His mother is still unable to walk, so his older sisters decided to take her to some naturalistic medicinal clinic in Bangkok. Leo decides to go to Bangkok to visit the family. At first he was going to sleep at the hospital in the waiting room, but before leaving he let me know his sister has some family with a house in Bangkok he can stay at. Ok, so far, so good.
Then he gets to Bangkok, and finds out his sister';s families' house is too small for him to stay there. Thankfully he has a gay friend who resides in Bangkok, and immediately hooks up with him, and they share a 2000 baht/night hotel together. They're only friends though, so only sleep together, and don't have sex. Remember, this friend lives in Bangkok, so has an apartment or house already, but decides to split a 2000/night hotel with Leo for some reason.
They end up getting drunk out of their minds at DJ Station, which is fine. They're all gay, but somehow magically only managed to make it to the girlie go-go bars, but didn't manage to hit the gay go-go bars. Add on to this, Leo is one of the biggest cheap charlies you'll find, so him spending 1000/night to share a hotel room is somewhat laughable.
And of course, during all this, he didn't have sex with anyone else, and didn't do anything wrong. He's just being a good son and taking care of his sick mother.
Please tell me I'm not crazy for calling him out as a liting piece of shit.
Oh.Matt you are inviting people to make fun of you. As you describe the situation..He is a lying little shit.
Have fun with your life adventures.
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Yeah, I know, this one REALLY sucks. I gave him a pass about two months ago, due to the fact his mother was on her death bed and he was acting quite erractic at the time, and I was quite worried about him. He got a pass from me that time, but this time I just can't do it.
Fuck!
I think he thinks I'm not strong enough to kick him out of my life due to being blind. He guessed wrong.
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cdnmatt
Yeah, I know, this one REALLY sucks. I gave him a pass about two months ago, due to the fact his mother was on her death bed and he was acting quite erractic at the time, and I was quite worried about him. He got a pass from me that time, but this time I just can't do it.
Fuck!
I think he thinks I'm not strong enough to kick him out of my life due to being blind. He guessed wrong.
Oh..Matt.. I watch a British TV soap called Emmerdale. Your life adventures..as you describe them are better than Emmerdale. You are of a gay soap opera.
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I don't think the story is particularly bizarre or unusual or worthy of a soap opera (Emmerdale is a pile of horse manure by the way) - all it boils down to is a younger guy going out on the randan with his mates on his older benefactor's money and making up some half-arsed story in a bid to explain the expenditure.
Whether in the course of the evening he screwed some girl from a girlie bar is not that important IMHO - if instead he'd screwed some go-go boy it might have been.
The more important matter is that a pattern of lying is emerging and Matt has to decide whether to accept that (knowing it will only continue and that he will increasingly start to suspect Leo and resent his actions) or whether twice (that Matt knows of) is enough and he tells him to sling his hook.
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I think you're spot on SG.
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scottish-guy
I don't think the story is particularly bizarre or unusual or worthy of a soap opera (Emmerdale is a pile of horse manure by the way) - all it boils down to is a younger guy going out on the randan with his mates on his older benefactor's money and making up some half-arsed story in a bid to explain the expenditure.
Whether in the course of the evening he screwed some girl from a girlie bar is not that important IMHO - if instead he'd screwed some go-go boy it might have been.
The more important matter is that a pattern of lying is emerging and Matt has to decide whether to accept that (knowing it will only continue and that he will increasingly start to suspect Leo and resent his actions) or whether twice (that Matt knows of) is enough and he tells him to sling his hook.
I enjoy the soaps for the over dramatized human interactions. They are in general piles of horse manure.
Matt's descriptions of his life fit into the soap opera patterns - a focus on human interactions..human conflict centered around trust and intimacy. Throw in an ailing relative etc.. His stories have elements of most soap operas.
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Sorry to tell you matt, but you are crazy!
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kittyboy
...His stories have elements of most soap operas.
More like Queer as Folk
:D
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Oh, he's probably embellishing the story somewhat.
Never mind that. If the sex is good, the company is good & you're limiting financial contributions & retaining your clarity of thought (ie non emotional), just let it go & be nice to him.
Monogamy is overrated.
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scottish-guy
More like Queer as Folk
:D
Yes..an updated Queer as Folk. Disabled Matt, the younger boyfriend, an interracial relationship, a foreign setting, an international location, multi-cultural interaction rife with cultural and linguistic mix ups. Throw in Matt has money which equals power but a dependent relationship on a suspect lover, throw in screwed up relatives who may or may not offload their children on Matt..etc...Oh..the drama.
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No, that's the exact story I've been given so far. He's still in Bangkok at the moment.
I'm livid. Really, how fucken stupid do you think I am to believe the story I posted in the OP? I've been living with him for 18 months, we've been through loads together, and he knows full well I'm far more intelligent than him, so uncertain as to why he'd try a story like this on me.
Whatever, up to him. I'll go bury myself in work.
For fuck sakes, I'm blind, not stupid.
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cdnmatt
For fuck sakes, I'm blind, not stupid.
An SGT poll right there
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I can't actually see what the problem is Matt?
As SG says, Leo goes to BKK, he then goes on the piss, has a great time in DJ station and then crashes in an overpriced (for him) hotel
Where are the lies? What has he done to earn your wrath?
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colmx
I can't actually see what the problem is Matt?
As SG says, Leo goes to BKK, he then goes on the piss, has a great time in DJ station and then crashes in an overpriced (for him) hotel
Where are the lies? What has he done to earn your wrath?
No problem with him going to DJ Station and getting drunk with friends. I keep telling him I want him to go do things like that.
His story is his older sister has some family in Bangkok, he had the address of their house before he left, and was going to stay there. Gosh darnit, the house was just too small though.
Thankfully, he has a gay friend who lives in Bangkok, and that friend apparently hopped up from a phone call, and met Leo, and they shared a 2000 baht/night hotel together for a few days. He didn't stay at the friend's room / house, but they decided to get a hotel together instead. They're friends, so no sex was had, and they only slept together in the same room.
How plausible does that sound to you?
He had two rules with me. Don't cheat on me, and don't lie to me.
Now he just fucked everything. Our move to Vientiane, the Basi ceremony, taking those kids in, going to visit Canada, everything out the window.
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Oh, and I guess I should mention, he's never been to Bangkok before in his life. This is his first time there. He magically has some gay friends there somehow though.
Of course, just friends who share the cost of a 2000/night hotel together.
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cdnmatt
Gosh darnit, the house was just too small though.
Thankfully, he has a gay friend who lives in Bangkok and they shared a 2000 baht/night hotel together for a few days. He didn't stay at the friend's room / house, but they decided to get a hotel together instead. They're friends, so no sex was had, and they only slept together in the same room.
How plausible does that sound to you?
All sounds perfectly plausible to me!
My BF has gone to visit relatives plenty of time, but when he got there realised that he was imposing on other people and has taken a room elsewhere
(as have I, e.g. when we have visited the homes of farang friends of mine)
Similarly he has often shared hotel rooms, apartments etc with gay friends, never once did I throw a hissy fit and presume that he was having some kind of nefarious affair!
Not a day goes by on FB without me seeing a Pattaya based friend staying in a hotel in BKK with their mates, similarly I don't presume they are having sex, I presume they are sharing a room and are out hitting the clubs together
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Ok, if his friend already lives in Bangkok, why didn't he just stay at at his room / house, if the sister's family house was too small? He's as cheap as they get, so no way he'd spend 2000/night on a hotel, or even go 50/50 on that.
His story isn't plausible at all. The hotel thing wasn't done on a whim, and was definitely pre-planned.
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Gosh. What's going to happen to the move to Laos, happy families with the two kids, Matt's job? This saga can run for weeks! Of course Matt doesn't have a great track record with relationships - there's the yet-to-be-divorced "husband" back in Canada, the whole Kim saga, and now Leo the Lao
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cdnmatt
no way he'd spend 2000/night on a hotel, or even go 50/50 on that.
My bet is that the 2k per day was spent on a big mad booze party, where he was the "show off" sponsor - showing his friends from home how well he had done.
All in all no harm done. Just a poor Asian guy trying to pretend that he is more than he is.... Hardly grounds for throwing him into the gutter!
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Oh, he doesn't need to try and show off. He's doing just fine in the financial department.
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cdnmatt
" ... Now he just fucked everything. Our move to Vientiane, the Basi ceremony, taking those kids in, going to visit Canada, everything out the window."
Oh come on folks. Forget the extraneous pseudo drama. A number of others (myself included) predicted exactly the above scenario would sooner or later be announced.
I'm not telling him he's not crazy, that's for sure.
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cdnmatt
Oh, he doesn't need to try and show off. He's doing just fine in the financial department.
Seems you have a lot to (still) learn about young people from poor families in SE Asia... Of course they have to try and show off... all too many times all they care about "keeping up with the jones" and attempting to gain supposed "face" by showing off
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colmx
Seems you have a lot to (still) learn about young people from poor families in SE Asia... Of course they have to try and show off... all too many times all they care about "keeping up with the jones" and attempting to gain supposed "face" by showing off
He was a novice monk for 7 years. I can promise you he's the furthest thing from someone who wants to show off.
Sure, he wants to show off to some extent, which is why he wants that Basi ceremony in his village. However, again, his mother taught him well, and he's very conservative with his money.
There is no way his story is true.
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Have you met his sick mother?
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He deserved the time off. Forget about it and be glad he had some fun.
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dab69
He deserved the time off. Forget about it and be glad he had some fun.
Time off from what? Relaxing all day, plaing his computer games, watching Youtube, chatting with his friends, eating shrimp, having about 10,000 baht in that money jar any given day to go do whatever he wants, the freedom to go out and do whatever he wants, his own bedrrom with A/C, having a loving husband spending two hours per-day in the kitchen cooking delicious meals for him, or the breakfasts in bed, the soothing massages with lotion he gets every day that he enjoys, etc.?
Time off from what, exactly? Yeah, real rough life he has.
I understand he's bored of Khon Kaen and is very anxious to get to Vientiane. So am I. That doesn't give him a right to lie to me and/or cheat on me, and vice versa.
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cdnmatt
He was a novice monk for 7 years ... There is no way his story is true.
Did he learn to lie as a novice monk maybe?
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Smiles
Oh come on folks. Forget the extraneous pseudo drama. A number of others (myself included) predicted exactly the above scenario would sooner or later be announced.
I'm not telling him he's not crazy, that's for sure.
On a point of information:
Was your prediction predicated upon (I hate when others use this phrase) your knowledge of
(a) the usual pattern of gay Thai/Farang relationships?
or
(b) the usual Plot devices that are common to all Soap-Operas?
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frequent
Did he learn to lie as a novice monk maybe?
He doesn't know how to lie. I'm a horrible liar myself, and he's even worse than me, which is why it's so easy to catch him out in a lie.
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FarangRuMak
On a point of information:
Was your prediction predicated upon (I hate when others use this phrase) your knowledge of
(a) the usual pattern of gay Thai/Farang relationships?
or
(b) the usual Plot devices that are common to all Soap-Operas?
(c) Matt
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cdnmatt
He was a novice monk for 7 years. I can promise you he's the furthest thing from someone who wants to show off.
Sure, he wants to show off to some extent, which is why he wants that Basi ceremony in his village. However, again, his mother taught him well, and he's very conservative with his money.
There is no way his story is true.
So if you've concluded his story is not true, why are we discussing it? Surely you've made a decision.
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Well, Matt, this thread seems to be running a course similar to all of your other threads. Post #1 presents a situation that attracts either criticism or advice (but never sympathy). You respond. Further comments appear. And it goes on for several pages and in none of those pages is there any indication that you accept or value or seriously consider the merits of the advice offered by people who have been through just about every scenario you could dream up, and maybe more than once. So it is really hard to see your purpose in posting if it’s not just to relieve your boredom or loneliness.
Leo? You can’t make him into an image of what you think he should be. If he wants to drink, have sex with others, tell lies -- that’s the current Leo. Accept or reject. Keep him with you for a few years and he may change into your vision of what a “husband” is supposed to be. Or not.
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You're right Bob, I'm basically just venting out of loneliness and frustration. I'm not really looking for advice per-se, because I've been through life more than enough to know how it rolls.
And you are right, it's his life, so he can lie to me, and have sex with all the people he wants, and nothing I can do to stop that. I can stop being his husband though.
Gay people suck. From now on, I'm renting love.
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cdnmatt
He doesn't know how to lie. I'm a horrible liar myself, and he's even worse than me, which is why it's so easy to catch him out in a lie.
Don't be down on yourself, matt, I believe every word you write.:rolleyes:
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Only people who like soap operas will believe this piece of horse manure. You'e not crazy Matt but I have doubts about those who respond with advice.
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Matt - Give the guy a break. Maybe he just needed a good fuck and you have said you don’t fuck so who’d blame him for a little sojourn to Bangkok. Wouldn’t worry too much about the cost of the hotel either. Small fry compared to the devaluation of your bitcoin in recent weeks. Welcome him back with open arms on his return and prepare a few wonderful surprises for him so he feels really special and knows how much you love him.
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Andaman!
Matt - Give the guy a break. Maybe he just needed a good fuck and you have said you don’t fuck so who’d blame him for a little sojourn to Bangkok. Wouldn’t worry too much about the cost of the hotel either. Small fry compared to the devaluation of your bitcoin in recent weeks. Welcome him back with open arms on his return and prepare a few wonderful surprises for him so he feels really special and knows how much you love him.
No, it's over. He's not coming back.
I gave him a break, twice actually. The first time was about 8 months ago with some guy from Vietnam while he was in Vientiane, and basically got raped. I let that go because our relationship wasn't anywhere near as deep as it is / was. Then once about 2 months ago, and I gave him a pass on that due to his mother being on her death bed.
Again, doesn't matter. He's not coming back. If he e-mails me an address, I'll mail his computer, guitar, clotes and everything to him.
His refusal of denial is enough for me, to let me know I'm not being crazy. He's just being a lair and chating on me. Sorry, but no, not allowed.
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YAWN!
And many still fall for it and reply!
Facebook is a good way to check where someone is and what he does (provided he posts regularly). But as a lot of information is in pictures, Matt would need someone to explain what is in the pictures, and as most of the Thai is rather cryptic (I often have to ask an educated Thai friend to explain what a stupid Thai friend wrote), depending on Matt's comprehension of Thai (the version the youth speak and write) someone to translate as well.
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Well at least Matt won't have to go to the trouble of moving to Vientiane. There's always a silver lining.