Tip for one week off

I have been in LOS now for one month, and I have been a major butterfly offing at least 20 boys from various places. Several I offed twice, and one I had three times. However, as I look back on the month, I find it mostly a blur of faces and bodies. Several stand out for various reasons in terms of sex, and several could be BF material except they have fatal flaws (one speaks no English, one really does not like having sex with men, and one has been constantly away with back-to-back repeat customers here on holiday).

So, I'm thinking of changing gears for my second month and seeing how it works offing a boy for one week. This way, I can get to know one boy, and maybe become very comfortable with him in bed (learning his body and his likes and dislikes). Plus, it will save the constant hunt every night for a sex partner (while fun, it can get grueling and expensive). It will also provide a bit more of a companion (something I miss with a BF). I may hate this experiment after several days, or it may take several tries to find the right boy, but I figure it is worth a shot.

I'm wondering what a fair tip might be for one week in the middle of low season (and it is really low here in Patong). I work an average of ten hours per day at least six days per week, so the boy will have lots of free time. I'd really like someone who can eat with me around 6pm, amuse himself until midnight or so, go out for a few drinks after that, have sex, and on the odd night sleep with me until morning (I'm not usually a fan of sleeping with someone else in the bed, although on my off day it can be nice). I also would want a boy who can have sex every night without argument or else that would be a deal breaker (and this may be impossible or unreasonable).

1,500 bt per day would be 10,500 bt for a week. This seems high to me. Is 7,500 bt a fair offer for the services I've described? Even the A boys in Patong are not being offed every single night at the moment. Even the good ones are lucky to get two or three offs per week. I don't want to be cheap, but at the same time, I am trying to learn to be a bit more realistic about the true costs of things in LOS and not grossly overpay for everything (yes, that inlcudes the cost of a bar boy for one week of services).

Pete

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Pete,

Just adding my two cents...

For me, the best way to ensure that I'm going to have good sex every night, is to find a different boy to be with every night. If your motives are to find that companionship and bonding stuff we all seem to NEED somewhere along the line, I think 1,000 baht a day on a long term (weekly) basis would be acceptable to almost any boy you would find. Don't be afraid to tell him what you want up front...No Honey - No Money may be a good place to start.


mai pen rai

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Originally Posted by pete1969

1,500 bt per day would be 10,500 bt for a week. This seems high to me. Is 7,500 bt a fair offer for the services I've described? Even the A boys in Patong are not being offed every single night at the moment. Even the good ones are lucky to get two or three offs per week. I don't want to be cheap, but at the same time, I am trying to learn to be a bit more realistic about the true costs of things in LOS and not grossly overpay for everything (yes, that inlcudes the cost of a bar boy for one week of services).

Pete

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Pete, you really do come across as a penny-pinching farang. You meaness is reflected in both this thread and the previous moans about your 'generosity' in the car accident thread.

The fact that you wiill not want the boy with you 27/7 is neither here nor there. You want to off him for one week and for him to stay committed to you for that time. You object to boys who have back to back clients so I assume in his spare time the boy will not be able to go punting for others. Although as you admit you have no problems in you being a major butterfly You insist he must be prepared to have sex every night and sleep with you only when it suits you.

You off the boy for a week and then expect him to give you a discount for the times you do not want him to be with you. It is hardly the boy's problem if your workload means that you are not able to take advantage of his 24/7 availability.

Ger realistic Pete, I personally think that even 10,500 Baht for a week's off is fairly mean. Give the boy 15000 and you will then not risk being labelled a 'cheap charlie, providing of course you also pay for all of his food and drink whilst he is with you.

Pete matey, i think if you give the boy bht 1000 a night that is good and fair. I only ever give this ammount and the boys never complain and they always want to stay with me long time. Never heard the boys call me a CHEAP CHARLY, ANYWAY THEY STILL COME FOR THE BHT 1000, SO THERE.
Naughty but nice, Its people like you that get the boys to be greedy. Bht 2000 a day is bloody stupid money even if your boys got a golden cock. You got to look at what the wage of these boys are in there home towns and if any of them made bht500 a day i would be very supprised. So lets get real with this ehhh shipmates. Ok a nice tip on you leaving for the Airport i think is nice but not over the top.
Dont forget also besides a bht 1000 a day he will get all meals , drink , and other little treats paid for too. So maybe "NAUGHTY BUT NICE" YOUR KNOWN AS A STUPID PRAT FOR EASY MONEY, BY THE BOYS :geek: :geek: :geek:

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Naughty but nice, Its people like you that get the boys to be greedy. Bht 2000 a day is bloody stupid money even if your boys got a golden cock. You got to look at what the wage of these boys are in there home towns and if any of them made bht500 a day i would be very supprised. So lets get real with this ehhh shipmates. Ok a nice tip on you leaving for the Airport i think is nice but not over the top.
Dont forget also besides a bht 1000 a day he will get all meals , drink , and other little treats paid for too. So maybe "NAUGHTY BUT NICE" YOUR KNOWN AS A STUPID PRAT FOR EASY MONEY, BY THE BOYS :geek: :geek: :geek:

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I always heard that sailors were mean so you pretty well confirm that . :bounce:

I agree that the wage a boy would earn in his own home village/town is much lower, that's why they moved to wherever they are and doing the job they are.

How many of us have never moved to a different profession/location for a better salary? Same same. I am sure Pete has moved both location and profession over the years to improve his financial status so why the objection to a boy doing the same?

Before my b/f moved in with me I payed the boys what I thought they were worth. I never have had and do not intend to have a set amount in mind.

If you want to be labelled a cheapo by the boys then fine go ahead and be parsimonious.

Oh FYI I have never offed a guy for 24 hours but I still think a going rate for being at a farangs beck and call for 24 hours is still cheap at 2000 Baht especially with pre-conditions as Pete is stipulating :cheers:

I have frequently offed a boy for a week or so. I prefer this to one night stands and hope for a 'good' one on my first couple of days. I do not expect them to be with me 24hrs and am happy for them to have some time off during the day. Some take it some don't. I always say up front I will give (Bt1500) each day, high or low season, and ask if they want it daily or in one lump sum at the end. I have never had a problem doing that. If the boy has been really good, and some have, I will then give an extra tip as we are saying goodbye.

I have paid 2000 for that plus of course all expenses, air tickets,gifts, etc., but would only do that with someone I felt really warm feelings for. But it is true that they will often stop "performing" without incentive. I actually think 2000 is cheap for this, especially if he completely drops his "real life" to spend all his time with you. However, I wouldn't be above paying less if a particular guy was happy with that. I think these long term things are much more variable and up to negotiation, and based on your relationship.

John, you might want to look again as I asked about weekly rates with money boys and how to go about tipping non money boys. They are two different things, and I'm at a loss for both. This is my first trip to LOS without having a BF. Outside the standard rates for a one night off, I'm still getting my bearings on what things cost (wink).

"I always heard that sailors were mean so you pretty well confirm that ."
So Sayeth N BUT N. For your info "Naughty but SLAG" i work bloody hard for my bung and look after what i do earn. I give a large chunk of money i earn to an AIDS. Hospice every month. I dont keep any boy on a lead so to me joining me at say 10pm thru to say 8am when i get up and go swimming, i think for those hours ( about 10 in total ) Bht 1000 is a good tip.
Maybe your the sort of SLAG that sleezes arround Pattaya all his days. no work, lots of money. Clicks his fingers for the boys to come running, ive seen plenty of LANDLUBBING SLAGS Like you arround prostitue towns and ports. You need to look at real life SLAG BUT NICE, not everyone who holidays in Thailand has your type of throw arround money. :bom:

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Originally Posted by jolyjacktar

"II dont keep any boy on a lead so to me joining me at say 10pm thru to say 8am when i get up and go swimming, i think for those hours ( about 10 in total ) Bht 1000 is a good tip.
Maybe your the sort of SLAG that sleezes arround Pattaya all his days. no work, lots of money. Clicks his fingers for the boys to come running, ive seen plenty of LANDLUBBING SLAGS Like you arround prostitue towns and ports. You need to look at real life SLAG BUT NICE, not everyone who holidays in Thailand has your type of throw arround money. :bom:

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You really must make an effort to read the posts.

The question was how much for a boy for 24 hours a day, not for 10 hours a day.

It will dissapoint you to know that in all my years in Thailand I have only visited Pattaya about 7 times. I do not 'thrown my money around' but neither do I try to get everything on the cheap and be labelled a cheapskate.

If you can't afford a good time then don't come to Thailand - simple eh?

Ill be there in August so with luck i will meet you then..... slag.

I think these "Cheap Charlie" versus "Mr. Moneybags" arguments are pointless. There are plenty of guys around who are willing to have pretty much any level of financing, including none. Tourists have plenty of money but little time. If they want to hang out in the tourist places throwing their money away to finance Isaan homesteads, I have no problem with it. People who live here can wind up in real relationships or patronize less financially demanding guys, and that's ok, too.

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Originally Posted by pete1969

They are two different things, and I'm at a loss for both. This is my first trip to LOS without having a BF.

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And that was rented too, wasn't it? So, really, you should be a pro by now.

The proper amount of baht to give a boy for sexual/emotional services is presently defined by the STAB Standard # 4093-12. For the year 2006, the base rate of 1000bt/night applies, along with the constant known as AF. The correct payment is derived thusly:

1000bt/nt + food & etc is the standard base rate. But if you're an asshole to any measurable degree, you are required to use the formula: (1+AF)*1000bt), where AF(asshole factor) equals the percentage of time you are an asshole.

So for example if you are an asshole only 25% of a 24-hour period (regardless of the number of contact hours):

1.25*1000= 1250bt

Please note that AF is a constant...once an asshole, always an asshole.

Also note that the STAB (Sex Tourists Accounting Board) is currently reviewing a proposal to include an additional "guilt factor" (denoted GF). This potential amendment, if approved, will go into effect 1 January 2007.


dboy

Are we taking Basic Accounting 101 over the summer, m'dear? Not helping Ma and Pa harvest the corn? You Podunk Community College boys are so droll.

no actually at the moment I'm designing a proprietary equities/futures risk management and electronic trading platform. College was quite a few years ago.

dboy

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no actually at the moment I'm designing a proprietary equities/futures risk management and electronic trading platform. College was quite a few years ago.

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Are you joining The Apprentice? It is your birthright as an American.

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no actually at the moment I'm designing a proprietary equities/futures risk management and electronic trading platform. College was quite a few years ago.

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Are you joining The Apprentice? It is your birthright as an American.

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At least you're getting warmer now. I don't have to work for people anymore. BTW, if you do ever get the chance to meet Donald Trump, he prefers a Thai-style "wai" as a greeting, rather than a handshake.


Dboy

Actually Dboy, tongue-in-cheek aside, you are fairly on the money.

I had dinner last night with one of Patong's few true A-list boys. He is a long time friend (never a sex partner) who always provides me with good conversation and an honest and frank assessment of all things Thai.

I told him I was considering offing a boy for a week, and asked him what I should tip. Of course, the first reply was "Up to you." I told him if up to me, I don't know. I asked if 10,000 bt was a fair price.

"Too much," was his very quick reply. "7,000 bt is good. It will make the boy happy. If you really like the boy, tip him extra 1,000 or 2,000 bt."

I replied "So, 7,000 bt is a good tip for low season."

My friend shook his head. "Good anytime. Boy not have to work for one week and get to relax. You pay for his food and for drinks. He guaranteed tip."

I told my friend my only problem is that I know the boy can't have sex every day, and I like to do. He looked at me as if I had grown a second head. "Of course, boy can have sex every day. Sex easy to do. Why not boy have sex every day?"

Later as we were having drinks on the soi, two other go-go boys stopped by to chat with us (I had offed both of these boys). My friend tell them to tell me 7,000 bt okay for one week. They both agreed. "It's okay. Anybody happy to make 7,000 bt in one week and not work."

So, the professionals think 7,000 bt in one week is fair enough. I also like how they think a one week off is "not working" (although I understand their thoughts).

Pete

Hi Pete,

Don't forget, you need to add the "Off" fee to the total.

I pressume you will "Off" a boy from an establishment that offers this service and I don't know any establishment that allows a boy to take a week off work while he is with a customer, whether he met the customer at the establishment or not.

As some here have wisely suggested, it is good to discuss the financial arrangement with the boy right from the beginning. If you have certain expectations you may want to attach these to financial incentives or a parting bonus.

If you fall in love / lust, you may want to enhance bonus factor based on the amount of satisfaction he provides. If he knows this in advance, he may try harder to please you. Similarly so, if he knows that if you expectations are not met that the arrangement can be terminated at any time, that may also make things easier / better for you.

There are superstar boys out there that get "offed" nearly every night, especially boys that play a role in the club's nightly show. Some boys have girlfriends / wives. Some are unavailable for long term rentals, come with conditions or are more expensive than others. It would be best to fully explore that when you are initially making the arrangement.

Many won't agree with me here, but I never promise to send money (with one exception - in my case) after I go home or to see them again next year. Live every moment to the fullest and everyday as though it were the last. Next year there will be a whole new line-up boys / young men to choose from. Subsequent years have never been as good as the first year, in my experiences.

Surfcrest

Some random comments:

- For a longer-term off, negotiate the daily off-fee. You may be surprised by the discount.

- Many boys will consider the long-term off a vacation. A couple I have known have gained weight while on their vacation. Regular meals, lounging around, extra sleep...and gettting paid for each day.

- Be sure to give you friend some space, you will both benefit and remember, he has friends and a life to live after you leave.

- Let him direct some of the activities and allow him to invite his friends to a few events (disco, beach, bowling, etc.). This is great for his status and you will likely enjoy the fun of the group and get into stuff you would not likely try on your own.

- Finally, he is a person with feelings. Treat him with the respect you would want in return.

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Some random comments:

- For a longer-term off, negotiate the daily off-fee. You may be surprised by the discount.

- Many boys will consider the long-term off a vacation. A couple I have known have gained weight while on their vacation. Regular meals, lounging around, extra sleep...and gettting paid for each day.

- Be sure to give you friend some space, you will both benefit and remember, he has friends and a life to live after you leave.

- Let him direct some of the activities and allow him to invite his friends to a few events (disco, beach, bowling, etc.). This is great for his status and you will likely enjoy the fun of the group and get into stuff you would not likely try on your own.

- Finally, he is a person with feelings. Treat him with the respect you would want in return.

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Thats all good but I have another one.
If he stops having sex, cut it short!!!

You are absolutely right.

To do a long-term off, you gotta be sure. If the vibes are right, move on.

That off fee may not be refundable, but then the bar is likely to have other fruit on the tree.

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At least you're getting warmer now. I don't have to work for people anymore. BTW, if you do ever get the chance to meet Donald Trump, he prefers a Thai-style "wai" as a greeting, rather than a handshake.

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The Donald. He's my hero. How many times has he declared bankruptcy and walked away with his creditors' money? Nice work if you can get it. I guess Young Master Cedric should be in heaven - The Apprentice, starring The Biggest Loser

The only thing that really annoys me about these payment arrangements, whats fair, whats not etc. is that other boys in these bars, and probably the mamasans as well, know what boy is getting work and is flush with cash, and who isn't. Then the less-fortunate ones demand their "fair share" of the action as well. So even if you do the right thing for a guy and give him good payment for services, theres a decent chance the guy will just end up in a guilt-trip shakedown. Some guys are smart enough to hide their wealth, but I think they get torn between that and earning face. I have no idea the solution, it just bugs me that I'm trying to help out one guy and the whole freakin bar might be getting a piece.

In seriousness, I think 1000bt/day is the minimum and is perfectly acceptable, 2000bt/day is a bit excessive but not embarassingly so, and 3000/day is way too much. And yes this of course is ignoring any barfines or whatever. A boy might get a piece of that barfine as well, but not enough that it would make any difference in my calculations. And location within the country, like Bangkok vs Chiang Rai doesnt really factor into things with me. In fact alot of stuff is actually cheaper to buy in Bangkok than it is out in the sticks.



Dboy

What's fair for a one-week off?

Depends how many times a day you force yourself on him with your cellulite, stretch marks, questionable hygiene, and evil-smelling saliva.

on a side note, if anybody reading this is holding alot of US dollars or stocks, I'd seriously consider moving it all into short-term stuff like money market funds for awhile (like from now to at least 2008). I think the ugliness in the US markets have only just begun, and just about everything is about to go wrong very soon and it might be worse than we can really even imagine at this point. Only my opinion, my name's not Ben Bernanke...I could be wrong and certain hope so.


dboy

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
(Buying opportunity.)

Besides, whats wrong with being a cheap charlie? Who the F cares?

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The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
(Buying opportunity.)

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No I'm not a chicken little. I'm just considering risk/reward in this environment, as well as the fact that alot of people on this board are probably retired and living on savings/investments. I agree there are plenty of buying opportunities out there as well.

Thailand seems vulnerable here, but I don't see a repeat of 1997. Not generally thrilled about condo investing in Thailand but if there's enough pain going on in the condo market at some point, I'd be a buyer. Certainly something to watch.

In the US, its going to be fun watching these jokers with 30-50 year ARM mortgages try to make payments when the rate adjustment happens.

reidallas

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What's fair for a one-week off?

Depends how many times a day you force yourself on him with your cellulite, stretch marks, questionable hygiene, and evil-smelling saliva.

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Boygeeenus,
A good description of you, I think .
However most people on this board are gay and so take more care of their appearance and body odour than you seem to.

Dboy put your money in the Energy Sector. It is up up and away. It has increased about 68% so far this year. I don't see oil prices falling below $60 USD per barrel. :cheers:

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In the US, its going to be fun watching these jokers with 30-50 year ARM mortgages try to make payments when the rate adjustment happens.

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It's already happening. Foreclosures are way up and getting worse. Those ARMs aren't looking so good right now.

I Spoke with My Manager (as David-in-Pattaya used to say!) this evening about this...

He was(is?) in the business for a long time and reckons that 1,500 is a fair rate per day for a 1 week off.

His attitude is that Short time is 1000, so 1500 should be the rate to keep on-call 24/7

He also reckons that its best to pay daily (so the boy can have cash) and of course farang is expected to pay all expenses during this time as extras.

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Originally Posted by colmx

I Spoke with My Manager (as David-in-Pattaya used to say!) this evening about this...

He was(is?) in the business for a long time and reckons that 1,500 is a fair rate per day for a 1 week off.

His attitude is that Short time is 1000, so 1500 should be the rate to keep on-call 24/7

He also reckons that its best to pay daily (so the boy can have cash) and of course farang is expected to pay all expenses during this time as extras.

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Yes, I think the daily pay is a good idea. There can be a lot of tension built up over a long time if he starts to worry about the payment at the end. Also, with a daily pay, if the performance stops, makes the breakoff cleaner.
The downside is that the both of you are into the illusion of romance, which is often the case in the longers, a daily payout would certainly kill it!

^--- nothing wrong with that if you're an investor and have the mortgages covered with rental income. If you have 4 adjustable mortgages and are not a pro, you are truely fscked.

dboy