All of me

I saw in another forum that "all of me" in Sunee Plaza is making an effort to make everyone welcome, etc.,,etc...... OK, after 25 trips to Thailand since 1987 this will only be my second trip to Pattaya. Which I have fallen for - BUT, a big but - last year I did not make it to Sunee. I planned to do so this year - perhaps , my first night - June 1.

But explain to me, please, how "everyone is welcome" works when one of the promotions requires, " at least one Thai in the party." Yeah, OK it is Thai night out - got that part. But, this is a bar not a museum - it's fine with me that Thai spend less to get into their national museums than I do. But a bar? Not feeling the love .

There has to be a reason for me to leave Boyz Town, go right past Toy Boys and Funny boys and walk over there - this won't do it. I rush to say I go out alone, probably don't need any kind of promo - but, honestly do you need to advertise how welcome I am and then begin to list the ways I'm not?

Where did you see this? On GB there is a post about this but no mention of duel pricing,

"Duel Pricing"?

If the customer wins the duel, I guess the bar tab is ripped up?

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"duel" vs dual - good one. Yes, GB scroll down where they list the type of promotions and you will get to "Thai night" fare enough stated. But, if I pay more as a lone Farang then they don't get my business . In fact, last trip I was very loyal to Toy Boys because the manage bought me free drinks as the evenings would go on - that is how one runs a bar!

Paborn, don't be such a jerk. The 700 Baht "set" is for a bottle to be shared with at least one Thai, just ask one of the staff to participate if you can't find another Thai of your own.. Do you want to drink it all yourself? All of Me offers a number of other specials including reduced prices for happy hour before 9 pm. Point is to have some fun and not act like some sort of sourpuss which you are coming across as. Better you stay in Boyztown and spare the rest of us your parsimony and your presence.

Paborn, while you're busy being critical of the one of the few bars actually trying to do some different things to make the bar more of a fun place to be, notice that the "Thai Night" event doesn't begin until 10pm. I suppose I should have made it clear, but I thought it was obvious - for that event he's not especially trying to attract farang. He's experimenting. Maybe it will work and maybe it won't. But so far he's been succeeding. Don't take my word for it. Next time you're in Sunee Plaza, see for yourself which beer bar is getting significantly more business than most of the other beer bars.

He's putting on that event mainly for the Thai boys, which is why if a farang wants to go, he needs to bring at least 1 Thai boy with him in order to get the discount. I don't know of any other Pattaya gay bar that has ever staged an event with the priority being attracting Thai boys. That's why he's calling the event "Thai Night."

If that offends you, rather than complaining about it here, which isn't going to do you any good, and grousing because nobody is offering you free drinks, I suggest contacting him, letting him know it offends you, and letting him know why you won't be going.

hee...arent we all getting on in life...all thats left is to moan, groan and complian...a bunch of mildrews we have here.

First, the one thing that I hate about all of the forums is that everyone takes bitter offense. It is a good idea to attract Thai boys; I used to have arguments with friends who owned bars in Santo Domingo telling them that they need to bring the boys in even if that meant giving them some free beer. I also thought that I was clear that I travel alone and would, probably, not be able to take part in any promotion and did not care. There is, to me, a big difference between giving a discount to Thai guys as a positive and not giving to someone else which is, easily, seen as a negative.
Also, I did not "grouse" about free drinks - never asked for one and was merely pointing out that good bar keeps do that for repeat customers all over the world.
finally, I echo the thoughts of a lot of posters here over the years - Thai lads in your party are with YOU and I do not approach them so I fail to see how this helps travelers like me. I might well drop by the bar to see how is is shaping up; just not that night too many years in NYC corporate marketing and sales not to think a negative promotion to be ill advised.

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Originally Posted by francois

Paborn, don't be such a jerk. The 700 Baht "set" is for a bottle to be shared with at least one Thai, just ask one of the staff to participate if you can't find another Thai of your own.. Do you want to drink it all yourself? All of Me offers a number of other specials including reduced prices for happy hour before 9 pm. Point is to have some fun and not act like some sort of sourpuss which you are coming across as. Better you stay in Boyztown and spare the rest of us your parsimony and your presence.

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Francois, while I think I'm right about the negative vs positive way to promote. I do take your point and hate that I came off so "negatively" myself and apologize

I'm a little confused. It's Sunee Plaza. There's a Thai guy about every 5 feet willing to go with you to get drunk. Just grab one who has a nice ass, and off you go for a good night. :)

If it's really that upsetting for you, then I guess vote with your wallet, and avoid the bar. Personally, if I was whoring around in Pattaya without a BF or anything, I wouldn't mind that promotion. I'd probably grab a cutie from one of the go-go bars, and head there for the promotion. Simply because better chance of more Thais in a party mood being there, so he doesn't end up being bored stiff, staring at the wall.

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Originally Posted by francois

Do you want to drink it all yourself?

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What? You don't pound back 750ml of whiskey straight from the bottle, just like a beer?

A discount on booze if you bring a Thai boy. I'm just wondering where they'll park the coaches when NIrish pitches up?

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Originally Posted by cdnmatt

What? You don't pound back 750ml of whiskey straight from the bottle, just like a beer?

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Only drink wine and after a 750 ml bottle I then post snarky comments on the forums.

I'm with Gaybutton on this. Kudos to the owner for getting off his arse and having a go. If it works, great. If not, try something else.

All of Me is my favourite bar in Thailand - and that's coming from someone who isn't even a drinker. Cute, friendly staff and reasonably priced drinks. What's not to like?

I wish the owner the best of luck with his new plans.

Last time I was in Allofme there was a 50bt surcharge for boy drinks. Does this still apply? It was cheaper to buy a boy drink in Eros (and more fun)

All of the boy drinks I have paid for were at All of Me Two which is same ownership as All of Me One, but drink prices for boy drinks same as regular price. Drink prices at All of Me 80/90 Baht; Eros about 130 Baht but much different venues.

Yes, pennyboy, I found I was paying more for the guys' drinks. But I guess that's just their tip. I think the guys in Eros get 20 baht for each drink the customer buys them.

Allofme is trying to keep the lights on in Sunee Plaza and doing a good job..lots of host boys.
Over in Boyztown , Oscars has been doing a very good job with many promotions, lots of host boys
and a friendly farangs owner. The 3rd floor is a brilliant move and ideal for checking out
a prospective 'off' and see what you're getting or just for a quickie.
It's sad to see how dead some formerly great bar beers are doing. Come-in used to overflow
with host boys and the bar was fun.

I think I'll make one more apology seeing that people who are far more familiar with Sunee are OK with this I admit I may have over reacted and will check the place out. First, I was not aware that this was a beer bar. That does make a difference as I can see the need to make Thai guys more familiar with the place - still not convinced that this is the best idea but - who am I to judge as the other promotions seem fine. By the way, the website does not stay - is this a place for freelancers or are there "hosts" and an off system in place. I do like the early opening ( still 6pm?? ) and the foot massage

Don't worry, it's Sunee Plaza, you can pretty much off everyone. :) I haven't been to Pattaya in years, so I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but although you can off the waiters, they also get to choose who they go with. The guys who work on stage in a go-go bar don't get a choice, and have to go with whoever forks over the off fee. Whereas guys like the waiters and doormen can say no if they want.

Wouldn't worry much. As long as you're a nice guy, dress decently, and don't stink to high heaven, you can off pretty much whoever you want in Pattaya -- waiter, hairdresser, taxi driver, phone salesman, whoever. If they're young, cute, from Issan and working a shit job, there's a good chance you can off them.

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Originally Posted by cdnmatt

The guys who work on stage in a go-go bar don't get a choice, and have to go with whoever forks over the off fee.

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Ok, I'll correct you. The idea that go-go boys have to go with anybody who wants to take them off is a myth. It is simply not true. If a boy doesn't want to go off with somebody, he doesn't have to. The boys are not slaves. I've seen boys reject offs before. I've even seen them refuse to sit with a customer. It's rare, but it does happen. Usually, when it does happen, it's someone who has taken the boy off before and abused him or gave him practically nothing for a tip.

In most cases the bars are supportive of the boy if he doesn't want to go off with a customer. There are some total piece-of-shit mama-sans still in existence and they might try to pressure the boy, but the boy can refuse.

Some people are under the impression these boys will do virtually anything for money. Not true.

The boy 'grapevine' is something to behold. If there is a customer who is bad news, the boys in all the local bars know about it before the rejected customer even walks out the door.

Besides, what kind of moron would even want to take a boy off if the boy is making it clear he doesn't want to go with him?

I don't know, you'd know more than me. I haven't been to Pattaya is over 5 years I think, and last time I was there I was still quite young, slim, clean cut, and good looking, so maybe they'd begin refusing to go with me now. I think I still look half decent, but age is definitely starting to take it's toll, lol. :)

Anyway, thinking back to my times there, I've talked to several go-go boys turned waiters / hosts who said they like being a host better, because they can choose their customers. I guess they meant they have more control when choosing their customers, whereas there's more pressure on the go-go boys?

I rarely off gogo boys but the few that I have have all very happily agreed to sit and go off with me; I always check with the mamasan before I summons the gogo over if he is a bottom, after that once he sits with me and i've bought him an over priced drink he's my property.
As for host bars, yes the process is different in that you kinda have to chat the MB up and negotiate directly with him, often its actually cheaper. But not as value for money as grindr or street trade.

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Originally Posted by cdnmatt

last time I was there I was still quite young, slim, clean cut, and good looking, so maybe they'd begin refusing to go with me now.

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Unless a person has leprosy or something, I don't think looks have anything to do with it. Bar boys are certainly well aware of how aging farang look. I think rejecting an off has more to do with how the boy is treated by the farang. Again, seeing a boy reject a farang is rare, but every time I've seen a boy do that, it was with a farang who had taken him off before and had mistreated him.

One of the most outrageous examples I remember happened at the old Kaos bar in Sunee Plaza. That bar is long gone, but back in the "Golden Years" of the go-go bars a boy I particularly liked, June, was one of the go-go boys. One farang came into the bar almost nightly. He always called June over to sit with him. This man would always sit there publicly groping the boy and exposing him. I knew June hated it, but he would sit with him anyway. This farang would always flash a wad of money. June would sit with him for at least a half hour. The farang, despite flashing his wealth, would always tip June a grand total of a whopping 20 baht.

I asked June why he would sit with this guy at all. June said he needs the money, even if it's only 20 baht.

Then the farang finally made an arrangement with June. He didn't take June off. He told June to come to his room the next day at 2:00pm. June had to take a motorbike taxi to get to where the farang was staying. When he got there and knocked on the farang's door, the farang opened the door, told June he already has a boy, and slammed the door in June's face. The farang didn't even give him the taxi fare. He gave the boy nothing.

That same night the farang showed up at the bar and actually had the gall to signal June to sit with him again. I was there and saw it. June had already told me the story of what happened that afternoon. When the farang signaled him to come over, this time June told him to go fuck himself - in those words. That didn't even bother this farang. He tried to call another boy over, but by this time the boys all knew the story and had seen how this guy was treating June when he would sit with him. That boy refused to sit with him too. The farang angrily left the bar. That was the last time I ever saw him.

The nerve...how dare those gogo boys refuse...

Falangs sometimes forget that Pattaya is small place; the guys on the scene live, predominantly, in three or four areas of the city. Sometimes they've known each other since school days. And they talk....often about us.

CDMatt. GB is absolutely right about the boys, they don't have to go with anyone they don't want to. And I have never heard of a boy refusing to go with a customer because he was not young and attractive. I have heard many times how they refuse to go with middle easterners and Indians for many different reasons. Money, personal hygiene etc.

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

The nerve...how dare those gogo boys refuse...

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Yes, just terrible! Next time, give the boys a better tip. And stop slamming your door in their faces . . .

damn peasants...I blame MTV...they know how we live....its given them something to aspire to. What next ??They all want cold coke and KFC too.

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Originally Posted by paborn

By the way, the website does not stay - is this a place for freelancers or are there "hosts" and an off system in place. I do like the early opening ( still 6pm?? ) and the foot massage

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There are both hosts and freelancers at All of Me and there is an off system in place; foot massage and body massage available at All of Me 2.

Tonite was the 'guess the number of polka dots on boys underpants'.
It turned out not to be polka dots but was fun as the two boys, Boss and Hack were
fun and playful. Two customers won a free drink. It was 20b. to play. It was fun.