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Since the number of gay farang tourists has declined due to the pandemic, I assume that the retired expats living in Pattaya, have the time of their life now? I say that because of declining demand the short time rate has fallen now to 500 baht? Is this correct? Or is it still around the 1000-1500 baht price point ?
Where did you get that from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AsDaRa
Perhaps I am a little naive, but earlier in the year, I just carried on tipping in the normal range & made no attempt to exploit the situation.
Given the current situation they should be paid more, not less.
Please don't be one of those asshole farangs who gloats when they barter a boy down by a few hundred baht. That always pissed me off while I was there.
Last I heard, the bar girls in Phuket were trying to make up for lost earnings and were holding out for 3,000 - 4,000 - or so they were demanding..
When I'm in gay mode, I rarely entertain the same guy two days running. It's mostly short time, and the financial aspect is a bit fluid.
When I fancy female company for the night, I always have a little routine. Firstly, if a girl says 'how much you pay me?' she's hardened and I look for another girl.
Having brought a girl back to my room without discussing money and spent the night with her, I carefully fold up 1500 baht while the girl is showering in the morning, which I tuck into her back pocket when she kisses me goodbye. About 80% of those girls take it on trust, and don't check what I've given her until after leaving my room. And despite banter on the soi about holding out for 2000 minimum, those girls almost invariably live in the hope I'll barfine them again..
Whilst I see no reason to exploit the situation, I also see no logical reason to pay more either. I set out to neither underpay nor overpay.Quote:
Originally Posted by a447
Now if a board member tips in the middle of the short time range suggested in the opening post, the lad's received the equivalent of about 4 days on the minimum wage in Thailand. So he only needs about 1.5 clients per week to be equivalent to working 6 whole days on the minimum wage.
Also, all of the lads I met short time earlier this year were quite happy to come back again.
However, when I asked them if they wanted to do short time or long time, the answer was always short time. Obviously there's a larger tip for long time and they might even get some meals out of it. However, they chose short time and didn't even enquire about how much extra they would get for long time.
No sign of desperate finances there ! After all, if they were really struggling to get customers, they would go for long time and a bigger tip.
Bear in mind, one long time off is going to be more than a week on the minimum wage.
Of course, the lads I see are in that exclusive group who are slim, cute, with no tattoos, breasts or facial hair. It's possible that they really were getting enough business, whilst some of the less attractive ones struggle more.
My observations were, of course, earlier in 2021. Perhaps it's more difficult now, if some expats & tourists are more reluctant to do offs due to covid.
Most of the lads I see regularly have my Line ID. The only one who asked for money via that channel is the one who's expert at milking multiple farangs for their money. He can even remember most of the major exchange rates.
None of the others have asked.
pay more?!...wtf...when did i go from being a walking atm to a charity...some people are simply too stooopid to be reasoned with...oike republican anti-vaxers
Yeah, you can always get a starving guy cheaper......Quote:
Originally Posted by AsDaRa
Possibly this might be a reflection on the pleasure of your company? Another lecture on investment and financial planning might be hard to take?Quote:
Originally Posted by goji
"Just come, give me my money, and let me get out of here"!
Plenty of opinions but none of us are in Thailand, so how do we know the current rate?
Come on you expats please advise!
Or aren’t any of you doing any “offs” anymore?
gerefan, I doubt the rates are any different than when you were last there. I returned home a month ago from Thailand after being there for two years. After the lockdowns I didn't actively seek companionship but when I did,I paid about 1000 Baht/encounter. In fact still paying for "it" but not getting "it".555Quote:
Originally Posted by gerefan2
"Plenty of opinions but none of us are in Thailand, so how do we know the current rate?"
From a bisexual Thai ladyfriend whom I've known for 11 years now, and was in Phuket for a while volunteering in a Covid vaccination centre. She's a graduate who hails from an affluent Thai family, but likes socialising with bar girls.
A bowl of rice.
There are no ‘off’ fees, no drinks to buy, as there are no open bars.
I understood the question to be about the tip paid to the boy. There are still plenty of options on Planet Romeo, Grindr, Hornet etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by catawampuscat
I've got almost the opposite experience. When I let a boy know that I'm interested in his company, quite regularly he will ask me to stay long time, particularly in beer bars. I've even had lads refusing to do short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by goji
gumblebee, I don't question what you're saying about your own personal experiences, but just have to say that in 24 years...a thousand boys...a thousand offs...in hundreds of bars...in a slew of provinces, I have yet to ever once have a working boy refuse to go off for a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumblebee
I have been witness to situations where a boy would refuse to go off with a farang (short time, or long time), because the farang was deemed as being undesirable in some manner or a threat to the boys wellbeing - but these occurrences are extremely rare IMO.
As far as the topic of this thread "What is the current rate"... I'm sure the boys would appreciate larger tips at this stage considering the "survival mode" they're in, but would never complain if you tipped the same amount you've been tipping them for the past 20 years.
Up2U.
I don't recall any refusing to do short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumblebee
What type of lad are you chatting to ? Age, build etc ? Are they looking for long term relationships ?
I know of some who are well past their prime & nearing the end of their careers, who would be delighted to do long time, as I suspect they don't get much business.
The younger ones seem keener on short time.
It all depends on the boys. Yesterday I gave 500. But I am not in Pattaya. It’s probably more expensive there.
There are some unkind posters here, not moi of course, who might ask if this says more about you or the boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by goji
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I don't know, but back in my Thailand days, I even knew quite a few guys who most would consider old, ugly and fat who had to get a separate phone just for boys, because there was too many young good looking guys who wouldn't stop bugging them. They definitely didn't have a problem with overnight stays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patanawet
So....
As there are less farang, there are also less boys. Most went home to Isan or elsewhere. The handsome and young make enough money even if the encounter is short and soso, so no use giving them extra above the 1200, that I normally give. But the bit less attractive ones find it hard to make money and they really do their best, so I tip them extra in Covidtime. And that is 1500 to 2000, depending how well they perform. But if you sit on your money, you can find them for 500, but you exploit the situation. As going out for drinks or dinner is no option, most farang are not spending the amount they used to do, so give them a bit extra. I see food lines every day and see people sleeping just opposite my home on the street at night. Life for many is awful at this moment. If a few hundred baht gain makes your day, please stay away.
You are missing one important point. The lack of demand is not because the price is too high, but because potential customer can't get to Thailand easily. Even if gogo bars had free drinks, free offs, and no tip for the boy, I wouldn't be able to take advantage of this because I can't get to Thailand.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsDaRa
Same holds true for hotels and restaurants offering discounts. Nobody will go through the hoops and loops to travel to Thailand for a discount in hotel or restaurant. Applies for those establishments that cater to international tourists and now rely on local tourists. But there as well, the problem is rather curfews and travel restrictions and not price.
As for over- or underpaying, my practice here in Cambodia varies widely. At the moment, I'm inundated with free encounters. One of them mentioned financial problems on our third encounter, more specific he needs 50 USD for rent, and because all three encounters were positive, and if he had been working in a gogo bar I would have been back with all the expense, I gave him the 50 USD.
Whereas another one who is money boy and whom I had once and would meet again. It's always a long discussion, in some cases fruitless (last time he said he does not want to meet me at riverside because there are so many people, and asked if I can move back to where we first met!), and main impression is "difficult/asshole", but other than slim brown body there is something in his character that attracts me, but I cannot put my finger on it (one of the reasons why I'm looking for a repeat, but under my conditions - the first encounter was a bit rushed). But back to the point, we were negotiating between 20 (his demand) and 10 (my offer) USD at least twice, with him claiming that he charges 10 USD for 30 minutes and if I want him for an hour, I have to pay 20 USD. If it starts like this, it won't be fun. Abort and start again a few days later. I have time and I will grind him down to 10 USD for one hour.
Another in Sihanoukville for 15 USD, was working okay in bed until after 30 minutes "Can you cum? I want to go home!" That's not my style, I gave him the 15 USD we had agreed on, but no more and no repeat.
This shows, how much I tip varies wide on the circumstances.
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