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Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
As this area is for comments / suggestions on the forum etc can I make this request - would you ( Moses in this case) ever stop just randomly closing threads just because YOU dont like something - I accept of course it's your board and you're able and entitled too etc but I thought the whole point after Neal is that wouldn't be happening again.
The thread re Matt for example - 10 pages of posts, people contributing ! that's SURELY what we want !- and that including Matt so he was certainly up for it and able to handle himself it seems ! - Some posters agreed and supported him and some not so much, but from what I read no one was breaking any rules or coming out with anything to crazy and meanwhile, on a whim BOOM, thread closed. Whats the point of people bothering to contribute in whatever way they chose for a thread just to be shit down the second a Mod / Moses chooses too ( and again I respect they have the right) but surely it's not what we all wanted or thought we were going to have to deal with again post Neal ? it's a real shitty way to end a thread for no particular reason other that the Mod / owner is boring with it.
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Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
I thought SGT had got over this whim of owner/mod closing down a thread for no reason. THAT is the very thing which will put members off contributing. Nothing will turn members off more than locking/deleting for no good reason. It shows a lack of respect for those members who have made the effort to log-on, read and use their time to make a post. If you have grown tired of a thread Moses, don't read it. It has 1300 views 90+ posts, it is popular, it is attracting interest, so not only should it not be closed it should probably be on the front page.
While locking a thread on nothing more than a personal whim would be no reason to quit a forum or stop posting entirely, it is enough for me to think twice about using my time to start a thread or make a post only to have it locked for no reason. I cut back severely posting under the last owner who nit-picked his way though posts, which only made me think "why should I bother" Not sure why Joe felt the need to request it locked. Nobody has requested any of his threads to be locked. It is NOT a good turn of events or direction for the forum.
"Looks like and endless story...lets just stop it". What kind of an explanation is that? No reason, no logic, nothing! Complete nonsense.
I refer to the thread "Do you believe cdnmatts stories.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
newalaan, I felt the thread had run it's course, and whoever wanted to comment had ample time to do so.I think you're over-reacting.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
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joe552
newalaan, I felt the thread had run it's course, and whoever wanted to comment has ample time to do so.I think you over-reacting.
With all due respect Joe, a thread will simply run out of steam and fall down the list if it has 'run it's course' the natural way, if members are continuing to contribute posts then it clearly has not 'run it's course'. I don't understand 'ample time to comment' . It is on-going, contributors respond to the new posts.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
The thread was started as a poll, which are normally closed after a period.
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I'm with Newalaan on this. Let the membership decide. It's not Moses' decision to make.
When the membership gets bored of the thread, we'll naturally let it die. Simple as....
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I've already posted elsewhere on the board supporting Newalans view, it's a sad day here when threads are closed just because someone randomly decides they're finished. Surely unless some rules are being broken in a serious way a thread is finished when posters decide to stop posting / reading it - and as that thread ( Matt's) was over 10 pages long that OBVIOUSLY wasn't the case. As New Alan says it's a slippery slope to start down and like grammar nazi'ing is one that should be nipped in the bud before it's allowed to become the norm. ( I feel anyway).
This was my post re that in the feedback forum re that ( in case I put it in the wrong place) ....
As this area is for comments / suggestions on the forum etc can I make this request - would you ( Moses in this case) ever stop just randomly closing threads just because YOU dont like something - I accept of course it's your board and you're able and entitled too etc but I thought the whole point after Neal is that wouldn't be happening again.
The thread re Matt for example - 10 pages of posts, people contributing ! that's SURELY what we want !- and that including Matt so he was certainly up for it and able to handle himself it seems ! - Some posters agreed and supported him and some not so much, but from what I read no one was breaking any rules or coming out with anything to crazy and meanwhile, on a whim BOOM, thread closed. Whats the point of people bothering to contribute in whatever way they chose for a thread just to be shut down the second a Mod / Moses chooses too ( and again I respect they have the right) but surely it's not what we all wanted or thought we were going to have to deal with again post Neal ? it's a really shitty way to end a thread for no particular reason other that the Mod / owner is bored with it or doesn't like the views being expressed.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
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Originally Posted by
Brad the Impala
The thread was started as a poll, which are normally closed after a period.
Yes there was a suggestion regarding the poll very early on in the thread in that the 'poll part' had been left open longer than normal, which I think Christian did reply to. But for me the poll is now pretty irrelevant, but surely the thread can keep running if there is sufficient interest.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
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Originally Posted by
cdnmatt
I'm with Newalaan on this. Let the membership decide. It's not Moses' decision to make.
When the membership gets bored of the thread, we'll naturally let it die. Simple as....
No cdnmatt, it IS moses decision...what I am saying is I personally think it is wrong.
Apologies to Nirsh guy, I didn't realise you had started a thread already. I agree with your post.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
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newalaan2
No cdnmatt, it IS moses decision...what I am saying is I personally think it is wrong.
Apologies to Nirsh guy, I didn't realise you had started a thread already. I agree with your post.
Yeah, technically it's Moses' decision, as he does pay the server bill, and has access to that "Lock Thread" button.
However, realistically, it's not his decision if he wants a thriving board full of participating members. That part is up to us as members, and judging from this thread alone, he just pissed off a fair amount of people. He may want to think twice about doing that. He could have just let the thread run for another couple days, after which I'm sure everyone would have gotten bored, and let it die naturally. Instead, he locked it, causing a whole new bitchfest that we have now.
Every action has a reaction...
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
Firstly, can I emphasise that I didn't lock the thread, although I suggested it. However, having read the above posts, I'v changed my opinion (is that allowed here?)
Quite frankly, if Matt is happy for the topic to keep going, which he obviously is, then it should be allowed to go on.
I think it's time we heard from Moses.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
And just to emphasise no one is saying YOU did Joe as you CAN'T - even if you wanted to - only Mod's or Moses can do that.
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
To add to Nirish's post above . . .
The Guidelines should be the trigger for moderation actions, not the whim of an Admin (who should know better) or rogue Mods (of whom this Board has too many).
Just because an Admin or Moderator doesn't "like" a post or topic, or ~ even worse ~ simply doesn't like the "direction" a topic is possibly going in doesn't mean they need to take moderating action regarding it.
The locking of the poll thread is a perfect example of moderation~by~whim. (If Moses' phrase just before locking isn't pure whim, I don't know what is. To wit: " ... It looks like endless story... let's just stop it ...")
If a Guideline has been broken, by all means do something.
If a guideline is not broken ... shut up and get the hell out of the way.
So simple really, but this moderating team just doesnt get it.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
This is what joe posted:
Quite honestly Christian, I think enough is enough. Everyone who wants has had his chance to post on this. So why not shut this thread down?
And Moses then locked the thread. Cause and effect;
case closed.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
To answer Brad the Impala's question :
Well when is Francois going to prove that he is French, or latintop prove that he is either latin or a top, or a447 prove that he doesn't exaggerate his exploits etc etc.
Here is the answer to that.
"You French make such shitty coffee" and Jacob replies: "I've been called nigger and I've been called queer but I've never been called French. La Cage Aux Folles.
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Le Cage Aux Folles is a sublime comedy and so is the American remake, The Birdgage. The wonderful Gene Hackman shows he can do light comedy as well as anyone.
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
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Smiles
So simple really, but this moderating team just doesnt get it.
What evidence do you have that the moderating team was in any way involved with the closing of the thread?
Please provide the board with whatever evidence you have.
I can assure you we weren't involved - it was a unilateral decision, one which a board owner is entitled to make.
Whether members agree with the decision or not is an entirely different matter.
For the record, I was as surprised as anyone else.
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It's called collective responsibility - if you choose to be part of the admin/moderation team, then whatever Moses does you get a share of the blame/credit, and vice versa.
With power (:D) comes responsibility
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
Oh dear. Can't see A447s statement going down well with Gorbals Jock.
edit. See. The well known internet stalker takes a new line upon learning the facts.
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arsenal
Oh dear. Can't see the above statement going down well with known internet stalker Gorbals Jock.
You'll need to be quicker than that!
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
Evidently. Proving that you are in fact, an internet stalker.
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855 people seem to approve so I'll just get on with it if that's all right with you
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
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scottish-guy
It's called collective responsibility - if you choose to be part of the admin/moderation team, then whatever Moses does you get a share of the blame/credit, and vice versa.
With power (:D) comes responsibility
Not so fast!
There is a well known tenet in law that states that a person cannot be held responsible for am action if he/she had no way of knowing if such action would be taken.
BTW, Moses was acting under rule 4.8. so I can't see what the problem is.
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
Forgive me if I neither know nor care about rule whatever-the-fuck-it-was.
Listen to yourself man!
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
Is it time to impose the rules about insulting members, flaming and trolling to someone. Maybe the time has come. Perhaps the mods who you clearly loath and the owner who you clearly despise will tire of your endless and constant negativity and think that the board has moved on from this. Cue huge gobby reply no doubt. If anyone on this board needs to listen to himself it's you.
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I neither "loathe" nor "despise" anybody - and if you're going to "impose the rules about insulting members, flaming and trolling" then best start with yourself.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
Unlike closing threads for no good reason - which just isn't funny at ALL.
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
Well you give a very good impression of loathing and despising, spewing venom wherever you post. Charming. You're only still here because of the 'grandfather' clause. If a new member turned up and posted what you do you'd have gone some time ago. That's a fact.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
Then watch the films and have a laugh which as I said, are.
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Or comment on how closing threads isn't funny either - I think I'll do both - go on, try and deflect and intentionally go off topic a little more why don't you. We can do this all day if you wish.....
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Closing threads is not only NOT funny it is a crime against humanity. Members should work themselves up into an apoplectic fury at the very idea. Amnesty should be notified and one of their representatives called in to adjudicate on the matter. Those responsible should be hauled off to The Hague to face a stern judge and after due process handed the toughest strongest sentence for this most heinous of crimes. Happy.
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
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a447
BTW, Moses was acting under rule 4.8. so I can't see what the problem is.
Well, talking about "tenants in law" ... Guideline 4.8 seems to me to be new. Perhaps Neal wrote that, but I cannot see Surfcrest doing so. Did Moses add that rather authoritarian guideline?
Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933 was very like Guideline 4.8.
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Guideline 4.8 The owners of SGT Forum reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.
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The Enabling Act 1933: The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz) was a 1933 Weimar Constitution amendment that gave ... Chancellor Adolf Hitler – the power to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag.
I know I know, a drama queen, right?
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Or the owner could just stop doing it - that would be better.
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Re: Closing threads for NO good reason on SGT...thin end of the wedge.
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
Ahh the old " Look boys, I'll just do whatever the fuck I want and to fuck with all your opinions and moderation guidelines, so, you can all moan all you want but that's just the way it is, so, fuck up and follow my rules RIGHT " - To be fair he'd be better just saying that and saving on all the other guideline pretence.......oh, wait, he just DID.
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No thanks, I'll just post to the board, like others who also think the same - and anyway I can do without being reminded of rule 4.2 thanks - you know that one that says "he can do whatever the fuck he likes" etc as just because he CAN do it doesn't of course make it right or a good idea "for the board".
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
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Originally Posted by
Smiles
Well, talking about "tenants in law" ... Guideline 4.8 seems to me to be new. Perhaps Neal wrote that, but I cannot see Surfcrest doing so. Did Moses add that rather authoritarian guideline?
Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933 was very like Guideline 4.8.
I know I know, a drama queen, right?
I'm pretty sure it's "tenets".
I don't know or care who wrote that rule; all I know is that it is there.
And that something similar appears in many contracts.
And if you don't like rule 4.8 because it reminds you of Hitler (!!), then why don't you lobby Moses to change it?
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Originally Posted by
arsenal
Well you give a very good impression of loathing and despising, spewing venom wherever you post. Charming. You're only still here because of the 'grandfather' clause. If a new member turned up and posted what you do you'd have gone some time ago. That's a fact.
It's very worrying to see the Head Judge unable to a) control himself and b) unable to separate valid criticism (shared by others) from "loathing, despising, and spewing venom".
He continually posts anti-Scottish rhetoric and boasts in his posts and avatar of never having to explain himself (both of which are absolutely fine with me, except it's exactly the "flaming" he allegedly disapproves of), and he now refers to me disparagingly as "Gorbals Jock" (again fine with me, except that's a great example of the trolling he allegedly disapproves of).
Thanks goodness he's a self-admitted here-today-gone-tomorrow moderator - otherwise we might have to take him seriously.
Kind regards
Gramps
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Re: Closing threads - would you ever stop it !
My sincerest apologies to Gorbals Jock for any misunderstandings. However, my rhetoric is not anti-Scottish. It's anti-SNP which is not the same thing at all.