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Jomtien being raided as I type
So, just like in the old days of Sunee it seems the Police have now moved their attention to Jontiem.
Im sitting in Sun bar and a squad of about 15 police are walking up and down the Soi. The Thai guy I’m with said it’s ok Cambodians all go” and I replied “well at least they’re not P testing” - which almost before I’d finished speaking the police started shining their torches on what seemed to be just about every boy in the Soi and directing them to go to the outdoor foyer area of The Venue where they are lining them up for checking ( edit after my friend returned he told me not Pee testing but just checking documents and genuinely checking that boys haven’t been trafficked etc and advising them that if they have that they should speak up so they can help ( fair enough actually on the polices part for a change)
i also see the police gently but firmly escorting some boys out from the bars by the wrist so it appears perhaps not all that should of disappeared on time. (Edit - my friend tells me they did take several Cambodians and also several Thais who if I’m understanding him correctly had outstanding warrants issued against them.)
It’s 12.30am and needless to say the music has stopped in all bars and chairs are being put away and whilst I’m all for law and order (ish) you really have to wonder at the logic of such raids during the lowest of low season when Pattaya is already low enough on tourists ( who have been totally ignored by the police by the way just for reference).
I do realise that the police and state could care less about such matters and that’s fine of course but when every other gay area is seemingly dying on its arse you do wonder at the logic and timing.
Will be interesting to see does my friend come back too as his face went white once the torch was flashed in his direction ! Edit - he did come back, albeit looking slightly relieved I think that tey WEREN'T pee testing perhaps !)
Ahhh Thailand, you gotta love it for holidays....... or ....
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Let them get it out of their systems for when I arrive.
"tourists (who have been totally ignored by the police by the way...) Did you want the police say "good morning" to you?
Do the abducted boys get meatloaf?
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Nirish guy
checking documents and genuinely checking that boys haven’t been trafficked etc and advising them that if they have that they should speak up so they can help ( fair enough actually on the polices part for a change)
Whilst trafficking does occur in the world, I suspect almost all of the boys in Pattaya trafficked themselves there and have would have the nous to just leave if there was any coercion.
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hard to beieve that in this day and age and in a place like pattaya that sexual trafficking takes place
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I'm now hungry. Hungry for breakfast or dinner at Deli Diner, Thai boys, meatloaf and Cambodian boys but mainly for Pattaya. It seems Paradise upon Sea can still deliver a holiday to write home (here) about.
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Nirish guy
I do realise that the police and state could care less about such matters and that’s fine of course but when every other gay area is seemingly dying on its arse you do wonder at the logic and timing.
Is this how the police work in Northern Ireland - they take into account extraneous matters such as the impact on (the general view) low tourist numbers at this time of year before deciding whether to enforce the law - in particular sex trafficking?
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if indeed impact upon tourism is a factor...and Im not saying it is but lets just entertain the notion...then low season would be ideal...wouldn't want to annoy the hordes of farangs queuing up for a ride on a mb...
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frequent
Is this how the police work in Northern Ireland - they take into account extraneous matters such as the impact on (the general view) low tourist numbers at this time of year before deciding whether to enforce the law?
Actually believe it or not YES it is ( and I’m not saying I agree with that fact but it IS it seems EXACTLY what happens in N.I it seems.
As a example only last week there was a contentious issue over an illegal / out of control bonfire that had been built ( to be lit later). The local council stated they were going to remove it and asked the police for back up / protection to assist with that ( as that wasn’t a popular move in the local neighbourhood) and to cut a long story short the police asked them not to enforce and to allow the bonfire to proceed as AFTER AN IMPACT ASSESSMENT OVERVIEW REPORT had been carried out it was deemed that such actions would be detrimental to the wider community and to the effect of PR of inbound tourism at this busy time of year etc.
So in answer to your question then yes, that IS exactly what happens before operations are carried out it seems.
* the above is just one random example btw, there are plenty of others with regards to paramilitary funerals and the police not overtly intervening ( when they SHOULD) and responding by written summons etc at a later date etc.
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Nirish guy
Actually believe it or not YES it is ( and I’m not saying I agree with that fact but it IS it seems EXACTLY what happens in N.I it seems.
As a example only last week there was a contentious issue over an illegal / out of control bonfire that had been built ( to be lit later). The local council stated they were going to remove it and asked the police for back up / protection to assist with that ( as that wasn’t a popular move in the local neighbourhood) and to cut a long story short the police asked them not to enforce and to allow the bonfire to proceed as AFTER AN IMPACT ASSESSMENT OVERVIEW REPORT had been carried out it was deemed that such actions would be detrimental to the wider community and to the effect of PR of inbound tourism at this busy time of year etc.
I was thinking of more prosaic examples such as raiding brothels
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frequent
Is this how the police work in Northern Ireland - they take into account extraneous matters such as the impact on (the general view) low tourist numbers at this time of year before deciding whether to enforce the law - in particular sex trafficking?
The BIB are seen by many locals and expats as slightly above a criminal mafia; extracting as much money from people and businesses as possible. They are not seen as a force for law and order and the rule of law.
Nirish guy's comments make sense if local law enforcement is a group trying to extract money from the citizens and visitors to Pattaya. They should try and NOT kill their source of income.
I assume the local police in Ireland are a somewhat professional group; not a criminal mafia.
Comparing Pattaya's BIB to those in Ireland is a false comparison...I hope I have enlightened you.
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then explain to simple me why thailand is so safe, I can wander all over bkk and pattaya sozzled out of my brain and not once have i been mugged,. If the cops were so useless would it not be a total wild west out there? They must be doing something right if the place is so safe.
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latintopxxx
then explain to simple me why thailand is so safe, I can wander all over bkk and pattaya sozzled out of my brain and not once have i been mugged,. If the cops were so useless would it not be a total wild west out there? They must be doing something right if the place is so safe.
I think you'll find Kitty Litter doesn't understand rhetorical questions and believes you actually expect an answer
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Nirish guy
It’s 12.30am and needless to say the music has stopped in all bars and chairs are being put away and whilst I’m all for law and order (ish) you really have to wonder at the logic of such raids during the lowest of low season when Pattaya is already low enough on tourists ( who have been totally ignored by the police by the way just for reference).
I can't image a less intrusive time for a raid. For those who go to bed early (like me), that would be the perfect time to leave. Those who like to stay up until the sun rises have to find another place anyway. Low season, low impact. And they didn't bother tourists.
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latintopxxx
then explain to simple me why Thailand is so safe,...
Their cultural and religious background. The are Thai are non-violent people. Only when drunk or in extreme situations is violence on the agenda.
On the subject of police, in Germany it's similar. If you as a German park your car in the wrong spot you will feel the full force of the law. As an illegal immigrant trading drugs or raping girls, you will get a very lenient treatment. Can't even blame our police as they are underpaid and overworked, the politicians are to blame.
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Spoke to a Lao friend via the Internet last night. He was in his room at a time he would normally be in his bar in Boyztown. He said the police were checking all the Go Go Boys they could find for illegals. He said the current clamp down was the worst since he'd been in Pattaya which is about eight months.
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frequent
I think you'll find Kitty Litter doesn't understand rhetorical questions and believes you actually expect an answer
Well Frequent Fuckwhit - Latin's rhetorical question makes the point that Thailand is safe...hmmm..well it probably is safe if you are a male tourist spending money.
Maybe the average Thai would agree that Thailand is safe maybe they would not agree. Thailand has high corruption, large wealth distribution inequities, one of the highest traffic fatality rates in the world, etc. The average Thai does not appear to be safe from corruption - theft from those in power, traffic accidents..etc.
An irony of this discussion is that the Jomtien complex stood empty for many years as the original developer half built the place then disappeared with huge sums of money (that is the story I have been told by several people). Thailand does not appear to be that safe for the average investor. Safe is a relative. Safe for who? or is it whom???
Gee Frequent Fuckwhit..I would think that you would have more nuance in your thinking..as you do sometimes seem to be a bit of a bright guy.
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christianpfc
On the subject of police, in Germany it's similar. If you as a German park your car in the wrong spot you will feel the full force of the law. As an illegal immigrant trading drugs or raping girls, you will get a very lenient treatment. Can't even blame our police as they are underpaid and overworked, the politicians are to blame.
Christianpfc - your post sounds like some victim-hood post; Nationalist propaganda - illegal immigrants raping girls and selling drugs with impunity? The impunity resulting from their status as outsiders? That sounds like total crap.
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christianpfc
I can't image a less intrusive time for a raid. For those who go to bed early (like me), that would be the perfect time to leave. Those who like to stay up until the sun rises have to find another place anyway. Low season, low impact. And they didn't bother tourists.
Their cultural and religious background. The are Thai are non-violent people. Only when drunk or in extreme situations is violence on the agenda.
On the subject of police, in Germany it's similar. If you as a German park your car in the wrong spot you will feel the full force of the law. As an illegal immigrant trading drugs or raping girls, you will get a very lenient treatment. Can't even blame our police as they are underpaid and overworked, the politicians are to blame.
Help me out, Christian; I have only been in Germany a few hours in Frankfurt and a few hours in Bremerhaven, a long time ago in both cases What happens to the illegal immigrant who misparks his car? What happens to a rapist who is a German citizen whose ancestors have been there since Frederick the Great?
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Thai citizens who criticise the junta aren't safe....even those who escape to Laos. Their bodies tend to wind up in the Mekong.
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Oliver2
Thai citizens who criticise the junta aren't safe....even those who escape to Laos. Their bodies tend to wind up in the Mekong.
Hmm..so being safe in Thailand for locals is partly about who you are, who you know, and how compliant you are with the ruling junta.
I guess Frequent Fuckwhit and Latin need to think a bit more about what it means to be safe in thailand.
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kittyboy
Christianpfc - your post sounds like some victim-hood post; Nationalist propaganda - illegal immigrants raping girls and selling drugs with impunity? The impunity resulting from their status as outsiders? That sounds like total crap.
Don't forget Christian showed sympathy with the 3rd Reich a few years ago
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poor misinformed christian, doesnt understand that all that raping he's complaining about is a cultural misunderstanding, he needs reeducation...as for corruption Brazil/south africa is just as corrupt but with far higher general crime rate, so again the bib must be doing something right
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latintopxxx
then explain to simple me why thailand is so safe, I can wander all over bkk and pattaya sozzled out of my brain and not once have i been mugged,. .
You don’t get mugged in that you do not get beaten up so that someone can access your wallet.
They are more subtle..
It’s done by short changing you, padding drink bills, scams, Farang pricing etc....
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latintopxxx
. If the cops were so useless would it not be a total wild west out there?.
Thailand roads, particularly in Pattaya are exactly like the Wild West. They are beyond hope. The police are useless.
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lukylok
Don't forget Christian showed sympathy with the 3rd Reich a few years ago
Is that in the same category as actually being fucked by a Thai dictator?
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gerefan2
You don’t get mugged in that you do not get beaten up so that someone can access your wallet.
They are more subtle..
It’s done by short changing you, padding drink bills, scams, Farang pricing etc....
I prefer that to to getting robbed.
And that's what I understand by safe: being able to walk anywhere, anytime, without the threat of being robbed.
Road safety, political freedom, safety for monetary investments is a different story.
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Dalewood
What happens to the illegal immigrant who misparks his car? What happens to a rapist who is a German citizen whose ancestors have been there since Frederick the Great?
Illegal immigrants don't own cars (unless they stole them, but then they don't legally own the car).
German rapists? I haven't heard of that for a long time.
However: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E...lts_in_Germany
I can fully understand the German and the Thai police. If I were an overworked and underpaid police officer, I would go for soft targets (like the bars in Jomtien, or parking in the wrong place in Germany), because I know where they are, they can't hide, and there is something tanglible (the business or the car), instead of chasing drug dealers who might shoot, stab, spit or bite.
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christianpfc
Illegal immigrants don't own cars (unless they stole them, but then they don't legally own the car).
German rapists? I haven't heard of that for a long time.
However:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E...lts_in_Germany
I can fully understand the German and the Thai police. If I were an overworked and underpaid police officer, I would go for soft targets (like the bars in Jomtien, or parking in the wrong place in Germany), because I know where they are, they can't hide, and there is something tanglible (the business or the car), instead of chasing drug dealers who might shoot, stab, spit or bite.
Christian - Read the link you provided. The police in Germany did NOT allow rapists and drug dealers to go free because they were immigrants.
The link YOU provided clearly indicates the police taking actions. You might argue that it was not enough action or too little action. Your original argument seemed to be that immigrants in Germany could get away with drug dealing and rape. Clearly that is not the case based on one case you provided as evidence.
And comparing the Thai police and German police and saying both are underpaid..is just silly. A quick google search of the salary of a German police office shows a salary of about 3400 Euros a month. Thai police earn about 200-300 a month. Try to make valid comparisons.
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valid comparison would include cost of living as well...say the cost of a pony ride...
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christianPFC, just to add my voice - your post about "illegal immigrants" was highly offensive. And untrue.
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joe552
christianPFC, just to add my voice - your post about "illegal immigrants" was highly offensive. And untrue.
I must give it a "Like"
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Khor tose
As to your speculation about frequent, you may very well be correct. Eons ago when he was boy genius he acted the part. He had real things to say and real points to make, annoying at times, but witty nevertheless. Frankly, his silliness has given me a little concern over his health. No, I am not being sarcastic. This is a far cry from the boy genius he almost seemed at one time.
Here's a suggestion for you Khor tose, for next time you're with your fellow virtue signalers. Mention that you've been discussing the issue on a Forum where you're a long-term member, a Forum dedicated to Thai male whoredom. Don't forget to say it was raised by an indignant member who is planning to travel thousands of kilometres to exploit the Third World poor by having paid sex with men young enough to be his grandsons. Let us know their reaction
Just to be clear - I don't have a problem with exploiting the Third World poor by having paid sex with men young enough to be my grandsons or great grandsons. I have a problem with hypocrites
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frequent
Here's a suggestion for you Khor tose, for next time you're with your fellow virtue signalers. Mention that you've been discussing the issue on a Forum where you're a long-term member, a Forum dedicated to Thai male whoredom. Don't forget to say it was raised by an indignant member who is planning to travel thousands of kilometres to exploit the Third World poor by having paid sex with men young enough to be his grandsons. Let us know their reaction
Just to be clear - I don't have a problem with exploiting the Third World poor by having paid sex with men young enough to be my grandsons or great grandsons. I have a problem with hypocrites
The best thing you have ever written Frequent. I salute you.
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yes, I too rather liked it.
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"who is planning to travel thousands of kilometres to exploit the Third World poor by having paid sex with men young enough to be his" son?
I am.
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arsenal
"who is planning to travel thousands of kilometres to exploit the Third World poor by having paid sex with men young enough to be his" son?
I am.
I believe you meant grandson!
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No. I'm not as old as you.
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arsenal
No. I'm not as old as you.
Your under 35?
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Manforallseasons
Your under 35?
Or under several 35 year olds?
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Manforallseasons
Your under 35?
His under 35 what?
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Someone's maths needs a refresher course.