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If the boy had some additional financial pressures I suspect that was driving him to ask for more, but I seldom run into this situation in BKK. Many times I will provide an extra few hundred baht if service was good or I know the guy well. It does not seem like a lot more when I view it in relation to my own currency - another $10 USD approximately. But it is a lot to him.
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But good lord, 2,000 baht for little more than an hourтАЩs тАШworkтАЩ seemed positively over generous to me, especially when compared to the daily national minimum wage of 300 baht and the hard work and effort many Thais put in to their everyday employment.
Jellybean, I have no idea who you are, how old you are or what you look like but if you are like the majority of farang customers I have seen in Soi Twilight's bars then I think it churlish to give less than the market rate for your moment of pleasure. To equate the cost your sexual requirements to the national minimum wage is degrading to all concerned.
Yes the cost of sex has gone up in Bangkok in the past 12 months so if you decide to take someone off for a quick shag back at your room you need to be aware of what costs you are incurring. Your drink = 320 Baht; the boy's drink = 320 Baht and an off fee of 400 Baht comes to 1040 Baht. Add the tip of 2000 Baht and a taxi fare and you will get little change from US$100.
With daily expenses like that it is not surprising that most sex tourists decide to try the freelancers of Silom Soi 4 and DJ Station where the drinks are in the 75 to 150 Baht range and tips are highly negotiable. It is also unsurprising that Gay Romeo and Grindr are the preferred method of meeting for most boys and punters since the off fees are nil and drink charges are reasonable. It also allows the boys to say 'No' to those whom they find 'unattractive'.
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Another reason to agree on price beforehand.
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To equate the cost your sexual requirements to the national minimum wage is degrading to all concerned.
No, it is not. In most countries the cost of sex is roughly a daily wage (information from internet and from friends), in Bangkok it's the sevenfold, clearly out of the norm.
I had a boy from Classic stay with me and a friend in Malaysia overnight, he told me that long time is now 2500 (I gave him 2000 as that is the last long time tip I remember, and he left with 2000). In that vein, short time should have increased to 2000.
Should this situation ever arise again, I will tell the boy that he must be wrong, I have been going to Soi Twilight for over 4 years and always paid 1500 for short time and 2000 for long time, and then I will ask him how long he has been working there (most probably less than 4 years, which proves I have more experience and must be right).
We have a thread with a similar subject on gaythailand.
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Chris-that is western countries. You also very well know about Saranrom-was once double/triple BKk daily wage, now 1,66666.
But it more looks to me, that the collected boys of that soi have made-what is extremely common in ANY Thai market-bottom prices.
If I would add up all these outcries of apparently raised prices of this board since I follow it, then the ''customary'' fee (there simply is no regulation at all on it, and just compare it to what m2m shops want as tip for the very same type of services) would by now be 10.000.
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Jelly, when I first visited Thailand in 1999 I was advised the going rate (ST/LT) was BKK 1500/2000 and Pattaya 1000/1500.
I have not been to BKK for several years but certainly in Pattaya the expected rates for tourists have gradually increased to 1500/2000. So I guess 2000/2500 for BKK would be about right.
Personally I do not grudge the fee to the boy at all - but 320B for drink with a hint of alcohol is another matter!! An off fee of 400B seems ok in the scheme of things considering a friend was charged 500B in Future Boys many years ago
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I have not been to BKK for several years but certainly in Pattaya the expected rates for tourists have gradually increased to 1500/2000.
Well I dont think so. Paid standard 1000/1500 many times in the last few weeks in Pattaya and they seem perfectly happy.
Whats a tourist? One day stay, one week, three months, even a year? How do they know?
Have to say though that it doesnt seem to have gone up at all since I started cumming here 10 years ago which, as I have pointed out before, does seem rather odd.
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My experience (2 out of my 3 nights in Bangkok so far) suggests that prices are pretty stable. I went to one of those massage places in Soi Twilight (everyone seems to call it that still although Twilight is long gone). Massage 500 baht, tip 500 baht minimum although I tipped 1000. Other episode was a boy off Grindr, he asked for 1300 and came to the hotel. The latter complained about a lack of Westerners around; he blamed the political troubles which suggests that even the gay sexpat is staying away from Thailand.
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Originally Posted by rocket
Another reason to agree on price beforehand.
-Yes. In my opinion it is important to agree the price in advance and make it clear what is expected. If such expectation is not met then the price will be reduced.
As to paying 2,000 baht for short time, that is in my view usually excessive. Bangkok ought to be around 1500 short time but only if performance is good and Pattaya around 1,000-1500, likewise less where the offed boy is a dud.
For obvious reasons people who overpay are as bad as those who underpay.
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Have to say though that it doesnt seem to have gone up at all since I started cumming here(Pattaya) 10 years ago which, as I have pointed out before, does seem rather odd.
It hasn't gone up in the 14 years or so I've been visiting, pattaya has always had a supply outstripping demand situation for as long as I can remember. Pattaya is also a bit unique as it is a haven for younger femme type boys who don't seem to be as in demand from Asians as westerners and also there are many expat westerners in Pattaya who are simply either not on the position to offer or not prepared to pay more than the normal 1000 ST 1500 LT (or less) and there are enough/surplus of boys who are prepared to accept those levels and so that has kept it at these levels for all customers expats or tourists.
There also seems to be a large undercurrent of gay boys (edited) who enjoy the hedonistic lifestyle of Pattaya who simply wouldn't get away with it in Bkk western/foreign sex-for-sale areas which are very strict on ages. That hedonistic lifestyle also requires money for recreational drugs/booze etc.. so there is a need which forces them to accept or undercut rivals if needs be. That also adds to keeping the price down. Bkk lads seem to stick to their guns on tip levels.
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Chris-that is western countries. You also very well know about Saranrom............appaerently raised prices of this board since I follow it.......there simply is no regulation on it at all
The 'going' rate among Thais for short time sex is Bt500 as you say about Saranrom? not 'that' far off the 'daily wage'. That is the 'normal' rate in Thailand........The OP is merely giving us actual real life now examples of his experiences, there is nothing "apparently" about it, where it seems his previous experiences of boys accepting tips of Bt1500 and Bt2000 has now changed...........Who has said there is "regulation"? nobody has suggested that at all! we are talking about "expected" tips and what is "generally" acceptable to the boys.
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in Bangkok it's the sevenfold, clearly out of the norm.
Absolutely, the 'norm' between Thais is Bt500 even in Bkk......Pong himself agrees on this. The 'norm' in Pattaya is Bt1000 ST Bt1500 LT (a westerner haunt), unless Scottish-guy is correct and there has been a recent general change to higher levels, but I'm not aware of any and I visit regularly and talk about rates with boys on may occasions, (or usually they do) even though I'm not offing them. So Bkk is well over the norm.
Specifically with regard to Soi Twilight bars Bkk, it's just my opinion but I'm farly sure it's the "Asian influence" which has led to rate increases being up at Bt1500>2000 ST and Bt2000>2500 LT, as Japanese, Chinese, HK, Korean customers tend to be more generous than westerners anyway and they also tend not to confront boys about requested rates, also mamasans will be collectively suggesting the higher rates when asked, and although I never use mamasans to enquire about boys, I would ask the boys myself directly, many do use the services of mamasans especially Asians as they like to go through the 'correct procedure and etiquette. Have a look at who influences the Soi Twilight bars and boys....it's definitely NOT westerners/farangs!
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but certainly in Pattaya the expected rates for tourists have gradually increased to 1500/2000
Bt1500 ST and Bt2000 LT is now the standard level in Pattaya? This is news to me and probably to many. Boys themselves I know in Pattaya when I visited as recently as Sept/Oct told me then it was still bt1000 for short time or less depending how desperate they are and if it is a regular or expat customer, with Bt1500 long time. You may be right that some in BT may try for more, but I don't think it is the 'norm'......maybe SG has more updated sources of info than I, and even if that is the case it still at odds with recent conversations I've had with boys in Pattaya......perhaps those visitors in Pattaya now using the services of boys can advise us of their experiences.
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To clarify - it's my experience (and what I hear from others) that Pattaya rates are now around 1500/2000 but I did try to qualify it by saying that these sums are "expected" and that they applied to "tourists".
I'm not suggesting that all the boys will get that level of fee or that they would receive it from ex-pat clients or frequent/regular visitors - and to be clear, I'm talking about go-go boys rather than beer bar freelancers or Gay Romeo meets.
Sure there will be boys who will accept 1000 ST fee (and in some cases considerably less) but I believe many tourists are not inclined to haggle over the price and will just pay what the boy suggests unless it's outrageous. I fall into that category myself and would not object to paying 2000 LT (I don't like ST at all) - but that's a fixed 2000, unlike others who might agree to 1500 but then bung 200 on top as an "extra tip"
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I have been paying (the same for gogo bars or beer bars)
Bangkok ST 1500 LT 200
Pattaya ST 1000 LT 1500
since I came here first in 2009. The majority accepted and was happy to meet again. I don't discuss in advance, as I assume the boy and I know the going rate.
A recent poll on gaythailand showed similar numbers.
(Discussing tips every few months is always a popular subject on the boards.)
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The Pattaya 1000/1500 figures tally with my own experiences in the past month.
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Oh well, no wonder I'm so popular with the Pattaya boys - and here was me thinking it was my good looks too.
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I have been paying (the same for gogo bars or beer bars) Pattaya ST 1000 LT 1500
Yes I have also always regarded gogo barboys and beer barboys as the same at the levels you state.
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To clarify - it's my experience (and what I hear from others) that Pattaya rates are now around 1500/2000 but I did try to qualify it by saying that these sums are "expected" and that they applied to "tourists". and to be clear, I'm talking about go-go boys rather than beer bar freelancers or Gay Romeo meets.
Also to be clear and clarify, the sums I discussed with boys from the bars in Sept/Oct is the "expected" rate or what is accepted as the "norm" as a tourist. They are rates for agogo and bar boys, I was not talking about freelancers or gay romeo boys either. But I accept maybe I am behind the times and the boys I talked to also not up to speed.
So your experience and that of 'these others' you have heard from recently, are talking about taking boys off from agogos or beer bars, and the boys, on being given or discussing the tip have been disappointed with bt1500 for overnight and have advised you and 'these others' that the 'norm' or the generally accepted rate has now risen to Bt2000. To be clear we are not talking about you and 'these others' voluntarily giving a higher level of tips, but incidents where on offering or discussing 'normal' tip levels the boys have rejected bt1500 for LT and specified these new higher levels.
Hopefully more Pattaya visitors, recent or there now can give us their experiences to get a sense of what the actual situation is there at the moment. If 'these other' people you refer to are members of the Board perhaps they could chip in with their examples too so we can get a wide ranging set of responses.
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undercurrent of gay boys (DELETED) who enjoy the hedonistic lifestyle of Pattaya
To make sense of my post which has been "edited"...(the term the owner uses when he actually means deleted or censored), because of the use of the number 16 and in response to the owners declaration that I broke the rules, I will repost the section as the deletion has rendered the passage meaningless in the context it was intended. A PM I received from the owner stated that my single, stand-alone reference to a person below the age of 18 was a breach of the rules as according to him that single one-word reference was in fact a whole discussion of underage sex.
Reposted section......which is on topic with regard to prices and why levels are at a difference level in Pattaya compared to Bkk.
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There also seems to be a large undercurrent of gay boys 'coming through the ranks' and not yet twenty years of age (legal age to enter a bar) who have no real parental overseeing and enjoy the hedonistic (pursuit of or devotion to pleasure) lifestyle of Pattaya, I refer to drugs and fun. That hedonistic lifestyle also requires money for recreational drugs/booze etc.. so at 18-and-above/legal age when they become able to enter the sex industry there is an already a pre-conceived and lower expectation of tip levels in Pattaya engrained compared to Bkk. This need forces them to accept the Pattaya 'norms' or undercut rivals if needs be which also adds to keeping the price down. Bkk lads seem to stick to their guns on tip levels.
I apologise to the membership for using a single, one-off reference to 'below eighteen' in a post and which according to the owner is a breach which puts the Board in jeopardy. But, despite the accusation of the owner that I was deliberately 'pushing the envelope' (whatever he takes that piece of nonsense to mean) or breaching any rules, it was quite unintentional on my part.
But maybe other members can give me a sense of their opinion of what they understand to constitute a 'discussion' and if single-word references such as 'underage' or 'sixteen'' etc can be construed as 'discussing' as opposed to simply making a passing reference, and if they consider that using these one-word references breaches the underage sex discussion rule. That would let me know other members have a clear understanding that use of a single word like 'underage' or 'sixteen' in a post would appear to be a breach of the rules, and even though unintentional, am clearly the only one reading the understanding of the rule incorrectly. That along with my clear stupidity in thinking that if there are another thousand posts with 'underage' in them, mine might be ok too. If so, thus my apology.
I was accused of "pushing the envelope" and deliberately "breaking the rules" as Surfcrest used the term "as you know" (you are) in his PM to me today. He has also accused me of being in cohorts with others to de-rail the Board on another thread, I really can't see how this nonsense of suggesting I am deliberately trying to derail the Board can help foster goodwill or is in the interests of the Board. I have been a member here for years and am only interested in seeing the Board back to it's most vibrant and busy self, I would hope my posting record would show that, so why would I deliberately make posts/break rules to put it in jeopardy...or want to derail the board? motive? reason?
Just to note.........a simple search reveals 65 pages....sixty-five...which equates to OVER 1,000 references to underage sex on this Board including one from a member named Surfcrest.
Two examples out of 1,000 underage sex posts on SGT-
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they most certainly do with underage girls with that side of the sex industry
Is this 'reference' to underage sex the same as discussing it?
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sleaze ally with underage boys on yaabaa
Is this 'reference' to underage the same as discussing it?
So could the owner please clearly and unambiguously state what constitutes a DISCUSSION of underage sex and if a single one-off word or reference such as using the word 'underage' , the numbers to indicate underage, or synonyms of "underage" are indeed classed as DISCUSSING the topic. Thank you in advance and a very Merry Christmas filled with some of his very own good cheer to Surfcrest and staff.
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Oh god NOW I know what's going on. newalaan2 and a447 are a hydra. Look at their long-winded posts, quoting obscure passages and demanding explanations. Could their joint avatar be a stamping foot? Do we have a "hissy fit" smilie?
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We'll spotted! But what took you so long? :))
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Back on topic
I was in Toyboys the other day when someone asked the rates. The waiter produced a clipboard with the rates on it.
Afterwards I asked to look at it. It stated;
Off Fee 400
Boy 1500 Short time
Room (if required) 500
The next day, at Funnyboys, I overheard the Mamasan giving out the same rates.
So the Gogos are just trying to squeeze a few more baht out of us.
I guess that this is the nearest you will get to an official rate, BUT the boys do seem happy with the usual 1000/1500
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The mama-sans can say what they like; their not the ones getting paid.
I would just leave it up to the guys. If it's a choice of an off at 1000 baht, and no off at all, I know which one the guys would choose.
I'm tempted to say good on the mama-sans for trying to get more money for the boys. But this is Thailand, so I wouldn't be surprised if the mama-sans took a cut - say, 500 baht!