Where to for Christmas....?

Interesting to read of the desirable locations around the world where, in the event of Thailand still being shut for business, members can escape the madness that is Christmas in the UK. So, where to go: Brazil, Colombia, Morocco, Tunisia, Kerala, Goa (India will almost certainly not be open)?

Like so many of you, I'm struggling to decide on an alternative, as I don't think Thailand will be open for business this side of April at the earliest. So, where do we go that will offer warmth, value for money and "good" adonis-like company?

Tunisia has always had a certain reputation and is less intimidating than Morocco, which has changed beyond all recognition from the glory (hole) days of freeport Tangier (where it was not unusual to find Kenneth Williams sunbathing on the beach in a suit: similarly with Ronnie Kray)! In Tunisia I contracted dreadful poisoning courtesy of water melon rinsed under the hotel tap!! South America beckons, but where? I hear scary stories about Rio and its muggings etc. Argentina? Yes, but have they haven't forgotten our sinking of the Belgrano and will they seek revenge in the sauna?

What about Myanmar? Cambodia Taiwan? Taiwan - now there's an idea! I've never been because I get off Eva Air at BKK, but I do read some interesting reports.

Perhaps I should just accept the fact that this year it's going to be another cloudy, chilly winter with relatives in Gloucester, listening to Slade belting out their stuff in the supermarket, dying slowly in an unheated village church at midnight while singing the same old dross and watching the Sallie Army freezing their cornets off standing in the town centre, wishing they hadn't joined. My idea of listening to the 'Queen' on Christmas Day is enjoying the banter of an elderly actor friend (who once kissed Larry Olivier), recounting a selection of various gay sojourns that would have made William Burroughs and Robin Maugham blush!

Any ideas? Please send me a message, as I'm rapidly running out of them and beginning to panic.

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"...Argentina? Yes, but have they haven't forgotten our sinking of the Belgrano and will they seek revenge in the sauna?..."

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Good one Posh!! Make my day. The Vengeful Sauna indeed.

Zimbabwe??

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Originally Posted by poshglasgow

dying slowly in an unheated village church at midnight while singing the same old dross and watching the Sallie Army freezing their cornets off standing in the town centre, wishing they hadn't joined.

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at least this year you can thank the BBC that you have been spared the supposedly questionable lyrics of some British classics on the last night on the proms - Brittanica may not rule, but #CancelCulture certainly does!

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Originally Posted by Smiles

Good one Posh!! Make my day. The Vengeful Sauna indeed.

Zimbabwe??

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Zimbabwe?????

"Nurse, the screens!"

What do you call a Zimbabwean cow? Moo-Gabe!!

Anywhere south of Morocco on the dark continent would be highly risky for those of a certain persuasion!

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Zimbabwe?????
Anywhere south of Morocco on the dark continent would be highly risky for those of a certain persuasion!

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Bottoms? I'm sure they can practise at home first using a Bam Dildo or similar!

I am in the same boat as you PG, after giving up on both my Songkran and Loy Kratong holidays I am slowly but surely realizing that my New Year holidays will not happen either

Locations I have considered:
Japan - it will be cold there in Jan (2-10 Celcius) but at least their saunas are warm
Cuba - I understand that their health care system is pretty good, but internet is practically non-existent and it's difficult to bring locals home
Colombia - If the Chaturbate guys are anything to go by then I'm in! However after watching Narcos I am thinking they may be the exception to the rule and the rest of them look like 70s porn stars
The Canaries - At least the weather will be good, and Covid instances are (currently) low
Cambodia - I understand there is at least one International class hospital in PP, and the gay scene there whilst small is lively
Taiwan - I am told its difficult t break into "circles" there, although there are always the apps (and ChristianPFCs recommended Sauna)

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Originally Posted by bkkguy

at least this year you can thank the BBC that you have been spared the supposedly questionable lyrics of some British classics on the last night on the proms - Brittanica may not rule, but #CancelCulture certainly does!

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I'm tired of the whole "ME TOO" and "WOKE" thingy that is permeating every corner of the West. It's nothing short of a scheme drawn up by women to seize control of the world. Coming to think of it, though, they might not do a bad job. Let's ask Trump, Jinping, Putin, Khamenie, Tokayev, Kim Jon-Un, Al Saud, Erdogan, 'Mad'uro, Al-Assad.

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Originally Posted by colmx

Bottoms? I'm sure they can practise at home first using a Bam Dildo or similar!

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Risky indeed.

If the stereotype is true, then bottoms could end up choking to death!

No thanks.

PG, I think you should consider Japan. Clear blue skies every day and not so cold. Just dress appropriately and you'll be ok.

If you want sex, there are saunas in Tokyo and Osaka that welcome foreigners. Host bars are also an option but take lots of yen if you want to play.

Or take a guy with you. That's what I'm considering doing this Christmas/New Year if we are allowed to travel.

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Originally Posted by colmx

I am in the same boat as you PG, after giving up on both my Songkran and Loy Kratong holidays I am slowly but surely realizing that my New Year holidays will not happen either

Locations I have considered:
Japan - it will be cold there in Jan (2-10 Celcius) but at least their saunas are warm
Cuba - I understand that their health care system is pretty good, but internet is practically non-existent and it's difficult to bring locals home
Colombia - If the Chaturbate guys are anything to go by then I'm in! However after watching Narcos I am thinking they may be the exception to the rule and the rest of them look like 70s porn stars
The Canaries - At least the weather will be good, and Covid instances are (currently) low
Cambodia - I understand there is at least one International class hospital in PP, and the gay scene there whilst small is lively
Taiwan - I am told its difficult t break into "circles" there, although there are always the apps (and ChristianPFCs recommended Sauna)

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Thanks Colmx. Interesting.

Cuba keeps cropping up when alternatives are considered. It's definitely moving up the rankings. I recall sitting in a once-desirable club in Prague in the early nineties listening with ears 'pricked' to a well-travelled fashion photographer tell of his adventures along the Malecon and the availability of so many would-be companions to suit all tastes.

iam all booked for brazil, 5 weeks over christmas and new year
cant bloody wait

I’m in the same boat too, so am interested to read these recommendations.
However who’s done the homework?

From the UK Government travel advice:

Japan....no entry to anyone who has been in UK in last 14 days. Visas suspended. 14 days quarantine on arrival.

Cuba... “
Foreign tourists can visit Cuba on international charter flights into the following destinations only: Cayo Coco, Cayo Cruz or Cayo Guillermo (served by Jardines del Rey airport); Cayo Santa Maria (flying into Santa Clara airport), or Cayo Largo del Sur. No travel from USA permitted.
All other commercial and charter flights are still suspended.

Taiwan...
“ Foreign nationals are permitted to enter Taiwan provided they are NOT entering for study, TOURISM or to visit friends. You will need to apply for a visa before travelling.
14 days quarantine if arriving from UK

I’m not booking anything until I’m sure I can travel and so will leave anything until the last minute, even if it costs more. I’m not prepared to lend my money to an airline with little chance of a refund (unless I accept a coupon which I won’t want or need).

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Originally Posted by gerefan2

. I’m not prepared to lend my money to an airline with little chance of a refund (unless I accept a coupon which I won’t want or need).

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Funny on that very note - it was only just this morning that I received my refund from Emirates for a flight I'd paid for back in November to fly in early April time, they firstly offered me my full refund which I said yes to in writing after completing all their various (long) forms. They then refunded my seat purchases as listed on that same form but no main flight refund. I waited thinking it was just slow admin on their part, but no, nothing arrived so I called them - "oh yes it's all ok we see it on the system you'll get it "shortly" they said - but still no money arrived.

I called again only to be told that they'd emailed me offering a voucher instead and better than that that I had in fact replied and accepted that ! (needless to say on my request to find that email they couldn't locate it - which wasn't surprising as I'd never SENT nor received any email from then. I was then asked to RE fill in their (long) refund request form and even then it required at least another four calls from me over the following few weeks until they relented and just today returned my money.

So, yes I think your waiting until you can travel before you part with any of your hard earned cash wit ANY airline is a damned good idea perhaps - no matter WHAT refund guarantees they claim to have in place as just like many of the rest of us god knows WHERE the airline industry is going to find itself in the coming months cash flow wise ! :-(

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Funny on that very note - it was only just this morning that I received my refund from Emirates for a flight I'd paid for back in November to fly in early April time, they firstly offered me my full refund which I said yes to in writing after completing all their various (long) forms. They then refunded my seat purchases as listed on that same form but no main flight refund. I waited thinking it was just slow admin on their part, but no, nothing arrived so I called them - "oh yes it's all ok we see it on the system you'll get it "shortly" they said - but still no money arrived.

I called again only to be told that they'd emailed me offering a voucher instead and better than that that I had in fact replied and accepted that ! (needless to say on my request to find that email they couldn't locate it - which wasn't surprising as I'd never SENT nor received any email from then. I was then asked to RE fill in their (long) refund request form and even then it required at least another four calls from me over the following few weeks until they relented and just today returned my money.

So, yes I think your waiting until you can travel before you part with any of your hard earned cash wit ANY airline is a damned good idea perhaps - no matter WHAT refund guarantees they claim to have in place as just like many of the rest of us god knows WHERE the airline industry is going to find itself in the coming months cash flow wise ! :-(

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Sounds like sensible advice. Much as we are dying to escape the winter months for some much needed R&R, this year looks like we're pretty well gated!

Holidays have been wrecked thanks a virus that appears to have its origin known only to Trump. The wife of a friend of mine loves nothing better than to climb on the back of his Harley-Davidson in the summer and head for France. This year she's had to settle for him sitting on her stomach in bed, while training a hair dryer on her face and throwing dead flies at her teeth.

As we got to the end of August, I've also started to think about where to go in the winter. This year, I doubt any early booking will be necessary, which is just as well, as most of the candidates are shut or have 14 day quarantine.
Thailand -no
Vietnam -No
Cambodia -No (think there was a $3000 deposit, which you don't get back if failing a covid test, so of course you will fail.
Last time I looked, the Philippines was closed, but must check again soon.

Brazil has a quite nasty covid infection rate at present, but if that slows down by December, it might be an interesting candidate.
I'm intending to go SOMEWHERE in the next few months.

FYI: You better check carefully before planning any trip to other countries..Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Philippines, etc..ALL require Covid-19 negative test results taken 3 days prior to entry AND you will be quarantined for 14 Days before you are permitted out of the hotel........Forget travel this year...check it out..

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Originally Posted by paperboy

iam all booked for brazil, 5 weeks over christmas and new year
cant bloody wait

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Are you serious? You do know that Brazil has one of the highest infection rates of KoVid-19 in the world, right?

As for travelling this winter in general, wouldn't book too far in advance. Pretty much every health official in the world states there will be a resurgence this fall / winter. For example, Hungary is the first EU nation to announce its closing its borders as of Sept 1st to prepare for this fall / winter, and you can expect the same to happen throughought the world in the coming few months.

TRAVEL BY LAND - NOT BY AIR!

Being right in the middle of a global pandemic...with international travel bans in place...health risks galore...not knowing if commercial flights will even be flying to your destination...14 day quarantines in place even if you do reach your destination, you may want to consider taking a Winter vacation somewhere on your own continent this year, versus plunging into the obis.

I know without a shadow of a doubt, that if I were stuck in the U.S. this year the last thing I would be interested in would be international travel. I would simply side-step this entire mess and select a fun place to vacation where there's no quarantine in place...a little beach...a bar...a boy,...a bottle Tres Generones Tequila...and a room with an electrical outlet to cruise the apps.

The pastures always look greener on the other side, until you get there, only to find that the grass in a burnt-yellow. Then you get chained to the charred ground for 14 days before you're even allowed to graze.

Not my cup of tea anyway.

As a newbie, thanks all for the ideas and comments in this thread. I'd love to be somewhere warm with a hot bod beside me this Xmas but this virus is moving so quickly and recurring again and again that I just see no point in lashing out cash for a holiday that may never happen. I don't want to go through the fun and expectation of planning for a two week holiday that is then cancelled.

I heard the Gulf airlines have started flying to Bangkok again. Then I read the government has not opened the country and these flights won't happen. It's all the uncertainty that pisses me off.

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Originally Posted by gerefan2

I’m in the same boat too, so am interested to read these recommendations.
However who’s done the homework?

From the UK Government travel advice:

Japan....no entry to anyone who has been in UK in last 14 days. Visas suspended. 14 days quarantine on arrival.

Cuba... “
Foreign tourists can visit Cuba on international charter flights into the following destinations only: Cayo Coco, Cayo Cruz or Cayo Guillermo (served by Jardines del Rey airport); Cayo Santa Maria (flying into Santa Clara airport), or Cayo Largo del Sur. No travel from USA permitted.
All other commercial and charter flights are still suspended.

Taiwan...
“ Foreign nationals are permitted to enter Taiwan provided they are NOT entering for study, TOURISM or to visit friends. You will need to apply for a visa before travelling.
14 days quarantine if arriving from UK

I’m not booking anything until I’m sure I can travel and so will leave anything until the last minute, even if it costs more. I’m not prepared to lend my money to an airline with little chance of a refund (unless I accept a coupon which I won’t want or need).

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Wise words.
But many are now are being led by the wrong head! The brain has been ousted and the penis has taken control.

As painful as it is, guys y'all ain't goin' nowhere ! Its not your decision.

'The problem is, God gave man a brain and a penis and only enough blood to run one at a time.' - Robin Williams

My plan for September is Brazil. Now waiting for confirmation from my travel health insurance, and them I'm ready to book a flight.

No requirement of negative covid test maximum 72 hours before flight on Air France and KLM (I will probably fly with those), and no quarantine in Brazil or on return to Germany (current situation, can change).

For December to early to make plans now, and quarantine requirements are different for all combinations of countries (holiday destination and your home country upon return).

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Cambodia -No (think there was a $3000 deposit, which you don't get back if failing a covid test, so of course you will fail.
Last time I looked, the Philippines was closed, but must check again soon.

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The deposit has been lowered to 2kUSD, and it's in case one of the passengers on the plane is positive, then all passengers will have to pass two weeks state quarantine and that 2kUSD is to pay for accommodation, food and medical examination/treatment.

Cambodia is my plan for November unless something changes to the positive. I hope Cambodian embassy in Berlin hands out business visa without asking questions, and I'm prepared to do two weeks home quarantine in Cambodia (a friend lives there and keeps me updated, there are hotels that are eligible starting from 15 USD per night; whereas in Bangkok - moot point as I'm not eligible - numbers of 60 kTHB are reported for ASQ).

I mentioned many times that Cambodia is not among my preferred places in SEAsia, but if I can't get anywhere else, she will have to do. The good point is that I know several boys from Thailand who are now back in Cambodia and all are very eager to meet me, and so am I.

Japan too cold, too expensive.
Taiwan maybe.
Philippines or Sri Lanka yes if they are open.
Myanmar YES if open (my second choice after Thailand).
Vietnam why not if they are open.

Colombia yes if they are open and Brazil experiences positive (however in that case I might better go back to Brazil), Cuba ditto.

Surely, shall await his trip report with bated breath, though it won’t be in the Thailand part of this group.

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The deposit has been lowered to 2kUSD, and it's in case one of the passengers on the plane is positive, then all passengers will have to pass two weeks state quarantine and that 2kUSD is to pay for accommodation, food and medical examination/treatment.

Cambodia is my plan for November unless something changes to the positive. I hope Cambodian embassy in Berlin hands out business visa without asking questions, and I'm prepared to do two weeks home quarantine in Cambodia

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I'd assumed the Khmer authorities would snaffle your $2000 or 3000. There is a huge financial incentive for them to decide someone failed the test and they pocket a plane load of deposits.

Here's a report of someone in an Cambodia quarantine camp: https://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/...p?f=14&t=71013
I extracted a picture of one of the bedrooms (below). It's rather basic, but at least it looks slightly nicer than Tuol Sleng.


The other question is how long would I stay in Cambodia ? I've been there 5 times and quite like it, but it's a compact country. Phnom Penh, Siem Reap & Sihanoukville are OK. In some other places like Battambang,Kep, Kampot etc there's not much to do.
Guess I could push it out to a couple of months.
If the boys are no longer in Jomtien Complex, perhaps Cambodia might be like the old days, where one could walk into somewhere like Linga bar and find about a dozen cute lads looking for a farang.

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Originally Posted by christianpfc

Cambodia is my plan for November unless something changes to the positive. I hope Cambodian embassy in Berlin hands out business visa without asking questions, and I'm prepared to do two weeks home quarantine in Cambodia (a friend lives there and keeps me updated, there are hotels that are eligible starting from 15 USD per night; whereas in Bangkok - moot point as I'm not eligible - numbers of 60 kTHB are reported for ASQ).

I mentioned many times that Cambodia is not among my preferred places in SEAsia, but if I can't get anywhere else, she will have to do. The good point is that I know several boys from Thailand who are now back in Cambodia and all are very eager to meet me, and so am I.
Colombia yes if they are open and Brazil experiences positive (however in that case I might better go back to Brazil), Cuba ditto.

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Christian, it seems your only concerns are the difficulties in getting to some countries and no mention of the risk to your health. I believe you are not in the high risk bracket ( over 60 years of age ) and you are probably in good general health,but even so, younger people are also getting infected and suffer severe side effects. Although the majority of infected younger people experience little or no symptoms, hopefully you don't get infected.
Cambodia has been lucky with very low infection rates and associated deaths ,so in that regard its not a bad choice, once you are aware of all the pitfalls if things go wrong.
Brazil and Colombia are in a different situation, they both have very high infection rates and deaths, even at your age you should consider carefully.

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Originally Posted by Zebedee

I believe you are not in the high risk bracket ( over 60 years of age ) and you are probably in good general health,but even so, younger people are also getting infected and suffer severe side effects. Although the majority of infected younger people experience little or no symptoms, hopefully you don't get infected.

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I have to disagree, and find that type of mindset quite selfish and disrespectful. I'm in a low risk category myself -- 38yo Canadian, 5'8", 140lbs, and overall quite healthy. Quit smoking back in March due to KoVid so lungs are much clearer now, excercise daily, eat good enough, and basically never get sick. I think the last time I got natrually sick that was not self-inflicted / preventable was back when I was 23 and got strepthroat while living in Toronto.

Nonetheless, just because there's a pretty slim chance I would die if infected, that doesn't give me the right to go galvanting around the world during a once in a century global pandemic. Just because I might not die, doesn't mean I wouldn't spread it and kill a decent handful of people that otherwise would have never died. I find it selfish. This is probably one of the only times in our lives we've ever been asked to come together as one to protect each other, and the only thing that is being asked from us is to sit on our ass, be lazy, drink some beer, and play on the computer or whatever. It's really not that big of an ask.

Same with all these anti-mask protests you see. Quit acting like spoiled 10 year old brats people, and just put a damn mask on. It's really not that big of a deal. Grab some of those reusable / washable cloth masks that you can tighten. They're excellent, and not that hot at all nor give any discomfort.

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I have to disagree, and find that type of mindset quite selfish and disrespectful.

Nonetheless, just because there's a pretty slim chance I would die if infected, that doesn't give me the right to go galvanting around the world during a once in a century global pandemic. Just because I might not die, doesn't mean I wouldn't spread it and kill a decent handful of people that otherwise would have never died. I find it selfish. This is probably one of the only times in our lives we've ever been asked to come together as one to protect each other, and the only thing that is being asked from us is to sit on our ass, be lazy, drink some beer, and play on the computer or whatever. It's really not that big of an ask.
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cdnmatt your concern for others is commendable and I wish that attitude was prevalent in every country , but its not and far from it.
Any posts I have made regarding Covid-19 were made with the assumption that the age group here is in the high risk category. I'm sure there are exceptions, I think Christian is one. I assume also Christian is not Covid-19 positive at present, and therefore unable to spread anything...except his money...ahem! Before he departs and when he lands in Cambodia I believe...he has to present a medical certificate proving he has tested negative within a certain time frame from departure date. If anyone on his flight is tested positive he will be quarantined. If Christian was travelling knowing he had Covid-19 I'd agree with you,but I doubt thats the case. If anything he is the one taking the risk, and a very big risk at that,but its only my opinion. He is probably fed up only meeting *Jack Meoff every night !

*bkkguy...again! LOL

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Originally Posted by goji

I'd assumed the Khmer authorities would snaffle your $2000 or 3000. There is a huge financial incentive for them to decide someone failed the test and they pocket a plane load of deposits.

Here's a report of someone in an Cambodia quarantine camp: https://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/...p?f=14&t=71013
I extracted a picture of one of the bedrooms (below). It's rather basic, but at least it looks slightly nicer than Tuol Sleng.

The other question is how long would I stay in Cambodia ? I've been there 5 times and quite like it, but it's a compact country. Phnom Penh, Siem Reap & Sihanoukville are OK. In some other places like Battambang,Kep, Kampot etc there's not much to do.
Guess I could push it out to a couple of months.
If the boys are no longer in Jomtien Complex, perhaps Cambodia might be like the old days, where one could walk into somewhere like Linga bar and find about a dozen cute lads looking for a farang.

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Nobody pockets the money directly, it will be used for accommodation, food, medical test. However the room you show is certainly not worth 30 (?) USD per night and I expect the three meals per day for 30 (?) are not worth it either. Before submitting myself to the risk of state quarantine in Cambodia at the costs, I would research home many airplanes arrived and how many were infected.

I think I could stay in Cambodia a few months. 14 days quarantine anyway, and then meeting a few boys and a bit of travel, and then converting to what I do in Germany: reading, internet, study Chinese; with the benefit of tropical climate and available boys, and the disadvantage of no household like now with my parents or in my room in Bangkok.

I know two Khmer boys I met in Thailand and who are now in Cambodia.

I'm not afraid of covid. I protect only to comply with government requirements. After return from Brazil, there would be a month at home for preparation and rest before going to Cambodia.

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This is Cambodia, where the corruption is quite a bit worse than Thailand. I'd be working on the assumption that my money could be taken at any level in the chain from the person behind the counter all the way up to Hun Sen.

Like you, I'd want to research who else has been there and whether or not they got their money back.

Ignoring corruption and assuming an infection rate of 0.04%, that gives about a 1 in 5 chance of someone getting infected, if you (somehow) managed to get a direct 777 flight to Phnom Penh.
Pre-Covid, I didn't think there were direct flights from the UK to Cambodia, but perhaps Germany or France might be OK.

I'll keep an eye on the Cambodia option, but there is no need to panic about the winter holiday just yet.

I see Sri Lanka mentioned earlier. Anyone know if it is as cruisy now as I read it always used to be?

After seeing the picture that goji posted of the quarantine room in Cambodia - anyone who would volunteer to be jailed there for 14 days has to be fucking nuts.

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Yes. It's a young offenders institution. Even Pataya wouldn't tempt me. I was locked down for 14 days in my own apartnent with loads of space, a balcony, decent internet, all my own stuff and people to bring me anything I wanted and that while not bad was bad enough.

Puerto Vallarta

Brazil has a racist and homophobic government, heavily influenced by deranged evangelicals, guilty of the wholesale killing of street kids, contemptuous towards its indigenous peoples, Covid-riddled due to its Trumpian disbelief in science and thoroughly corrupt, both economically and politically.

Charmed as I am by the people, particularly the black community, the culture, the scenery and the football ever since I saw the film Black Orpheus in the 1960s, I'd feel uncomfortable as a tourist there. For now.

"Stay-cations" is the new buzz word being floated by the travel industries, where increases in domestic vacations in the U.S. and UK (and other countries) are increasing as one would expect.

Fuck the airlines.! When they stopped serving meals and handing out pillows on long domestic flights after 9/11 they got put on my "shit list" anyway.

The airlines used that catastrophe as an excuse to reduce the size of their fleets (thus lowering maintenance costs), increased the costs of both domestic and international flights, started torturing passengers when one the planes had a mechanical issue - where some passengers have to wait at the gate over 12 hours before a substitute plane can be found, started canceling flights because not enough of their seats were full 10 minutes before boarding leaving passengers stranded, and, as a whole, customer service went completely down the tubes.

I imagine Charter Planes and private jets will reap the harvest as time moves forward. At least they know how to smile, serve meals, and hand out pillows.

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"where some passengers have to wait at the gate over 12 hours before a substitute plane can be found, started canceling flights because not enough of their seats were full 10 minutes before boarding leaving passengers stranded, and, as a whole, customer service went completely down the tubes.

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You’ve never flown with RYANAIR have you!

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Puerto Vallarta

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I googled that, not being familiar with Latin American destinations.
The following pic is from the Wikipedia site, but I had to downsize it to meet the 800 pixel width limit.

Positives: Must be some kind of gay beach, as there are near zero females.
Negatives: No cute skinny Asians. Very few cute skinny people of any race.

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Originally Posted by goji

I googled that, not being familiar with Latin American destinations.
The following pic is from the Wikipedia site, but I had to downsize it to meet the 800 pixel width limit.

Positives: Must be some kind of gay beach, as there are near zero females.
Negatives: No cute skinny Asians. Very few cute skinny people of any race.

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goji,

It's been years since my last visit to Puerto Vallarta, but remember some of the Mexican boys hanging around the gay bars being slim pretty boys (my type). All the action was (is) on Zona Romántica where the gay friendly hotels and bars are located. There was (is) also a gay beach within walking distance of my hotel. Unless things have changed, checking ID cards is a must, as many of the boys are of questionable age. At the time, it wasn't uncommon for a young boy to confront you trying to sell marijuana...and, in the event you didn't want to buy any, he would then ask you if you wanted a blowjob.

If by chance you're considering going there, you'll definitely want to do your research, as the information I just provided is very dated.

For this (not so posh) Glaswegian I'm afraid it will be Hamelldaeme this winter. Too much can change that I don't think it's worth the risk this year. This will be my first winter here for about 20 years and I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to it.