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Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
With the Phuket Sandbox area quarantine option about to launch, it seems like a good time to poll forum users about their preferred options for holidaying in Thailand.
"Quarantine" here may be taken to mean both hotel quarantine and area quarantine such as the Phuket Sandbox arrangement.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
It’s a fairly simple alternative: which way do you prefer to be miserable before you can get to Pattaya (or wherever else you’re really going)? Note: there is no 7-day alternative for Phuket. It morphed into 14 days a few weeks ago.
- Pay 60,000 baht all-up, 3 meals-a-day locked in your 32 square metres hotel room and only Mr Hand for sexual companionship
- Pay considerably less for hotel and meals-when-how-and-where-you-choose unlocked on a 576 sq km island with the possibility of a hand job in the shopping mall public lavatories or even, just possibly, massage shop
Either way there’s the absolutely outrageous, budget-breaking, 50 baht/day COVID insurance policy blueskytoday keeps whining about.
Your choice.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
I have done the 14 day hotel quarantine in Thailand (=15 Nights).
The quarantine is the one part of the trip I'd rather not repeat. However, if that's my only holiday option next winter, I would repeat the experience & have voted accordingly.
In practice, I expect to have the choice of "Sandbox" options and countries with 7 day or no quarantine.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
if it was at a beach side resort ...no problem...spend the day on the beach...beer...perving at the talent..
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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latintopxxx
if it was at a beach side resort ...no problem...spend the day on the beach...beer...perving at the talent..
Sounds like what I do now, and I'm already here.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
I live here so my viewpoint is different. Originally I came not for the weather or the food but for the reason most of you came however, having witnessed the demise of the gay venues over the many years living here if this was not my home I wouldn’t rush back.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Originally Posted by
Manforallseasons
I live here so my viewpoint is different.
And your viewpoint is therefore clearly not the viewpoint being solicited in a poll Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Dodger
Sounds like what I do now, and I'm already here.
So you would therefore have no problem with a quarantine period that allows you to travel all over Phuket doing just that!
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Brad the Impala
And your viewpoint is therefore clearly not the viewpoint being solicited in a poll …
I’m guessing any soliciting will be done by the Phuket money boys :devilsh:
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Brad the Impala
So you would therefore have no problem with a quarantine period that allows you to travel all over Phuket doing just that!
Is that a question?
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Originally Posted by
Manforallseasons
I live here so my viewpoint is different. Originally I came not for the weather or the food but for the reason most of you came however, having witnessed the demise of the gay venues over the many years living here if this was not my home I wouldn’t rush back.
1 When deciding where to take a holiday in the winter of 2021, people compare the alternatives available in 2021, pick the best and then enjoy it as best they can.
Until someone invents time travel, we needn't compare Thailand today with Thailand 20 years ago when making the decision.
We compare with Cambodia, Vietnam, The Philippines, Myanmar etc. All as of 2021. Simple.
How good it was 20 years ago is totally irrelevant when deciding where to take a vacation now.
2 You wouldn't holiday in Thailand, but are prepared to continue living there ? Sometimes it is best to judge people by their actions rather than their words.
"The world is your lobster" -Arthur Daley
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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goji
2 You wouldn't holiday in Thailand, but are prepared to continue living there ? Sometimes it is best to judge people by their actions rather than their words.
"The world is your lobster" -Arthur Daley
Apparently it’s fabulously easy for someone to leave his old life completely and migrate to a very foreign country not once but twice (and the second time without going back to his own country first. Perhaps goji can give us tips from his vast personal experience and how many times he’s done it.
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I live here so it really doesn't matter.
BUT...if I was coming to Thailand for a holiday I would only accept a short (7 day max) area quarantine if I could still go to the beach...the bars...the local entertainment venues...with boys around so I could enjoy sex. If the bars and entertainment venues were closed and there were no available boys around, it wouldn't be a holiday and I wouldn't come. I'd just hop a short flight to Mexico where I could sip tequila and lick the salt off the rims of a few burritos.
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I'd be moving to Asia, so the quarantine restrictions don't really matter to me.
What matters to me is me doing my own research about the current situation, and whether or not I deem it safe. Right now, not a chance I'd go to Thailand even if I could.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Originally Posted by
StevieWonders
It’s a fairly simple alternative: which way do you prefer to be miserable before you can get to Pattaya (or wherever else you’re really going)? Note: there is no 7-day alternative for Phuket. It morphed into 14 days a few weeks ago.
- Pay 60,000 baht all-up, 3 meals-a-day locked in your 32 square metres hotel room and only Mr Hand for sexual companionship
- Pay considerably less for hotel and meals-when-how-and-where-you-choose unlocked on a 576 sq km island with the possibility of a hand job in the shopping mall public lavatories or even, just possibly, massage shop
Either way there’s the absolutely outrageous, budget-breaking, 50 baht/day COVID insurance policy blueskytoday keeps whining about.
Your choice.
I have seen several occasions...upon arrival in Thailand an insurance policy of USD$100,000 is required.......which is why I whine about it......If I can get policy for 50Baht a day great...but no way to get such prior to arrival I assume......so guess I am still whining...
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Blueskytoday
I have seen several occasions...upon arrival in Thailand an insurance policy of USD$100,000 is required.......which is why I whine about it......If I can get policy for 50Baht a day great...but no way to get such prior to arrival I assume......so guess I am still whining...
As I and others have posted many times when you have raised the issue, there are links online on Thai Consulate pages worldwide. I’ve even posted a link at least twice to a company that will insure those over 75. Now get back to your whining.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Blueskytoday
I have seen several occasions...upon arrival in Thailand an insurance policy of USD$100,000 is required.......which is why I whine about it......If I can get policy for 50Baht a day great...but no way to get such prior to arrival I assume......so guess I am still whining...
Unless they have changed the procedure, you buy the insurance in advance. Got mine with AXA Thailand. Apply on line & they e-mail the pdfs. Easy.
Those who actually want to go to Thailand will overcome these minor problems.
However, it is just a money making scam with what looks like a loss ratio of under 10%. No competitive insurance market operates like that.
To add a bit more positivity: 44 baht to the pound. :)
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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goji
Unless they have changed the procedure, you buy the insurance in advance. Got mine with AXA Thailand. Apply on line & they e-mail the pdfs. Easy.
Those who actually want to go to Thailand will overcome these minor problems.
However, it is just a money making scam with what looks like a loss ratio of under 10%. No competitive insurance market operates like that.
Thailand - the Land of Scams
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
According to the BBC, the first tourists have arrived in Phuket for the sandbox scheme.
If there is no better deal by winter, spending 2 weeks in Phuket then a few months anywhere in Thailand will seem fairly good compared with the British winter.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Originally Posted by
goji
According to the BBC, the first tourists have arrived in Phuket for the sandbox scheme.
If there is no better deal by winter, spending 2 weeks in Phuket then a few months anywhere in Thailand will seem fairly good compared with the British winter.
The "British winter"?
Most Canadians would call that an oxymoron. :)
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cdnmatt
The "British winter"?
Most Canadians would call that an oxymoron. :)
We're sensitive souls compared to you rough Canadians.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
I voted 14 days, but my situation is a bit different. I don't go for holiday, I want to spend extended time in and around Thailand (visa-free entry or tourist visa and visa runs), which would be extremely time consuming and expensive at the moment. If I could get a visa for at least 6 months, I would do 14 days quarantine in hotel or sandbox. For me, the crucial point is not the quarantine, but the time I can stay afterwards is not long enough to warrant the time and money spent in quarantine or sandbox.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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christianpfc
I voted 14 days, but my situation is a bit different. I don't go for holiday, I want to spend extended time in and around Thailand (visa-free entry or tourist visa and visa runs), which would be extremely time consuming and expensive at the moment. If I could get a visa for at least 6 months, I would do 14 days quarantine in hotel or sandbox. For me, the crucial point is not the quarantine, but the time I can stay afterwards is not long enough to warrant the time and money spent in quarantine or sandbox.
I imagine retires expats who have been stranded back in their home countries since this pandemic started would agree. I know I would if it was the only way for me to return.
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It's not just the quarantine conditions, it's the general Covid situation in Thailand as well that influences my decision to got to Thailand or not. At the moment, with limited public life in Bangkok and travel restrictions for many provinces, there is little incentive to go to Thailand.
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"there is little incentive to go to Thailand."
Oh I don't know. Once you're out of Phuket you can enjoy lunch with migrant worker steviewonders and his friend (s).
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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arsenal
"there is little incentive to go to Thailand."
Oh I don't know. Once you're out of Phuket you can enjoy lunch with migrant worker steviewonders and his friend (s).
I thought all the migrant workers were quarantined in their work camps right now.
Is there a work camp on Soi 4/Silom?
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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christianpfc
It's not just the quarantine conditions, it's the general Covid situation in Thailand as well that influences my decision to got to Thailand or not. At the moment, with limited public life in Bangkok and travel restrictions for many provinces, there is little incentive to go to Thailand.
As the poll title does not constrain us to considering immediate travel, I voted considering a time horizon of at least to the end of 2021.
During that time, winter will arrive in Europe and Thailand really ought to have vaccinated a few people and should be seeing a decline in severe covid cases.
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I won't return until quarentine is dispatched with.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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christianpfc
It's not just the quarantine conditions, it's the general Covid situation in Thailand as well that influences my decision to got to Thailand or not. At the moment, with limited public life in Bangkok and travel restrictions for many provinces, there is little incentive to go to Thailand.
Agreed! I voted for 7 days, but what good will it do if there is nothing to do after the quarantine?
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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vnman
Agreed! I voted for 7 days, but what good will it do if there is nothing to do after the quarantine?
Yes agreed regular short term tourists need two things...no quarantine and entertainment open. End of.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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gerefan2
Yes agreed regular short term tourists need two things...no quarantine and entertainment open. End of.
Agree, thus the reason domestic tourism is at an incline in most countries right now.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
The poll has thrown up some very clear trends.
A few hardy stalwarts are willing to brave Quarantine in exchange for a winter of sun and whichever recreational distractions may continue to operate.
For the majority of us, however, Quarantine and holidays are mutually exclusive.
The current situation presents a triple-headed dilemma - the need to Quarantine in Thailand, the ongoing covid outbreak with its associated lockdown and the need to self-isolate for up to 14 days on return to your home country from a non-green list country.
These three issues will have to be resolved before short-term tourism can return in any meaningful sense.
So, when will Thailand do away with Quarantine, emerge from the current covid wave and move onto the green list of covid-safe countries?
Any chance of meeting for a beer in Pattaya in December?
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Wouldn't worry too much about this, as if the numbers and prior 20 months of experience is anything to go off of, Thailand is about to descend into chaos starting right away.
I know I've written off this year already, as it's simply not going to happen. Plus seen a news report now, that I guess due to that large outbreak in India a few months back we now have the "Delta Plus" variant, which sure enough is more transmissible and lethal, blah, blah. Plus I'm pretty sure Canada is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world now, even way ahead of the US, so I'm pretty comfortable hanging out here for now.
This only goes away once we have 85%+ of the world's population fully vaccinated with quality vaccines, irregardless of any individual country.
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Kenny
So, when will Thailand do away with Quarantine, emerge from the current covid wave and move onto the green list of covid-safe countries?
When they actually a get reliable vaccine(s)...vaccinate the majority of the population...and get the bars and prostitutes back into action.
Then, and only then will the things you listed get accomplished. All these Sandbox Schemes are doing is complicating the process and inducing more and more risk. No vaccine - and it's back to the Flintstone Days!
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Realistically, you're looking at another 3 years, afterwhich this will become more of an endemic than a pandemic. I think that's probably a realistic scenario.
We need to get this thing to stop mutating and evolving into stronger variants, and that's not going to happen until we have 80% of the world's population vaccinated. I think most nations in Africa are sitting at around 1% right now, so we still have a ways to go. Until then, this thing will continue mutating into stronger and more transmissible strains, and will continue to wreak havoc on the world.
Even once if and when we finally get the global pandemic under control, eradication of Covid is near impossible. Instead, it's more than likely going to turn into an endemic, so you'll still have to be cautious about it as it'll be around, but just not so much anymore. It's just something we'll learn to live with, and adopt into our daily lives.
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Here's a good example. Israel, a poster boy example of an excellent avvination rollout, is now having issues with variants. Cases have recently jumped by 50%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz4uYqVxQss
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Re: Poll: Under which Quarantine conditions would you holiday in Thailand?
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Dodger
All these Sandbox Schemes are doing is complicating the process and inducing more and more risk. No vaccine - and it's back to the Flintstone Days!
The sandbox schemes introduce very little additional risk. Most of the virus mutations already get into Thailand over the borders from Myanmar or Cambodia.
Thailand either needs to control movement at all borders, or not bother. Controlling movement everywhere is difficult if sooner or later someone will take a bribe to let people through.
With covid widespread in Thailand, keeping controls now is like shutting the door after the horse has bolted.
Also, opening a Phuket sandbox is one way of testing out what works and what doesn't in a small & self contained part of Thailand.
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goji
The sandbox schemes introduce very little additional risk. Most of the virus mutations already get into Thailand over the borders from Myanmar or Cambodia.
Thailand either needs to control movement at all borders, or not bother. Controlling movement everywhere is difficult if sooner or later someone will take a bribe to let people through.
With covid widespread in Thailand, keeping controls now is like shutting the door after the horse has bolted.
Also, opening a Phuket sandbox is one way of testing out what works and what doesn't in a small & self contained part of Thailand.
No, if you do things properly, the restriction of movement works and works well.
For one, restriction of movement drops case numbers so as to not overload a nation's healthcare system. This is well documented and proven now, as we've seen multiple healthcare systems getting blown out of the water now, most recently India.
Second, it's proven that the vaccines work and they work well. If you can restrict movement and buy enough time to get needles into arms, you're going to save a whole lot of lives that would otherwise be lost.
You seem to be under the impression that Covid is already here, so might as well just let it wash over the population, because hey, not that many percentage of people die anyway. We just recently did that in India, and it was an absolute nightmare. Canisters of oxygen were selling on the black market for 50x their list price. Do you really think that's a good model as to what everyone should fllow?
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cdnmatt
Cases have jumped in holland too, this last week. 300.000 mostly young people were tested over the weekend, and that's where the big spike is coming from. What's important is that hospitalization is still going down and deaths too. When vaccinated people get infected but not seriously ill, I would say "mission accomplished." Hoping for more is just dreaming.