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News of Pattaya's death has been greatly exaggerated!
Hi All
1 week back from a Thai trip and thought I should write a quick update before my news becomes old!
First job on return was (as usual) was to book the next trip... so now that the New Year flights are all booked up... my Post Pattaya Depression (PPD) has started to lift!
Following my last trip at Songkran i was quite critical of the bars... and rightly so - they were awful... however on this trip I found that a lot of them had turned things completely around... I even ended up offing a few guys... which is something I have rarely done on recent trips!
Yes the bars are bereft of customers, but they are full of handsome and eager staff all waiting for you to choose them... so news of Pattaya's Death has been greatly exaggerated!
Patatayland:
BBB:
First time ever my BF asked to go back to BBB 3 nights in a row... For me that says it all... He would normally balk at the idea of going in there at all =; =;
They have a great selection of guys there with something for everyone... The addition of the "coyotes" has really livened things up
The first show starts at 22.40 and finishes around 23.40 - and its cocks, cocks, cocks, B-boys, cocks
The second show is at midnight and is the B-Boys usual Tiffany Show,
I pity some of the rank-and-file gogo boys as they don't have much of an opportunity to get a customer in the 20 mins between the shows
Only negatives are that they have way too many waiters there getting in the way, and the old BBB herd could still do with some pruning of the 30/40s deadwood career gogo boys
Funnyboys:
As others have said another bar that has faded to a shadow of its former self, maybe only 10 boys there, but 1-2 cuties... One of which was in my Shopping basket for a long time... That itch has now been scratched and he was as good as I had hoped!
Toyboys:
Lots of cute guys working here, definitely the most well run bar in terms of attentive well behaved workers and good looking staff.
Seems they have a lot of guys from Laos and Cambodia and in my opinion the boys there are of a higher "class" than elsewhere
Most nights I was there I was offered a 2nd drink for free, which I mostly declined - as I don't like to stay any one place too long!
Offed 2 guys from TB, both great company in NAB, but one only so-so in bed
TB gets a lot of chinese/taiwan visitors
Dreamboys:
Their Aicon was not working every time I went in - but I stayed despite that
Not as many cuties as previously, but still enough for me to off 2 guys over the duration of the trip
Again one came home but the other was despatched home after a guy (who was obviously his BF) turned up in TumnanIssan and started throwing dagger eyes at us!
Cupidol:
Cupidol has regained some of its former glory and have around 25-30 boys working there, nice election and again a really well run bar.
Some people love Mamasan M, others hate him, I generally trust him to steer me right on a good boy.
Kawaii: probably my 3rd favourite bar in pattaya now (after BBB and TB = Joint top), around 15 boys and all very friendly and funny, good place to go if you want to have some fun joking with the boys, some real characters there!
Vassa:
Usual 8-10 boys, didnt really see anyone I liked on 2 visists
Abomb:
8-10 boys, all straight and hunky. Not my thing, but seems to get quite a few customers most nights
Sunee:
Powerboys:
as the usual mix of fem/straight boys, seems they have a new "superstar" now, gets offed multiple times per night, looks very young and fem, but I am told he is actually 22.
Niceboys:
Seems to have dispensed with their gay boys and it was all rough straights on my 2 visits.
Sunny Boys:
Is a shadow if its former self and only had a few boys on both my visits, disappointing
Eros:
Really needs to do something about the smell in the bar, spraying air freshner does not help disguise the fact that there is a smell of a dead rat in the place! It could do with a good steam cleaning!
Jomtien:
I passed through Jomtien Complex on several occasions - but never stopped, all of the bars were packed every time we drove past... with boys of course (not customers Saw some nice eye candy on the way!
NAB:
NAB not as packed as it used to be, except on the weekend nights.
It was noticeable that the majority of tables had customers from Either BBB or TB at them
The BBB and TB guys get the offs (as they get the customer numbers) and in turn have money for going drinking
On one occasion I was the only farang in NAB! Never thought I would miss the Russian queens!
Tumnanissan:
We went twice and both times Aircon was not working, it was way to stuffy ad all our gang felt sleepy being there (too hot)... so of course we had to hit NAB instead
Most of the dancer boys in Tumnanissan seem to moonlight on hornet/grindr by day - and then dance at night
I think with the closure of Idol and Dave - Pattaya is still definitely missing competition to the big 2 night venues... hopefully something will materialize before High Season!
APPS:
Hornet is definitely winning the battle of the gay apps
Gay/Planet romeo have shot themselves in the foot by removing the free Plus Mmeberhsip for thai - it is practically a ghost town there now
Grindr/Jack come nowhere near Hornet in terms of numbers online
Blue'd seems to be the up and coming new star - especially for finding Chinese/Taiwan guys
I am sure i have some other random thought from ast trip that i will post later
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Interestingly i saw an Indian guy haggle the price of a drink in BBB down from 250 to 150 at the door
So it seems that even in pattaya there is room for price negotiations!
He did end up in the worst seat in the place though, right at the back where the "disco" used to be.
Also had a few drinks in Copa - who have turned into an open fronted bar and done away with the gogo boys = whilst retaining the cabaret and swimming shows.
Some friendly guys working here and no longer having to compete with BBB on the price front, so some nice drink promotions
e.g. 6 shots for 350B - which went down a treat =P~ =P~
And for an open fronted place it was surprisingly cool inside with AC, so well done to teh owners on changing their business model to attract a new audience
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i would agree with you about Boyz town except that you didnt mention Panorama.We had some great nights there recently and it was very busy.
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Colmx
Very nice report. I visited most of the places you mentioned a few days a go except of Sunee which I see absolutely no reason to visit. So sad what it has become and what it was even 5 years ago.
I guess my only disagreement might be Cupidol . I have known M for years and he does not bother me one way or another.
There were in fact 26 boys all on stage when I visited but I thought they were some of the most unattractive boys M ever recruited. Compared to the boys he recruited for Dreamboys when it re-opened , it was night and day difference IMHO. and wonder what will happen with that street with all the boarded up buildings.I find that street to be in rapid deterioration
The removal of Orleans has left that corner pretty dark but for sure the original BT street is the 1 of the 3 streets that is not looking like time for a a complete do-over.
Toyboys has been doing a good job for quite some time and many of the Boys can be found on Romeo and Hornet.
I agree Hornet is really taken over but I see more boys on Romeo then ever. Plus membership never made much difference to the boys more for the farangs again IMHO. Never even heard of Blue'd so thanks for that.
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Great report. Will send Bucky into orbit with delirious excitement.
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Originally Posted by firecat69
Colmx
I visited most of the places you mentioned a few days a go except of Sunee which I see absolutely no reason to visit. So sad what it has become and what it was even 5 years ago
What a pity! :(
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Originally Posted by firecat69
Never even heard of Blue'd so thanks for that.
I have been using Blued recently and have over a hundred messages from China and only a few messages locally where I am travelling. Others may find it a useful app but to me it is time wasting. Maybe the Chinese are looking for a way to escape the homeland?
Besides that, an excellent report from Colmx and I will follow your and firecat69's recommendations next week when I visit Pattaya.
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Well written Pattaya boy bar review. Few of us write about the after hours club boy bars.
Boyztown is indeed live and well. There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
Two of the busiest, most successful boy bars in Pattaya are both strictly No Smoking.
Toy Boys and Boyzboyzboyz both have large groups of Chinese chain smoking customers, who get up
and smoke cigarettes outside. Bar owners who allow cigarette smoking don't get it..
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The busiest bar in Sunnee is Nice Boys and they allow smoking.
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thanks, great report, guess its all done to the luck of the draw, some days its quiet and others not.
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Thanks colmx.
It's nice to hear some positive comments for a change.
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Originally Posted by arsenal
The busiest bar in Sunnee is Nice Boys and they allow smoking.
Out of curiosity because I have not been there for quite some time, but last time I was there NiceBoys was certainly not busy and not even close to Eros on most nights.
Just wondering what others have noticed?
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Oh dear.....sad to see Eros only meriting a brief mention. :((
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Never fear, Eros is still alive and working his charms. Also Sunny Boys is more lively these days.
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Originally Posted by arsenal
Great report. Will send Bucky into orbit with delirious excitement.
I agree, great report. It's good to know that the bars are surviving and improving.
I only hope that I have half the success you have enjoyed.
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Originally Posted by catawampuscat
... There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
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Agree. They have one super cute boy there. Young, slim and handsome. The boys were in jeans but dancing and enjoying themselves. Worth a visit.
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Thank you very much for your report.
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Originally Posted by colmx
BBB: ... The first show starts at 22.40 and finishes around 23.40 - and its cocks, cocks, cocks, B-boys, cocks
The second show is at midnight and is the B-Boys usual Tiffany Show, I pity some of the rank-and-file gogo boys as they don't have much of an opportunity to get a customer in the 20 mins between the shows
In August, I was positively surprised with BBB's boys and first show. Did you sit through the second show? The first show was good, I want to attend their second show, but will skip if it's with ladyboys. Are there empty seats between the shows? When I went, it was full, no space to have a gogo boy sit next to me to ask him if he wants to go with me.
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Originally Posted by christianpfc
In August, I was positively surprised with BBB's boys and first show. Did you sit through the second show? The first show was good, I want to attend their second show, but will skip if it's with ladyboys. Are there empty seats between the shows? When I went, it was full, no space to have a gogo boy sit next to me to ask him if he wants to go with me.
We went back at different times on different occasions, but the bar def empties out after the first show and has a much smaller crowd for the midnight show
BTW - in my opinion you have no hope of getting any of the Coyotes (especially superstars like no.23) ST for 1000B, I don't think any boystown boy would accept less than 1500ST
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Originally Posted by catawampuscat
Well written Pattaya boy bar review. Few of us write about the after hours club boy bars...
I forgot to mention Pluag Mai and Tumnanchon - which we also visited
PM is one of my BFs favourite venues (its a live music place on 3rd road near the morlam field), for years they have been open fronted without Aircon - and i have been able to use the excuse "too hot" as a reason to not go there...
Unfortunately (for my excuses!) they have now fully enclosed the premises and Aircon'ed it... so I no longer have a reason not to go there!
Tumnanchon is still getting the crowds, similar to Pluag Mai it draws only a few gay visitors, most of them are non-Bar boy types... who can identified by the knowing looks etc
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Originally Posted by catawampuscat
Boyztown is indeed live and well. There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
I didnt realsie WWB was under new management... wonder have they done away with teh ridulous 250B drinks yet?
Pattaya Beer Garden
One other place I forgot to mention was Pattaya Beer garden on walking st
I know that Joe552 goes there quite often, but not sue if any other members of the board go there?
We went 2 times on last trip, not any gay customers that i could see, but BF and i like the atmosphere there
We usually go around 17.30 and get a nice seat out on the pier, great views of pattaay and the sunset, cheap beer (450B for 3 Litre tower), extensive menu of Thai and Farang food, clean toilets and friendly staff.
Fine dining it is certainly not, but its a very relaxing spot:
http://www.pattayabeergarden.com/
We usually head home at 20.00 fed and watered for a quick shower before heading out on the town!
And in case anyone is wondering... the beer garden... has no garden!
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Yea. Pattaya Beer Garden is a decent atmosphere on the water. Casual food and drinks. It's one of the very first places in Pattaya that accepts bitcoin, btw.
On my last little mini-trip to Pattaya, I was sad to see that Copa Showbar caved in to the competition's trend to make the entire bar open to the street; show and all. It really cheapens the place... and the show has really gone down in quality. I have always loved their shows. I've always gone almost every night that I've been in town.... every time. But now, it's just as bad as the others. Not worth going for. So sad. It's so bad, even Boyz Boyz Boyz show is probably more entertaining at this point... ( and I'm not into it either. ) I guess now you have to go to Tiffany or Alcazar to see a good show.... But those aren't the same. It's just not the same when the audience is bus loads of straight Chinese tourists. :( The Copa show used to be so great!
Anyway, only offed two guys. One from A Bomb who I'd had before. He was ok. My bf liked him more than I did. And later one from Funny Boy. He was a big disappointment. After we got back to the room ( 30 seconds later, at Ambiance ), he suddenly didn't want to bottom. Geez. I hate it when they lie about what they'll do. He was just awful and a waste of time. So bad that we didn't off any more boys until we got back home to Bangkok.
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Originally Posted by arsenal
The busiest bar in Sunnee is Nice Boys and they allow smoking.
Have to agree. I know many farangs that refuse to go to Nice Boys because of the heavy smoking. It's also
in dire need of new seating but word is the Thai owners aren't making money and getting desparate.
All of Sunee Plaza, boy bars and restaurants have been very quiet and slow for many months. Nice boys
marginally the busiest most of the time.
Last night, there were almost a dozen hot guys in Good Boys. All ready to show you what they got.
Many nights, just one or two boys.
Sunny Boys is better but still only 7-10 boys and few customers. Eros quiet as well and number of boys
varies greatly and usually few customers. Eros needs a thorough cleaning and the toilet is about the worst around.
The nicest and cleanest toilets are in Sunee Pl. are in Allofme and Allofmetoo.. The small cloth hand towels are a
nice touch.
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Originally Posted by catawampuscat
... There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
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Agree. They have one super cute boy there. Young, slim and handsome. The boys were in jeans but dancing and enjoying themselves. Worth a visit.
They'll need more than 4 boys to make a go of it. Of course, if you see what you like, you don't need a lot of boys
but most of us are spoiled by choice and like a dozen or more boys.
Magnum, did they have a show? They said one or two of the older well endowed boys would be doing a shower show.
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Originally Posted by catawampuscat
Magnum, did they have a show? They said one or two of the older well endowed boys would be doing a shower show.
I left early because my favourite boy was offed (waited too long). But I think they have a shower show as there is a shower on the left side of the stage.
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Yes. I only need 1 boy...... if it's the "right" boy.... ( which I've never seen in Sunee Plaza, by the way.... ever. ).
Also, I try to avoid all shows as much as possible... everywhere. They're almost always terrible.
Even the best ones ( Copa Showbar - not now, but before it's new renovation ), and Dream Boys in Bangkok ( gets old after you've seen the same show 1,428 times ).... are just not what I go there for.
If gogo bars had a drive-thru takeaway window, I'd be very happy. :-)
And the sex massage shops that offer outcall service charge absorbent rates.... Much more than the go go bars.
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What is an absorbent rate? HeHe
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Originally Posted by firecat69
What is an absorbent rate? HeHe
It's a rate that sucks. ;-)
I blame voice to text for all of my keyboard typing errors.
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bruce_nyc wrote:
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And the sex massage shops that offer outcall service charge absorbent rates.... Much more than the go go bars
The off fee for a take-home massage boy in Pattaya is 500 baht, which is actually the most economical piece of ass you can get. No drinks to buy at those inflated bar costs or arm-tugging mamasan's to contend with, and most (in my experience) are genuinely nice guys who are very willing to show their appreciation.
Most Pattaya massage boys (can't speak for Bangkok), spend 12 hours a day sitting on their asses watching the world go by, who really take delight in going off for the day, especially if they're with a jai dee farang who can show them a fun time. I routinely take this one boy off who loves going to the movie theater. I pick him up at noon when the massage parlor opens, whiz him off to Central Festival for a movie and a mid-day meal...then, we spend the afternoon...evening..and next morning...bouncing between the sofa and the bed. I've just spent half the amount that I would have if I were out all night on the bar scene, and enjoyed having more sex...and much better sex, in the process.
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That's True. When I lived in Pattaya I used to do that too.
In Bangkok, it's been my experience that the massage boys are not allowed to "off" and go home.... unless it's an outcall that was organized by the shop itself. And in that case they charge crazy high rates like 5000 or 6000.
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5,000 - 6,000 baht...that's beyond crazy.
Apparently, they prefer that their staff not go off.
Just one more reason that I prefer PTY over BKK.
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I know. It's so weird. Some even buy ads advertising "24 hours тАв outcall service" . But you call them and those are the rates you're quoted. 5000 baht. I think they're just trying to extort the maximum fees they think rich hotel tourists will pay. If one paid 5000 one time without complaining..... then that's the new rate for everyone every time. They need some great competition. Seriously!
( If I remember correctly, it was Urban Male and Senso that both advertised outcall service, and both quoted ridiculous rates. Probably I saw their ads on this page at one point: http://www.utopia-asia.com/bangmasa.htm )
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Colmx: It really isn't true that all Boyztown boys are demanding a minimum of 1500 Baht. The ones who do are usually those who are particularly good looking AND have a good few years experience. 1200 is a reasonable amount to pay for short time. However BBB boys perhaps consider themselves a cut above and so charge more although few of them are my type being old muscle Marys.
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The formula is you have the massage at the place of business and if the boy you selected is someone you want to repeat with, you get his phone number. And forever the massage establishment is removed from future liaisons .
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So far, *every* boy I've off-ed in Boyztown in the past few years has expected at least 1500 minimum. Some swear it's less. But the only way I can account for this discrepancy is that we must have different taste in boys.... and thus we are pursuing very different types of boys. And my "type" demands more. :-(
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Originally Posted by firecat69
The formula is you have the massage at the place of business and if the boy you selected is someone you want to repeat with, you get his phone number. And forever the massage establishment is removed from future liaisons .
I know. That worked for me many many times when I lived in Pattaya. But it's never worked for me in Bangkok for some reason. Even when I get the boy's number, he only seems interested in meeting me at the massage shop. It's so weird.
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If your preference are Muscular Bottoms then yes they are in short supply . But I seem to remember you mention your BF and you taking a boy. Then of course you have to pay more. Boy must service 2 people and he could care less how good looking your BF is. It's a Job.
Because of the influx of Chinese some of the Bars are trying to set the minimum at 1500. They would have no luck with me and I'd be willing to bet 95% of the boys will take less as long as you whisper it in their ears. Xmas , New Years different story. Demand goes up and boys can hold out for more.
ToyBoys good example of Bar trying to raise the minimum. I currently have 4 boys from ToyBoys in my list from Romeo. Each of which would be happy with an offer of 1000.
I actually applaud the Bars for trying to raise the rate as long as it is not the mama sans trying to get a cut. They deserve nothing more then their salary and a small tip maybe.
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Bruce: Well I suppose there are variables involved for example type of boy offed, length of time, expectations etc. Perhaps it's time for me to put it up to 1300 as underpaying the boys has never been my thing.
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I've never found a boy in Boyztown that would accept less than a minimum of 1500 for a short time. Well, not in the past 4 years. It is the 6-pack muscular bottoms, yes. And exceptionally handsome. But other than that, no special demands. By the way, when my bf goes with me, we say we want to off a boy only for me. Then later in the room, we can figure out if he's cool with my bf joining in.... or not.... or if he expects more. So far, I've never found a boy who had a problem with my bf joining in. If he performs very well with us both, I normally give him a little more than the minimum (1500 Pattaya/2000 Bangkok) anyway.
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Bruce: Yea, I have to agree with firecat. If you are offing for two then it's going to cost more. Even if you tell the boy it's only for you he's going to have an idea that this isn't entirely true because he's in this business 24/7 and so are all his colleagues/mates. I've never been turned down at 1200 but as I said, I think I'll put it up by 100.
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As a tourist, I find the apps to be exciting and fun. Not only do I get to find sexy and exciting guys, but I get to find guys that are as interested in me as I am with them. Sure I go to the gogo bars but I rarely off a gogo guy. I will sit with them, buy them a drink and just have a good time, but when the night is over and I head back to my room alone, I open my app and get a guy to come over and if I want more I open the app again and invite another guy to come over. In the morning while I am laying in bed, I can pick up my phone or tablet to have another guy come over before I have even set foot out of bed.
One surprising thing was that on my last trip there in April, I stayed near Jomtien Complex. I got back to my room when all the bars closed. Once I was in my room I fired up my app's and found many working guys online. A few wanted fun. I asked if they wanted fun for money or just for fun? Many said they just wanted to have sex fun and no money. I took one cute guy up on his offer and we had fun all night and into the morning. He refused taxi money stating that he lived in Jomtien Complex and would walk.
That was not the end of it. I chose to find out where he worked and visited his bar often to sit with him, buy him drinks and to tip him.
But what surprised me was the number of bar guys online after hours looking for sex without money.... It just goes to show me that people are people...
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Originally Posted by firecat69
Because of the influx of Chinese some of the Bars are trying to set the minimum at 1500. They would have no luck with me and I'd be willing to bet 95% of the boys will take less as long as you whisper it in their ears. Xmas , New Years different story. Demand goes up and boys can hold out for more.
I noticed that some of the chinese tourists in TB were paying the bar the boys tip as part of their bin (so pay for drinks, off, and tip at same time - and i presume the boy get his share before he leaves or on his return)
I know that some bars used to enforce this up front tip with russian and Indian tourists... So not sure if the Chinese guys were just trying to clear their debts in advance - or if the bar was making them do it.. or if a guide book advised them this
On the free drinks in Toyboys, of course its just a ploy to keep you longer and get more money
You buy your drink and then call a boy for a drink, manager gives you a free drink when you are nearly finished yours
As a result you feel kinda obligated to buy the boy another drink, net result is the bar gets an additional 220B for the price of your beer (35B) and the boys drink (65B)
And of course custmer leaves happy that he got a "free" beer!
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I'd be willing to bet that it was the bar forcing the Indian and Chinese customers to pay the whole thing in advance because they had already had so many Indian and Chinese customers try to stiff the boy.... or try to negotiate the tip down even more *after* their time together was over. Too many cheapskates or cheats, basically.