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i was just thinking if my bf will have any trouble at the airport,
i bought him his ticket, he is flying with air asia, SR to BK
Its his first time, leaving cambodia, and he is worried if the poice will stop him, he is coming to thailand to meet me for 2 weeks then we are flying back to cambodia together.
Has any board members flown there bf into thaialnd?
does any one know of any problems he might face??
thanks for any help
paperboy
some airlines require you to have the credit card used to buy the ticket when you check in. I don't know if Air Asia does that or not.
I don't know why police would stop him. Cambodians travel to Thailand all the time. From the 2 seconds of research I just did it looks like Cambodian citizens are allowed 14 days visa-free entry into Thailand as long as you have a passport, confirmed travel itinerary and apparently some sort of proof of funds and accommodations. (not sure how stringent that last requirement is, lots of countries say travelers need those things but I've never been checked) http://cambodia.siam-legal.com/
thanks
I don't know about that exact route (or air travel), but my current guy is from Laos, and has been basically living here for the past 7 months. Only thing I can say is ensure your guy has an address and phone# of where he'll be staying in Thailand, otherwise they will refuse him entry. Happened to Leo first time he tried coming here at least.
Aside from that first time, he's never had an issue crossing the border. They've never once asked for proof of finances, or anything. One time he got a VISA from the Thai embassy, but aside from that has always just came in under 30 day exempt stamps, as he never stays more than 30 days anyway.
still waiting for him to get denied entry for staying more than 6 months in one year, but hasn't happened yet. Maybe things are more lax for Asean citizens. So far though, he just says he'l coming to visit his "faen" (boyfriend / girlfriend), and no issues thus far.
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Yes, you are right and he has not much to fear. In that old place I used to stay was also a Lao ladyboy working and he went ev. 30 days (his family lives in Savannakhet-s thats just over the river by bridge from MUkdaharn) and tells Thai immigr. he has a ''farang friend to take care me''. Thats enough-his work as such is illegal.
Just the other day I had an awesome Khmer in a massageshop-he came to Th working as a yaam at the Mall untill a customer pointed him to that shop for better pay/work. He FLIES AirAsia ev 2 month to Pnom Penh-getsa Thai tourist visa for a whopping 60 US or 2000 THB (double the rate-in fact its free for now), so that totals some 5000 bt in expense at least. His family lives some 200 kms-6 hrs by bus-away from PnPenh, so he does not gets to see them often.
Oh-AirAsia does NOT want you to show the cred cd usd for booking-all those small agencies that provide the service-for their own fee-to the thousands of customers not holding such cards. You can in TH also book online or fone and get a nr with to pay at the 7 in a certain limit.
Yes, some other Asean airlines can indeed be quite nasty due to the horrendous crd crd fraud they encounter, but there is always a way to have them check beforehand about it.
The only low cast carrier to ask for my credit card was Nok Air - and I had taken the wrong card to Don Mueang with me. The buggers had me purchase a new ticket at a much higher fare. I did get the original one refunded but can't recall how long that took.
My underline. Can you say this in English?Quote:
Originally Posted by pong
I dunno about ur BF having trouble with the police but a few years ago my BF had problems with Air Asia on a ticket I'd bought him because at check-in he (obviously) could not produce the credit card which was used to buy the ticket.
Bottom line he got denied boarding, and with no refund.
No doubt you've thought of this.
ohhh, ive not thought about this, does anyone think , just beter put him on a bus.
The thing is, we are flying to the islands for a weeks holiday together, and i cant have him arriving a day late.
i think i will send Air asia a email and ask them
thanks everyone for the help
I have looked at Air Asia's Terms and Conditions. Seems they have changed their policy. There is nothing I can see stating presentation of the original credit card is now required. All it says is this -
7.1 Right to refuse carriage: We may refuse carriage of you or your baggage for reasons of safety or if, in the exercise of our reasonable discretion, we determine that . . .
k. the credit card by which you paid for the fare has been reported lost or stolen;
But best to doubtle-check directly with the airline. I checked also with Nok Air. For non-Thai issued credit cards, it still requires presentation of the card used for booking at check-in.
"My emphasis"Quote:
Originally Posted by christianpfc
If you afraid what he will refused to enter to Thailand in Bangkok, then you can arrange his travel by land via Poi Pet. Tickets to bus to Poi Pet are about $10, taxi to border from Siem Reap is $30 per car. There are huge market on Thai side in PoiPet, many thousands of Cambodians are crossing border in both directions for market, and even don't need travel passport to cross for them - ID is enough.
At Thai side right after border is located taxi stall with fixed price 1900 baht to any place in Bangkok or 2200 to any place in Pattaya. Bus station isn't far also, tickets are cheap.
I accept what you say Fountainhall (and it may be that the rules have changed in the interim) but where the person presenting themselves at check-in has a completely different name and obvious nationality from that which was on the credit card which paid for the flight, it might be a different matter (or not)
I would recommend contacting Air Asia just to be sure as it was a very embarassing and frustrating incident. The financial cost was around £100 so it wasn't a fortune but the whole scenario is best avoided.
I can assure everybody I'm not making it up!
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You don’t have a history of making things up/ deliberately posting misleading information scottish-guy. So, I for one, take you at your word when you post information. It honestly never crossed my mind that the contents of your post were anything other than factual.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish-guy
just got confirmation from Air Asia, that THEY DONT, ask for card of payment, I explained my situation, and confirmed, my bf will not have a problem, . So ive just booked him on a flight, 55$, job done
I have used Air Asia a great deal in the past, usually when they have one of their seat sales for flights 6 months to a year ahead. These are, within Thailand at least, cheap enough to throw away if I don't need them. I have noticed that the 'credit card fee' has become increasingly a source of revenue for Air Asia and, in their recent sale, they wanted Bht350 for flights costing Bht2400. Almost 15% is taking the Mick so I viewed other payment options. They charge only Bht107 if you pay through 7-11, which I would visit anyway. If you are in doubt use 7-11; no credit card can be asked for since none was used. Also of note, Air Asia are steadily increasing the cost of bags in the hold.....
On the the other hand, flights bought almost a year ago during an Air Asia sale, CNX - URT, compare very favourably in price with CNX - USM on Bankok Airways. About 15% of the Bangkok Airways price, with more convenient timings and direct to Surat. I guess that you can charge as much as you can get away with if you own the Airport!
FH said
'But best to doubtle-check directly with the airline. I checked also with Nok Air. For non-Thai issued credit cards, it still requires presentation of the card used for booking at check-in.'
Interesting, every year I fly from DMK to the South at least a couple of times on Nok Air. But I was never asked to present my credit cards. (My cards are not Thai issued of course). I can remember other airlines at times asked for CCs. Cannot remember which airlines (AirAsia could be one of them but could not be sure).
Whilst I'm aware of the instruction that you must have the credit card the booking was made with I think I can only recall every being asked for mine once and that was quite a long time ago now.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish-guy
I believe a few airlines ( Easyjet / BA / Ryanair etc and maybe a few others too) now give you the option when booking to tick a box saying "I'm booking this ticket for someone else" or words to that effect - actually I used that very option just yesterday in fact on a Ryanair booking I made for one of my staff with no further issues). I'm assuming that that then allows them to add in some extra security check to their booking process or suggests at risk the risk of same being undertaken and so putting off fraudsters or whatever or maybe just flags up to their staff to do a quick extra double check on the person travelling perhaps. So, maybe worth looking out to see IS that tick box option on Air Asia's booking site now too ?
EVA used to ask to see your credit card.
That requirement disappeared from their terms last year, for people using "verified by Visa", but unfortunately it has now made a reappearance.
I consider it to be bloody stupid and inconvenient. In the event my credit card got stolen, it would be very inconvenient & potentially expensive if they stuck to their guns.
Likewise Goji re stupid and inconvenient as somehow I've ended up with WAY too many credit cards and literally depending where I am ( office or home etc) or what cards just happen to be in my wallet ( as I do empty it if heading off somewhere so as not to carry / loose too many) the chances of me both remember which card I used to MAKE the booking and then also having that same card in my wallet at some random airport desk maybe 6 months later is usually NIL. As I said thankfully I've only been asked once ( and didn't have it but was able to prove my identity and it was a small local airport so I was allowed to travel. I'm not sure just how much it's actually helping stop crime anyway these days as now the fraudsters can literally print and indent themselves off a basically perfect copy of whatever card they wish within seconds of buying the stolen card details anyway.
I totally agree. And I wonder what is the point of such requirement. The cost of the ticket is transferred to the airline at the point of sale. A card which has been stolen is normally reported hours later - perhaps a day at most. That is the only window in which a card could be fraudulently used. But my understanding is that there is no way the airline can be asked to repay those funds. The fault is with the thief. Anyone know if this is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by goji
I can tell you that if a business processes and is paid an amount by the credit card company and it transpires that is was a fraudulent transaction then absolutely the credit card company reserve the right and DO reclaim the monies paid to that firm instantly from that firms existing credit card balance account with them. - and that claw back can take place anytime up to I think 12 months from the time of the fraudulent purchase !!
This is achieved as a direct result of the pre agreed terms and conditions that the card company puts on a company when they sign up to become a "merchant" via the card company merchant agreement to enable you to operate their credit card payment processing machines etc - I know this from ( almost sore) personal experience where my company ended up being VERY close to being scammed, but thankfully we simply were able to spot and so avoid the fraud in the first place so it didn't become an issue, but it absolutely could have - and this has now happened on numerous occasions too.
My other amazing discovery from that process was that credit card theft seems to be such a MASSIVE thing now and on such a huge scale that the credit card companies themselves have all but given up ACTUALLY chasing the small amounts of fraud ( and I mean say up and around £5000 - £10000 + or more even there !) and they simply try to block the card mainly to limit their exposure, but aren't interested in ACTUALLY doing anything proactive to CATCH the fraudsters.
I was told this directly from the horses mouth from a guy in their very own fraud department after giving them a sure way of physically catching a guy at an address who was trying to scam my company out of nearly £9000 and in the security fraud guys own words they simply weren't interested as the amounts involved just weren't high enough to bother as they'd much bigger fish to fry every day !
Apparently ( again in his words) if the general public knew the TRUE scale of credit card fraud we would all stop using our cards / such dangerously unsafe things in a heartbeat, meanwhile as we aren't doing that the card companies are happy to just continue playing the numbers game, whilst keeping their losses down to the bare minimum but still making a killing from the rest of us at the same time it seems - or so he claimed anyway and from watching them having written off I'm sure close to £100k of attempted dodgy purchases now in my company alone I am inclined to believe him.
Most airlines in the Philippines and even major ones such as EVA Air state that you must present the Credit Card used to purchase the Ticket when checking in. But they allow you to send a PhotoCopy of the Front and Back of the Credit Card to be shown by the person traveling. So I would definitely contact AirAsia about their requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish-guy
I am sure you are correct, and the process may have changed in recent years. But I vividly recall having once to go to court on this issue. An informal client of mine - in that there was no agreement - lived in Australia. Unknown to me and my staff, and as it turned out his friends, he was a con man. He came to stay with one of his friends in Hong Kong and we had a brief meeting. Two days later, his friend, whom I did not know, contacted me. Did I know where he was? I hadn't the faintest idea. Turned out he had stolen the friend's HSBC credit card, purchased a first-class round-the-world ticket, forged the signature and then quickly left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirish guy
A day or so later, I received an official notification that HSBC had put a lien on my company account to the amount that had been charged to the card. It only took a few minutes to persuade the Court that we held no funds belonging to that jerk or that we had any responsibility for his actions. The lien was immediately withdrawn. But I believe this guy's friend was not reimbursed by VISA.
I am not surprised that there is so much credit card fraud now. You only have to look at the procedures the banks take before they approve a charge. Over the last couple of years I have to get a PIN sent to my mobile phone to be added to any internet purchase before that purchase is complete. And this covers all my cards - except ironically the one issued by HSBC!
Yes as I'd mentioned I too have nearly found myself on the wrong side of their charging policies on several occasions now, with the most annoying part of each of the situations being me fcalling up their authorisation centre for an authorisation number to "guarantee" the card / sale etc but me then flagging up to them my gut belief ( based on a few facts as to the type of products being ordered which are preferred by con men) that an almost definite fraudulent purchase was being attempted here, only them to be GIVEN the authorisation number and being told I could proceed with the sale as the card checked out etc.
I then insisted on speaking to their fraud team, explained the situation and the informed me that I was probably correct but that the card in question hadn't actually been reported stolen or skimmed YET but that they fully expected it to be in the next few hours or days based on their own monitoring of it's use in the last few hours. I then asked "so why the hell authorise the sale to my staff !" and that's where he explained that the authorisation process is basically worthless in these circumstances as they would probably go ahead and authorise until reported stolen as "why wouldn't they as of course THEY weren't liable for the costs of the goods fraudulently ordered as they would simply debit the money from my credit account with them ( or sue me for it) anytime up to a year later IF i decided to proceed with the sale etc". I did point out that I was doing all possible to ensure the card was genuine by calling them AND them going ahead and authorising the sale etc, but that it seems meant and was worth nothing !
Then as I mentioned above I was able to give them a specific time and address where this con man had agreed to physically collect the large volume of goods from us ( our courier) but they simply weren't interested. This same story has now played out well over 10 times with us and now unless WE are 100% happy with a purchase we just don't even attempt put it through.
Accordingly to get to that end point and make that decision we have to "play" the customer and get their card and order details first etc, meaning I actually have around 15-20 sets of full card details, complete with card number, security number and expiry date etc lying around my desk at any given time complete with their preauthorised credit limits that I know I could use / process , meaning that if I was that was inclined I could use to pick up the phone and book a flight to ANYWHERE in the world ( just like your ex-friend did!) - the only difference being that I'm such an unlucky sod I'd probably get stopped in the UAE or somewhere and have my hands cut off for stealing and jailed for life for fraud most probably !!
I thought I was the only one to suffer this sort of idiocy! 18 months ago the security department of Citibank in Hong Kong called me asking that I change my card because one of their European offices fully "expected" it to be used illegally in the near future. I thought WTF! I hadn't been in Europe for some months. I told them I didn't want to change the card since I had airline tickets and hotels booked using it. But I hadn't actually used it for anything for at least 2 months. I was then informed I could keep it but should check daily for unauthorised transactions. So I ended up agreeing to get a new card. But like Nirish I totally fail to understand how on earth does a card company "expect" a card to be hacked. Do the hackers just take a random set of numbers and then have a computer generate all the following numbers in a matter of seconds until it comes up with a genuine card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirish guy
Late last year, I had another card issue with the same bank. I booked a 5-night hotel stay on hotelscombined using the card. I use hotelscombined a lot because it combines at least a dozen search engines into one page. I selected the lowest price from a company named Happy Rooms which I had not used before. After clicking purchase there was an extremely long delay. After about 3 minutes a message came on the screen to say there had been a problem and I should check to make sure I had received an email confirmation. If not, the booking had not gone through and I should make it again. After 20 minutes, no email. So I did as I was told. Once again, the same message and no email. Wondering what to do, Citibank Security phoned. They had noticed two bookings to the same merchant. Had I authorised them? Very slowly and clearly, I told them I had authored just one and should only be billed for one. I then had them reconfirm this. Soon I had two booking confirmations in my email's in box and eventually two transactions on my credit card. I exploded with Citibank who merely waffled and basically told me I had made the bookings and I was responsible for them!
The next day I noticed that the company with which I had made the booking on the hotelscombined site was no longer listed. I searched around and discovered it had been banned from hotelscombined because of dodgy practices whereby it would confirm one hotel but then put the customer into a lesser hotel on arrival. Even after it had repaid one of my bookings, I remained concerned as to whether the hotel I had booked would actually receive the booking. I checked, and it had. Since I had stayed there several times, they agreed to inform me if anything happened to that booking (e,g, Happy Rooms did not pay them by the due date). Nothing did and it all worked out in the end. It just made me decide not to go after the cheapest rate if it was a company I had not used satisfactorily before.
Cost-benefit analysis by the banks has shown that any benefits outweigh the costs, however much your own moral outrage might be triggered. The same is true for household burglary insurance claims. Insurance companies generally pay out based on the original receipt plus a police incident number that you quote them. And the police themselves? In at least one major Australian city they run an incident room staffed by cheap civilians whose sole job it is to record burglaries on the computer and hand out incident numbers. No actual police intervention required - apart from the handful of cops who are stressed from beat duty and have been seconded to "supervise". Don't blame the cost of your household insurance on the insurance companies - they're just pushing the cost down to you. It's the way of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirish guy
I have twice now purchased Air Asia tickets for a friend in Siem Reap to join us on holiday in Bangkok. The first time he flew alone and it was his first airline trip. He was not asked for the card and arrived without difficulty. We did however take the time to show him how to correctly fill in a Thai arrival card so he would have no problems.
On booking the Air Asia trip I used the Air Asia Big Points rewards and have his name listed on Friends and family listing and deselect "I am travelling" . I then process payment on my card
If it helps anyone, apparently staying more than 6 months in 12 months is no issue for ASEAN citizens at least. Leo just showed up again tonight, and I think I'm sure has reached the 6 month mark by now. He's been here since sometime in July, generally only spends 3 or 4 days in Laso, although one time spent 3 weeks there during the harvest season as he was needed on the family farm.
Nonetheless, that should still put him over the 6 month mark by now, and he was able to cross back into Thailand without issue.
On other issue that has just occurred to me about people needing to show the card a flight was booked with etc is that with the advent of iPhones etc and your cloud now remembering your card details and you just select the card you want to use and only have to enter the security number I very rarely now ever even physically have the card I use to make my bookings at all and it could well be lying in my safe at home or work and hasn't seen the light of day in months or longer.
Actually there's many time when getting a refund back for some reason when I'm told the many has to go back to the same card and I have to ask THEM which type of card was used and the last four numbers to have any chance of narrowing it down as to which card I'd selected at the time and I'm guessing I'm not the only person who uses their drop down menus now for this purpose.
So, it might be interesting to see just how long the "card present" rule will remain for as I know at least one of my cards, aside from the numbers being added to my phone is now swipe contactless and I only have a digital image ( picture) of that card on my phone which I'm guessing would take a fraudster all of 30 seconds to recreate.