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Lose?
Lose??
Never!!!
Seen the latest polls? Where did that 30% "NO" lead go? :))
http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-casual-grenade/
The momentum is all one-way.
Result will be a YES vote of around 60-40 (unless Osborne makes another day trip to lecture us on what we can and can't do again - in which case it could end up more like 70-30)
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Seen the latest polls? Where did that 30% "NO" lead go? :))
http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-casual-grenade/
The momentum is all one-way.
Result will be a YES vote of around 60-40 (unless Osborne makes another day trip to lecture us on what we can and can't do again - in which case it could end up more like 70-30)
It must be excellent news for the Scottish banking system to hear you'll be leaving your vast wealth in a Scottish bank http://leonclifford.com/2014/02/19/woul ... ependence/
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Interesting opinion piece from Leon Clifford (who?) and I'm amused that you find it credible enough to quote it - but "opinion" is all it is and he's entitled to it however ill-informed it may be.
The minute I saw the words "Tartan Pound" I knew where he was coming from - a position of ignorance and arrogance, derived from subscribing to the little Englander mentality with its inherent racist overtones.
Since you see fit to quote him - what exactly are Leon Clifford's credentials? A search on Google brings up very little of substance and nothing that would encourage me to pay attention to a word he says. Where does he stand in the ranks of world renowned Nobel laureate Economists - like Sir James Mirrlees or Joseph Stiglitz (both of whom sit on the Scottish Government's Economic Advisory panel). Do tell.
Now, if you (like Mr Clifford) would rather "put your money" into a rump UK with ┬г1.6 TRILLION debt, an eye-watering deficit, a populist and racist immigration policy which limits potential growth of the Economy, a central bank which simply prints money to cover it all up, which stands to lose 30% of its lad mass and a minimum of 10% of its income along with one of the main assets that underpins much of the borrowing - than into an Independent Scotland which would be free of debt and in chronic surplus (assuming, as Leon Clifford opines, there will be no monetary union - thus consigning every rump UK business into paying transaction charges every time they conduct business in Scotland) I'd suggest you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face. But feel free my dear.
You might also want to take into account that failing banks are the responsibility of the Country they TRADE in rather than where they originate from (hence the bailing out of Barclays by the USA Govt rather than the UK Govt) - which totally nukes the argument coming from your so-called expert. You might also want to remind yourself that these UK Banks failed under UK regulation, and don't forget the one that kicked it all off - Northern Rock - which the UK Govt never seems to mention, because it doesn't fit with the anti-Scottish propaganda.
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SURFCREST - I was initially replying to Arsenal on this issue, but since Kommie has now entered the fray you might consider moving these exchanges to the Scottish Independence thread in Open Discussion forum. Wouldn't want to be accused of gatecrashing anybody's thread you know.
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SG: I think you can put your case for an independent Scotland without resorting to anti-English gutter stuff.
Do you really believe that the UK will let Scotland go with all the oil and no debt because I for one don't. Alex salmand has stated that Scotland could be full members of The EU within 18 months. Not if The UK blocks their entry you can't. You need to accept that even with a 'yes' vote there will be considerable negotiations to be completed. Who for example is going to be your head of state?
The possibility of using the pound has been taken away whatever Salmand says. The president of the EU said there are real problems for Scotland to join the EU and if HE says it then.....At some point in the future it will be made clear that HM Queen Elizabeth II will not reign over an independent Scotland. Other things will follow.
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First of all, I'm anti the UK state, not anti English/Welsh/or N.Irish
But let's address your specific points - on every one you are simply wrong:
1. "The UK won't let Scotland go" - The UK Govt is already committed through the Edinburgh Agreement to respect the result of the Referendum and, more importantly, to act in good faith to implement it in the event of a YES vote. In writing. Signed jointly by Cameron and Salmond. In front of TV cameras. Are you seriously saying they would renege on that?? Seriously??? It would precipitate an International crisis - Salmond would be off to the EU (5 million EU citizens denied their rights) and the UN (a democratically expressed desire for self-determination being thwarted), and world opinion would heap opprobrium on the UK. Absolutely no chance.
2. The UK blocking Scottish membership to the EU: Under the terms of the Edinburgh Agreement, Cameron can not do this and hey, THIS JUST IN, has today ruled it out:
http://news.stv.tv/politics/265247-d...eu-membership/
3. Head of State: Queen Elizabeth II will obviously remain Queen of Scots.
4. Using the Pound: sorry to burst your bubble, but even the Financial Times admits you can't stop us!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23adb32c-9...#axzz2uGsy2qmB
The pound sterling is a fully tradeable/convertable currency. We would prefer a currency union but (and this IS Plan B - you heard it here - SGT exclusive :)) ) the rump UK can go to hell in a handcart if they don't agree it, we'll use the ┬г anyway.
5. Barroso (who is NOT the President of the EU - only of the Commission which is subservient to the Parliament) has been backtracking for the past week - where have you been. He made a major blunder in his statements and in comparing Scotland to Kosovo (to gain Cameron's support for his bid to be the next Secretary General of NATO when he leaves his current post - see below) and has been publicly rebuked by the European Commission and by his own deputy.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politi...eputy.23525055
As mentioned above, Barroso will not be in post when any negotiations take place, he demits office in this Autumn - so his (disingenuous) view is immaterial. More significantly, Dr Fabian Zuleeg, Chief Executive of the European Policy Centre gave evidence to the Scottish Parliament on 20th February. Even the UK state broadcaster was forced to admit "European expert says vetoing Scotland's EU membership 'very difficult' "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/scotland-26272055
The Spanish Prime Minister has also said that Spain would not seek to veto an application from Scotland, before you toss that one in. So, the UK Govt have said they won't veto, and the Spanish have said they won't veto - so who do you imagine has a reason to use any veto?
And the over-riding factor - approx 5 million Scots are EU Citizens right now, and will continue to be EU Citizens immediately after a YES vote. As EU Citizens we have rights under ECHR laws which cannot be taken away as there is no mechanism to remove EU Citizenship (and no desire to create such a mechanism). The EU is about pragmatism and expansion, and a way will be found to accommodate Scotland - in the same way as 16 million East Germans suddenly became EU Citizens almost overnight, with a minimum of fuss.
6. Queen Elizabeth II is the Head of State of 16 sovereign countries including Tuvalu and St Kitts & Nevis. She is directly descended from Robert the Bruce and Mary Queen of Scots. Her mother was Scottish for Christ's sake! It is utterly inconceivable that given her sense of duty she would not wish to remain Head of State in an Independent Scotland. Given that the UK has no written constitution, there is nothing Cameron can do to prevent her accepting the role - nor will she.
NEXT!
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SURFY: Please move these exchanges to the existing Scottish Independence thread in Open Discussion forum.
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SG. Everything you say is conjecture. But if you think Alex Salmand is the man to lead you to the promised land then be my guest and follow him wherever he wants to go. But please, tone down the anti-English rhetoric. This is not the place for it.
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Why oh why is this on gay Thailand page. I come here to read about Gay Thailand not to enter into a political argument......there are many other sites I can do that
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They are limited where they can post now that Baht Stop is defunked.
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There was that poster not so long ago who claimed that a "gay" forum was no place to discuss politics. Yet here we are, happily discussing the future of a country best known for the fact that its menfolk wear skirts.
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I do not know what Stevehadders is moaning about - as a blind man can see, I personally asked Surfy to move these exchanges out of the Topman topic - and he now has.
So...whats the problem?
Kommy - see above - and additionally, if you think there is no politics involved in gay issues, what have some of us spent 30/40 years marching for?
I'll ignore the slur about kilts, it's very poor and very cheap "Daily Mail" type shit.
Contrary to your assertion, I could post a very long list of Scots academics, innovators, scientists, business tycoons, who have made major contributions to the world in very many different areas.
Arsenal - How come when I assert something it's "conjecture", but when you make assertions you expect them to be accepted as cast-iron fact and get pissed off when you're challenged on them?
I don't believe there is anti-English rhetoric in anything I've said - see the first sentence of my last post.
People who take the least criticism of the UK state so personally, clearly have a chip on their shoulder (sound familiar?)
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Mr Scotty. The only chips I have are those served with fish. I believe you attacked the English policy on immigration. However, millions have entered England over the last ten years or so and are entitled to all the benefits so that seems quite generous to me.
The only conjecture I mentioned was your head of state. Everything else (the currency, the EU membership) is a matter of public record. It would be very strange for an Independent Scotlnd to use the pound without a formal currency union, which all three Westminster parties say you won't get. A bit like a teenager demanding independence and pocket money at the same time.
And if other posters are unaware of Scotlands' contribution to the world thenI wouldn't bother trying to educate them. Just as Englands' contribution is immeasurable, which I am sure you would agree with, though perhaps through clenched teeth. (And a deep fried Mars Bar :)) )
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The difference is that I am unaware of any poster suggesting that the only thing England is known for is bowler hats and morris dancers - right?
So I think I'm entitled to respond to the "kilts" and "Deep-Fried Mars Bars" references.
I am happy to acknowledge that England has a long and proud history of innovation and much else besides.
Now, to your points:
1. There IS no "English policy on Immigration" - so how can I attack it. HELLO?
What I attack is a UK Immigration policy which is populist, racist, panders to Daily Mail and Telegraph readers, is designed for the South East of England and prevents the Economy from growing. You will not find any history of any support for the racist and xenophobic National Front, BNP, or UKIP in Scotland - their support lies in England whether you like to admit it or not.
2. It would not be at all strange for Scotland to use the ┬г without a formal currency union, but the panel of International economic experts including 2 Nobel laureates who are advising the Scottish Govt have said that a formal currency union is preferable and in the interests of BOTH countries. If the UK wants to be stubborn about it - fine - we'll use the ┬г without a formal currency union BUT if Scotland is to be denied a share of UK assets (which it has contributed to for 300 years) then we wont't be taking on any share of UK liabilities such as any part of the ┬г1.2-┬г1.4 TRILLION debt. The "quip" about the teenager makes no sense and does not equate to the situation in any way.
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If anyone has chips on their shoulders on this thread it's not me. Perhaps closer to home though SG. You are beginning to sound quite shrill so I shall withdraw from this thread as it is after all, a Scottish matter.
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Will the UK have to move out of RAF Lossiemouth, Kinloss, Leuchars etc. Cant possibly have our front line Squandrons based in a foreign land can we?
And, as for that submarine pen on the west coast...what our biggest nuclear deterrant based abroad?
Unthinkable...
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Arsenal, the truth is you've withdrawn from the debate because you've been exposed on the issues. The trouble is you get your mis-information from the Daily Mail (or maybe the Telegraph if you feel like splurging out) and anything they print about Scotland is utter shite.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess you may augment your news sources by listening to the State Broadcaster aka BBC who serve up a daily diet of anti-Scottish insult, am I right?
Just the other day we had a HAIRDRESSER on the BBC Daily Politics show telling us we should vote NO and that was quickly followed by Gryff Rhys Jones (a Comedian) telling us what we should do. For 24 hours we had blanket news coverage of David Bowie giving us his opinion (4 words worth) - so I think any outside observers can gauge the level the BBC is setting the debate at.
Nothing you have said on these matters, Arsenal, stands up to scrutiny - and the "chip on the shoulder" remark was made precisely because I knew you'd come away with that one (that's why I added "sound familiar?" when I posted it)
Now, moving on to Egel - Defence is not a strong suit for the Unionists, Egel, you ought not to have opened up that can of worms:
1. You don't have to worry about the nuclear Trident submarines being left in the Clyde - if there's a YES vote, the rump UK will be instructed (yes, instructed) to remove them forthwith. Will you enjoy having these weapons of mass destruction in your own back yard?
Devonport has been suggested - personally I'd like to see them based in the Thames - but I hear the Welsh First Minister wants them (amazing how some people will prostitute their principals for a few quid).
The big problem (for UK) though, is that a rump UK would have nowhere to move these nuclear submarines to, nor anywhere to store the warheads - oh dear, what will they do? If UK Tory Govts from Thatcher onwards hadn't pissed off the whole of Europe with their xenophobic attitudes they might have had options there :))
2.You suggest/threaten the removal of the RAF bases @ Lossiemouth, Kinloss, Leuchars etc ..... well my dear you really must try to keep up - RAF Kinloss CLOSED to flying operations in 2011, RAF Leuchars is scheduled for CLOSURE in Autumn 2014, and RAF Lossiemouth is to be reduced to an army barracks - so where are these "front line squadrons" you refer to :)) Did you stop keeping up-to-date in 1945?
AND these closures and downgrades have occurred under the UK Govt, so what are we supposed to be afraid of losing?
The latest available UK Govt figures for defence spending in Scotland show that in 2007/2008 Scotland contributed ┬г3.3 billion to the defence budget and received spending of ┬г1.9 billion - so, get your facts right before commenting. The UK does Scotland no favours in defence, or in anything else.
So, I look forward to any rebuttal you care to make but I suspect there will be nothing of substance - it seems to me that when it comes to trading debating points instead of newspaper headlines and out-of-date generalisations, Arsenal and Egel "don't like it up 'em"
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SG. I wasn't aware I'd given you a list of my media sources.
If you use our currency (with or without a union) then how can you be truly independent? You will be hostages to the fortunes of another state. Decisions made by The Bank of England will have a direct bearing on your borrowing capabilities.
It's hardly surprising that the organisations advising Scotland aadvise that a currency union is in the interests of both parties, they are being paid by Scotland. You are a citizen of the EU due to the agreements signed by The UK, If you leave the UK then the citizenship will go with it, HELLO.
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Surfcrest wrote:
The Scotland Discussion has been moved to the "Open Discussion" forum, the new topic is;.
New bar opened in the old Topman, The Scotland Discussion
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This is Gay Thailand Forum.
There is a proper forum for this It's Global Forum.
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...SG. I wasn't aware I'd given you a list of my media sources.
Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure I'm right, and I note you haven't denied it :))
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...If you use our currency (with or without a union) then how can you be truly independent? .....
Well well well - there we have it, and I've highlighted it to make it even more obvious - what arrogance !!
The ┬г Sterling is not YOUR currency!
The pound is the national currency of Scotland just as much as it's the currency of the rest of the UK.
The Bank of England has been nationalised since 1946 and for over 65 years revenues from Scotland have contributed towards its development.
It's a UK Asset - Scotland owns a share of it and as an independent state, Scotland would have just under 10% of a stake in the Bank of England, and we would demand 10% of influence. At the moment Scotland has NO influence. 10% of influence is a damn sight more than the 0% influence we have just now.
Similarly, it is accepted that for a currency union to work, some sovereignty would have to be ceded - but seeing as we have sod-all sovereignty at the moment, that seems quite acceptable.
But your argument is founded on a ridiculous proposition - are you seriously saying that France and Germany, because they share a Central Bank are not "Independent" countries? Maybe you should try telling the Germans and French that! What utter tosh!
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..... It's hardly surprising that the organisations advising Scotland advise that a currency union is in the interests of both parties, they are being paid by Scotland....
I'm sorry Arsenal, we are talking about eminent, world-leading economists, including TWO Nobel laureates - are you seriously suggesting that these guys would risk trashing the international reputations they have built up over a lifetime by making untrue statements for the sake of a few quid in expenses (I believe they are actually unpaid, but I don't have a reference for that) They're not Lib-Dems you know!
Alastair Darling (Leader of the NO campaign) admitted the same thing some months ago (currency union in the best interests of both countries) - and he is hardly a friend of or paid by the Scottish Govt.
Just last week the Deputy Leader of the Scottish Tory Party said that although he wants a NO vote, if it's YES he will "man the barricades" to obtain a currency union.
Mervyn King (remember him?) ex BoE Governor, told the First Minister ' What they (Westminster politicians) say now, is quite different to what they will say after the event'
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You are a citizen of the EU due to the agreements signed by The UK, If you leave the UK then the citizenship will go with it, HELLO.
HELLO. Please cite the EU mechanism for expelling approx 5 million EU citizens from the EU. Actually, don't waste your time looking - there isn't one, and there will be no expulsion - the idea is ludicrous. The entire history of the EU is about pragmatism and expansion - suddenly they're going to start throwing 5 million EU Citizens out? Crap!
Can you imagine the upheaval that would cause - all EU migrants and students would overnight have no right to stay in Scotland (you'd like that one if it were the UK, wouldn't you :)) ) and would all have to leave immediately. The Spanish and others would have to immediately stop fishing the hell out of our waters. The Germans would have to find a new oil source (they import much of it from what would be Scottish oil fields)
There will be an 18 month interval between a YES vote and Independence Day. Matters will be negotiated within that time-frame to ensure that at the point of Independence, Scotland transitions seamlessly into a sovereign member of the EU.
But there is something else you need to consider - when Scotland becomes independent, then the UK ceases to exist, and England-Wales-Northern-Ireland are in exactly the same legal situation as Scotland, because the state comprising England Wales and Northern Ireland didn't sign the EU accession treaties either. Who has pointed this out? A certain Mr Norman Tebbit!! What do you say to that?
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SG. I don't feel the need to deny anything just as you don't feel the need to confirm if you've ever actually been to Thailand.
So. Scotland is going to leave The UK. Take all the oil, have total ownership of the fishing grounds, leave the debt behind, seamlessly rejoin The EU, happily carry on using pound sterling, keep HM QE 2 as head of state, and everyone will ride off counting all their cash. Is there anything I've missed?
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You'll find plenty of confirmation that I've EVER been to Thailand, on this very board, going back 7 or 8 years - what a ridiculous thing to say. All that has changed during that time is that for the last year or two, with a nutter around, I have (wisely) declined to keep this board informed of any further trips to Thailand - and even when I report on trips elsewhere I change dates and certain details. I rather suspect there are several SGT posters who wish they had done likewise - and avoided having their personal details and photographs revealed to all and sundry. Why should I potentially put myself in that position? Of course, maybe you support the nutter, I don't know.
To answer your questions (assuming there's a YES vote):
YES, YES, YES, IF NECESSARY, YES, YES, YES, NO (like any normal country there will undoubtedly be problems along the way - but at least we shall be in charge of what we do about them).
What the Scottish people have to understand is that for one day (and for the first time ever) - on 18th September 2014 - they hold their sovereignty in their own hands. At the end of that day they will have voted either to keep it, gain some self respect, and move forward as an equal partner in the World - or to give it away and remain subservient to the interests of the South East of England.
If it's the latter, they should be in no doubt that the backlash from the UK will be substantial and devastating, and that with Milliband now matching Cameron's commitment to an in/out EU referendum, Scotland (as part of the UK) will be out of the EU -the ultimate irony of your current argument.
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Regardless of any result it will require ratification from Westminster and if Alex Salmand or whoever refuses to negotiate a decent deal then Parliament could drag it out for years or even decades if they want to. Who knows, it might even be the non SNP Scottish MPs who sit there who vote it down. Irony huh! A referendum is not legally binding. Remember the various countries that had multiple referenda until their people said 'yes' to the euro.
And this just in.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26362321
And this is just the beginning.
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This particular referendum IS binding on the UK Govt - try googling the Edinburgh Agreement and, just for added clarity, try googling Cameron's interview last week on STV where he confirmed the result will be respected by the UK Govt.
In the absurd event that the UK govt refused to recognise, or tried to block the democratically expressed wishes of the Scottish people (is that seriously what you are advocating - SERIOUSLY?) then that would precipitate a constitutional crisis the likes of which the UK has never seen. As I told you, even the Deputy Leader of the Scottish Conservatives has said that whilst he is campaigning for a NO vote, should it be YES, he will "man the barricades" for Scotland. With talk of the UK Govt refusing to accept the result, you are playing a very dangerous game Arsenal, and it shows just how much your side are rattled. The 30% lead for NO has evaporated into thin air and only a single figure swing is required in 7 months to sweep YES to victory in September. Hence the threats and scare-stories are being ratcheted up.
Moving on to Standard Life - this is a Company which has form in threatening to pull out of Scotland ( and that isn't even what they have actually said - google the actual statement - it's selective reporting by the State Broadcaster). They threatened to do so almost 20 years ago and wrote sinister letters to their employees suggesting that if Scots voted for a Parliament, they'd pull out. Guess what, they're still here and they'll still be here in 20 years time.
Your entire argument consists of nothing more than a series of threats and predictions of doom. It is predicated on peddling the insult that somehow Scotland is uniquely too small, too poor, and too stupid to stand on her own two feet. I would not be in the least surprised if you told us next that the sky will fall down should Scotland become independent. Only the feeble-minded are being taken in by this disgraceful scaremongering from people representing your view, and that is why a pro-independence political website yesterday crowdfunded over $100,000 in less than 24 hours - a record for any British political website.
Finally, just to REALLY piss you off - you do realise that if Scots vote for Independence, there's one more thing we'll be keeping.....our UK citizenship and passports. Any Scot who has British citizenship on the day before Independence Day will have dual nationality and will be entitled to a UK passport forevermore, as well as their Scottish one. I bet that gets your gears grinding doesn't it :))
PS - to any members who has a parent/grandparent born in Scotland - it is proposed that you will also be entitled to Scottish citizenship even if you yourself have never lived in Scotland. You can read more about this and the Scottish Govt's plans for Scotland in their 670 page prospectus here:
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/9348/0
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I predict a 60-40 win for the no vote. Quote any polls you like, the no campaign has only just got started whereas the 'yes' one has been going on for decades. There is no way the impetus can be maintained for 7 months. Not when your only real 'star' is Salmand. Much of what you claim will be picked apart. Nobel laureates or not.
By the way. I am not in any camp. Yes or No. I support England. Does it bother me that Scots will be entitled to UK citizenship? No it doesn't bother me, nor surprise me. Peoples from around the world would and do risk their lives in order to have the chance of a UK passport.
And no, I do not think that Scotland is too small, stupid or poor to stand on her own two feet. I do however think they are too canny to leave The UK. In the end, they will reject your arguments.
You began this debate with attacks on England and are now coming across as an almost hysterical xenophobe.
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the no campaign has only just got started....
This is hilarious - the Unionist/Dependency campaign has been going on for over 300 years.
Despite this, they have very few footsoldiers on the ground, which is where this campaign will be won and lost - amongst the ordinary citizens, not the fat cats.
What they DO have is the Westminster machine, the 100% Non-Scottish owned print media, and the State Broadcaster (BBC )in their pockets. But Westminster is largely discredited in Scotland and the media can only cry "Wolf!" so many times, people are seeing through it. They are now reduced to scaring pensioners.
Contrary to your assertion, there is far more to the YES campaign than Alex Salmond (note the spelling) - but he is an easy monstering target for the English (that's not racist, that's factual) media, which is increasingly resembling the Nazi propaganda outpourings of Der Sturmer - as these "hilarious" contributions from the Times, Express, and the laughingly-named Independent show:
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It's clear you have little idea of the breadth of the YES campaign (which encompasses the SNP, Greens, Labour for Independence, National Collective, Radical Independence, Solidarity, SSP, Business for Scotland, and many many more organisations). Alex Salmond is not even one of the Co-Chairs - but you wouldn't know that would you - and the sad fact is that you have no intention of educating yourself. Far easier just to throw generalisations about, irrespective of the actual facts.
As for your final point
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....(you) are now coming across as an almost hysterical xenophobe.
I suggest you look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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You began this debate with attacks on England and are now coming across as an almost hysterical xenophobe.
Nah, just an easy wind up...probably too easy!
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the YES campaign (which encompasses the SNP, Greens, Labour for Independence, National Collective, Radical Independence, Solidarity, SSP, Business for Scotland, and many many more organisations)
A man is known by the company he keeps
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I'll ignore the slur about kilts ...
Clearly not, it seems to have got right up your ... um ... er ... kilt.
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the YES campaign (which encompasses the SNP, Greens, Labour for Independence, National Collective, Radical Independence, Solidarity, SSP, Business for Scotland, and many many more organisations)
A man is known by the company he keeps
Sorry, I don't get it - the grouping above encompasses every political and social category from the disenfranchised to big business, from environmentalists to oil producers - what exactly is your point?
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I'll ignore the slur about kilts ...
Clearly not, it seems to have got right up your ... um ... er ... kilt.
Really, I don't think I've even mentioned kilts since I said I would ignore the remark - hardly a sign of being annoyed by it.
What a strange little man you are, Kommie.
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SG: Well I just hope this issue isn't your lifes' work.
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Life's work? Not at all - apparently I sell flashcard books for irate motorists so they can flash "FUCK YOU" at other motorists when somebody cuts them up or honks at them, well that's when I'm not sitting in Wetherspoon's all day nursing a half-pint and using the free wif-fi.
You can read all these invented details, and many more, over at Pariah Place - and you suggest I should keep them informed of my movements via this Forum??
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Sorry, I don't get it - the grouping above encompasses every political and social category from the disenfranchised to big business, from environmentalists to oil producers - what exactly is your point?
Apart from "Business for Scotland" that was a long list of the mad and the bad. "Barking" is the first adjective that comes to mind.[quote=scottish-guy]
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Originally Posted by kommentariat
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Originally Posted by "scottish-guy":1c2rh6po
I'll ignore the slur about kilts ...
Clearly not, it seems to have got right up your ... um ... er ... kilt.
Really, I don't think I've even mentioned kilts since I said I would ignore the remark - hardly a sign of being annoyed by it. [/quote:1c2rh6po]If I'm going to ignore something that's what I do, I don't say "Oh I see you mention X so I'm going to ignore the fact you mentioned X" - I just ignore it, actually, fully, really, treat it as if it never had been said. What a strange little man you are, Scotty.
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Money talks and the bookies' money talks best. The lower the odds the more likely the result. Currently the No result is long odds on to get up, the best price for the Yes vote looks to be 7/2
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... um-outcome
Put your money where your mouth is Scotty.
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Well, I'd tell you to put your money where your mouth is - but seeing as you talk out your arsehole, who would want your money after that?
Tell you what Kommy - you post your Betting Slip and I'll post mine.
And make it a big one.
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Barosso's EU membership scaremongering debunked.
http://archive.is/kPeZx
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
I see the yes campaigners are keeping quiet about the fact that if Scotland does vote yes then the Shetland islands will want a vote to join Norway. They don't want to be part of that chancer and wanna be oligarch Salmand.
Scotty you really are beginning to sound like John Cleese going on and on and on. There are still more English people that would vote yes then Scots, I really think you missed a trick there not including the rest of us in your vote. You might see it as a vote for independence we see it as fucking off you ungrateful bastards.
[youtube:32bl2w1b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso[/youtube:32bl2w1b]
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Giggsy - thank you for your contribution.
Now, how can I put this...................
Fuck off.
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
If you guys go it alone in Scotland (not a slam dunk by any means I think) get your own King/Queen of Scots back.; "Nemo me impune lacessit" as Scottish Guy might say.
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
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Originally Posted by thaiguest
If you guys go it alone in Scotland (not a slam dunk by any means I think) get your own King/Queen of Scots back.; "Nemo me impune lacessit" as Scottish Guy might say.
In this "what's in it for me world" perhaps that is what Scottishindependence-guy is hoping for. He wants to be the new queen of Scotland and be fucked over and over by the new king Salmand. :ymparty:
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Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
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Originally Posted by giggsy
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Originally Posted by thaiguest
If you guys go it alone in Scotland (not a slam dunk by any means I think) get your own King/Queen of Scots back.; "Nemo me impune lacessit" as Scottish Guy might say.
In this "what's in it for me world" perhaps that is what Scottishindependence-guy is hoping for. He wants to be the new queen of Scotland and be fucked over and over by the new king Salmand. :ymparty:
I ain't getting into a cat fight here except to point out that the Scots got the throne of England without firing a scottish shot through that roaring queen James vi (1st of England). They lost it later to the Germans under George 1st- again without a shot being fired. Maybe you're nearer the truth than you think- the era of the 2 queens may be at hand. Good money could have been made on the odds against the onset of the era of 2 popes.