-
Russian Underwear Protest!
Russian documentary director Vitaly Mansky (Putin’s Witnesses, Gorbachev. Heaven) has revealed what happened earlier this week when he was detained by police outside the Russian secret service agency premises in Moscow.
In a picture stunt that was viewed by millions across Russia, Mansky was shown in front of the building holding up a pair of blue boxer shorts. This was to draw attention to allegations that surfaced this week that the Russian secret service (the FSB) tried to assassinate opposition leader Alexei Navalny by secreting a toxin on his underpants.
https://www.screendaily.com/news/rus...wear%20protest
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
sooo misleading...when I read the headline I was expecting bel ami model types guys in underwear...with muscular legs and packages..
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
According to most trusted private Russian agency for researching public opinions "Levada Center" in Russia knows about Navalniy poisoning 78% of adult population.
From 78%:
30% thinks it was Navalniy own fabrication of poisoning (political show)
19% thinks it was provocation of one of Western security service (for example feedback from MI5 for Scripal)
15% thinks what it was Kremlin's operation (in absolute digits it means less than 20% of Russian population)
7% thinks what it was vendetta from one of "local heroes" of Navalniy's investigations of corruption (like governor of one of 89 parts of Russian Federation) <-- I am also in this group
6% thinks what it was result of fight within Russian opposition
1% thinks it was accidental poisoning not linked to any reason
One more interesting detail: for people Navalniy is so "nobody from nowhere" - Putin's trusting level did not changed by this "accident with Navalniy". Some part of population got information about Navalniy existence from this story (WTF? Who is this Navalniy and why so many news about him?).
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Isn’t “most trusted in Russia” an oxymoron?
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
StevieWonders
Isn’t “most trusted in Russia” an oxymoron?
Yeah... something like "Liz II - Queen of Australia" or "Queen of Canada".
"Levada" is private agency. By the way: most western agencies are totally stupid when researches touching Russia. Even intelligence services are - do you remember how stupid was looking Obama when he spoke with medias about Russia on board of his aircraft in 2009? Only 4 sentences and all 4 were total bullshit
"regional country" - then he found what Russia has second strong army in world
"doesn't produce anything" - then he found what Russia is #1 grain exporter in World, holds 31% (in 2009) of European gas market, and is manufacturer of rocket engines for USA (and still is, closest time when Boing promised to show first prototype is end of 2021)
"population runs from country" - Russia was 3rd country in world by migration to country in 2009
"has no international influence" - in 2016 he started to talk what it was Russia who appointed president to US...
So, yes, when we are talking about Russia - "Levada" is for sure agency which knows much more about Russia and situation within country than any other research agency in world and maybe any intelligence service outside of Russia...
https://youtu.be/16K6m3Ua2nw
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
"Navalniy's pants" is mem already in Russia:
Attachment 10573
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Yeah... something like "Liz II - Queen of Australia" or "Queen of Canada".
You’re possibly confusing oxymoron with anachronism. We do have a Forum member who holds himself out as (or as dear Oscar might say “posing as” - although it was the Marquess of Queensbury who used that phrase) a teacher of English who may be able to help you. Were he teaching a member of my family I’d demand a refund but there you are.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
StevieWonders
Were he teaching a member of my family I’d demand a refund
It is pity what he isn't your teacher.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
It is pity what he isn't your teacher.
Thank you Moses for brightening my Xmas Day. It seems you are not familiar with the use of the subjunctive in English so I suggest you follow this link
https://writingexplained.org/was-vs-were-difference
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
arsenal
Titania’s thought for today-
Attachment 10577
And I can tell you it looks a damn sight more edible than the chicken which formed part of last evening’s execrable “Christmas Dinner” at Balcony for the 15 or so hardy souls who were there. The highlights of the meal were the two young male companions of the older Asian bloke in attendance.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
stevie..go copuylate with yourself....moses..love the clip...
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
The background to the underpants protest is set out in this week’s Economist:
https://www.economist.com/europe/202...nts-ineptitude
Doubtless our Kremlin spokesman will be along shortly to set the record straight.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
StevieWonders
Doubtless our Kremlin spokesman
If you will discuss me instead of news one more time, you will be kicked out of forum. You are warned. I hope you understand my poor English.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Navalniy today said what ban of Trump's Twitter account is act of unacceptable censorship, huge mistake and emotional decision.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Navalniy today said what ban of Trump's Twitter account is act of unacceptable censorship, huge mistake and emotional decision.
I didn't think you gave any weight to what Navalny says, but now you are quoting him!
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
I didn't think you gave any weight to what Navalny says, but now you are quoting him!
No. I just show - everything is propaganda. And more than half year ago, when here first time was published that name I wrote: Navalniy is Kremlin's project.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
This is obviously western propaganda as Pooty Poots could never afford it. I am curious though. Who does it belong to.
https://news.sky.com/story/jailed-al...alace-12192850
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
arsenal
But state can afford it... so, who cares besides Navalniy?
This story is already long lasting comedy. "Poisoned" Navalny rans to Germany and lives there till January. At January he says "To ban Trump's twitter isn't democracy" and is kicked out of Germany to Russia in 3 days.
Here he publishes facts what everyone knows and trying to make one more scandal, but only West pretends to be interested in facts of Russian president residences, in Russia any person may open Google map or Yandex map and watch satellite images. Is West banned from Google maps?
By the way: do you want to discuss how great is freedom in Russian prisons and how high is level of democracy here? Jailed opponent of president and "famous dissident" is able to publish his next research from the prison...
Oh, do you really take this comedy seriously?
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
This story is already long lasting comedy. "Poisoned" Navalny rans to Germany and lives there till January. At January he says "To ban Trump's twitter isn't democracy" and is kicked out of Germany to Russia in 3 days.
He wan't kicked out of Germany and Merkel equally criticised the banning of Trump from Twitter!
Still it's all just a "Kremlin project", according to you.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
Still it's all just a "Kremlin project", according to you.
Sure, correct. He is honey pot with 2 tasks:
- to attract people who are critics of Putin from Khodorkovsky to Navalny
- to make Russian opposition look pathetic and stupid... at past this job had Zhirinovsky with his liberal-democracy party, but now he is 70+ yo and is too old for such job. But Kremlin needs clowns in opposition to make it look stupid.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
He wan't kicked out of Germany and Merkel equally criticised the banning of Trump from Twitter!
He was. How else you will explain fact: Navalny was discharged from hospital at October 12 and was living in Germany till January (who pays his and his press-secretary and other staff living there?).
Only when he told about lack of democracy he was expelled... even when Russia already announced him in "Wanted" list because he missed all his weekly check ups with police as conditionally released for his crimes (and before you will start to discuss his crimes: Hague court already checked this and found no political motivation in decision of Russian court about "Navalny case").
So Germany for sure knew (and had hopes?) what he will be arrested for violations of conditionally release from prison at time when they escorted him to airport in Berlin with police and blue flash lights. They (and Navalny) also announced his arrival to Russia in advance for to prepare scandal in Moscow airport.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Only when he told about lack of democracy he was expelled...
So he was thrown out of the country for expressing the same view as the leader of that country. Curiouser and Curiouser.
https://on.ft.com/2LFhNyz
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
...and I see that crazy nancy and looser hilary are still carrying on about Russian control of orange man and the peaceful demonstration on capitol hill
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
Curiouser and Curiouser.
Any other ideas why he after hospital from the middle of October lived in Germany when knew about his obligations to check in in police every week? Russian court made decision about him only at December 29. Navalny had a lot of time to come here and have no problem with arrest - from October 12 till December 29. But he waited for scandal and only then came back? Or just was kicked off from Germany?
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
I don't know, maybe he was busy putting preparations in place to protect himself against the next time the FSB tries to murder him.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Any other ideas why he after hospital from the middle of October lived in Germany when knew about his obligations to check in in police every week?
I imagine it takes a bit of time to recover from a poisoning, although of course some never recover.
You may have noticed that Europeans countries are not in the habit of deporting politicians back to countries with a suspect legal system.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
You may have noticed that Europeans countries are not in the habit of deporting politicians back to countries with a suspect legal system.
Ah, so? Now I know why Assange is still living in the Embassy of Ecuador in London. 8 years already. Because "European countries are not in habit" . Sure-sure. Right, Mr. Snowden?
Any other fantasies and tales?
Note: in 2019 185 persons were departed to Russia for to be criminal charged.
European countries which cooperated with Russia in 2019: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Greece, Denmark, Spain, Italy, Cyprus, Poland, Portugal, Serbia, Slovenia, Germany, Montenegro.
Russia departed by requests of foreign countries 774 persons.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
You may have noticed that Europeans countries are not in the habit of deporting politicians back to countries with a suspect legal system.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Ah, so? Now I know why Assange is still living in the Embassy of Ecuador in London. 8 years already. Because "European countries are not in habit" . Sure-sure.
1. Assange isn't a politician.
2. He hasn't been in the Embassy of Ecuador for the last nine months.
3. He hasn't been deported to a country with a suspect legal system
The relevance of your comment therefore escapes me.
Do you have any independent source that supports your claim that Germany deported Navalny? Or was the claim just a continuation of recycled state propaganda against Navalny?
-
3 Attachment(s)
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
1. Assange isn't a politician.
Well, Navalny is also not a politician - he has no own party or movement, nor program for changes. He is just criminal person who trying to revenge for confiscations of his money what he get when stole wood at north of Russia and late in post scam when he was in Moscow. Now is used by both sides: by Kremlin to make leaks and by West to make buzz in western press. Here in Russia as a politician he has zero weight (only 165 persons arrived to protest near court now, half of them were from medias). Nobody cares about him here. Tool for leaks, toy for propaganda.
He had most popularity at 2013 when he was candidate to Moscow mayor. He got 27% with support of right wing nationalists and left ultras. After that yea his popularity faded. Most of drops were in 2016 when he made scandal within opposition in demand to be #1 there. After this action he lost about 60% of his supporters, mostly intelligence.
Last drop in his story was in 2017. When he wanted to protest against something and city offered to him place for protest (up to 50000 persons) in the city center and even constructed scene there for him. It gave him no base for scandal. So at last day before meeting he dropped meeting and announced protest on the main city street where was historical carnival (first Sunday of September is Moscow's birthday). His adepts went to protest and destroyed carnival show. Navalny himself didn't appeared there.
After that story nobody within country count him politician, everyone knows he is just a provocator (we had such person at past about 100 years ago, google Gapon Russia).
Maybe Russia has to declare him "internal terrorist"? What do you think?
2017 smashed carnival:
Attachment 10678
Attachment 10679
Attachment 10680
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
Do you have any independent source that supports your claim that Germany deported Navalny?
I'll take that as a No.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
Do you have any independent source that supports your claim that Germany deported Navalny? Or was the claim just a continuation of recycled state propaganda against Navalny?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
I'll take that as a No.
You are big boy long time already. Do you still trust in Santa and independent medias?
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Very very few countries are democratic. It takes a lot of energy and will power to be so. It's so much easier the other way..
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
You are big boy long time already. Do you still trust in Santa and independent medias?
I only trust QAnon.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
You are big boy long time already. Do you still trust in Santa and independent medias?
Sorry if you can't find any independent media that you trust. I think QAnon couldn't find any either.
In the meantime the BBC reports today:
Quote:
Russian police have detained close aides of the jailed Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny, whose fans have flooded social media with calls to rally in support of him on Saturday.
Moscow police say any unauthorised demonstrations and provocations will be "immediately suppressed".
More than 55m people have watched his video about President Vladimir Putin's alleged luxury Black Sea palace.
Doesn't read like someone with "zero weight", but I guess that you are the one on the ground.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55765895
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
Sorry if you can't find any independent media that you trust. I think QAnon couldn't find any either.
In the meantime the BBC reports today:
Doesn't read like someone with "zero weight", but I guess that you are the one on the ground.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55765895
Give me some money and I will make 100-mln-viewers-post with pile of shit as a content.
Watch videos from streets: there are nobody to protest. Once again: in front of court what had intention to arrest Navalny was 165 (precise!) persons, more than half of them were journalists.
Tomorrow maybe will be some protests against quarantines, so Navalny maybe will use them. But I'm sure here as in Netherlands, Belgium, France or Germany police will act quite strong. Tomorrow will be positive temperatures, so them may use water-cannons like in Netherlands at past week.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Today in Hornet was posts from activist with invitation to protest today against Navalny arrest and against Putin homophobia. In the comments about 95% wrote "no. thank you". Motivation for to decline "With Putin we have homophobia, with Navalny and his right wing activists we will have the same homophobia plus disorders".
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Today in Hornet was posts from activist with invitation to protest today against Navalny arrest and against Putin homophobia. In the comments about 95% wrote "no. thank you". Motivation for to decline "With Putin we have homophobia, with Navalny and his right wing activists we will have the same homophobia plus disorders".
Yes,95% of members of SGT would feel the same way about Russia I would guess.
-
Re: Russian Underwear Protest!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Moses
Sure, correct. He is honey pot with 2 tasks:
- to attract people who are critics of Putin from Khodorkovsky to Navalny
- to make Russian opposition look pathetic and stupid... at past this job had Zhirinovsky with his liberal-democracy party, but now he is 70+ yo and is too old for such job. But Kremlin needs clowns in opposition to make it look stupid.
Your logic falls apart here. If this is true, and he's just a Kremlin project, then why would the Kremlin try to murder him?
That seems a bit counter-productive, don't you think?