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Russian COVID vaccine - published results
Russians today declared "at least 92% efficiency": only 20 sick from 16000 in trial of Sputnik-V.
As per Reuters
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That is significantly lower than the 94 infections in the trial of a vaccine being developed by Pfizer Inc
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN27R0Z6
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Russian COVID vaccine - published results
For those who are interested, the first results of Russia’s Sputnik COVID-19 vaccine have been released showing 92% efficacy from a small sample
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...acy-1029791207
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StevieWonders
It is OK what you remind to members about efficacy of Sputnik-V in 11 days after news has been released, I just don't understand why you call sample small? Gamaleya 16000 of 40000, Pfizer 22000 of 44000, Moderna 15000 from 30000.
So, Sputnik-V small group and Moderna tiny group?
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ONLY 20 confirmed cases - the others are reporting larger numbers
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About prices:
Moderna $37 per shot of 2
Pfizer $19.5 per shot of 2
Oxford (manufactured in India) $6.74 per shot of 2
Sputnik $5 per shot of 2
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StevieWonders
ONLY 20 confirmed cases - the others are reporting larger numbers
It's understandable: here in Russia level of pandemic is about 5 times lover than in USA - we have here 457K of active cases in comp with 4785K cases in US,
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Now we’ve happily resolved that you’ll be doubtless turning your attention as owner and sponsor of this Forum to the little matter of Putin and Russian homophobia
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StevieWonders
Now we’ve happily resolved that you’ll be doubtless turning your attention as owner and sponsor of this Forum to the little matter of Putin and Russian homophobia
"little matter of Putin" sounded 2 days ago on G20 - Putin was only leader who offered vaccine to any country [of Third World] what need it and as I got it: Russia offers it for free.
As per Russian homophobia - it has roots in Orthodox Christianity, not in state politic.
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Moses
About prices:
Moderna $37 per shot of 2
Pfizer $19.5 per shot of 2
Oxford (manufactured in India) $6.74 per shot of 2
Sputnik $5 per shot of 2
It was dear Oscar, wasn’t it, who wrote of those who know the price of everything.
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StevieWonders
Curious to be adding as news the "first results" of 92% directly below a post which announced exactly the same thing 11 days previously! Too busy chasing Moses around the board to notice. Do keep up!
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StevieWonders
It was dear Oscar, wasn’t it, who wrote of those who know the price of everything.
It was Reuters in different news.
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Brad the Impala
Curious to be adding as news the "first results" of 92% directly below a post which announced exactly the same thing 11 days previously! Too busy chasing Moses around the board to notice. Do keep up!
SW published his post separately, it was me who merged 2 similar posts into one thread.
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Moses
About prices:
Moderna $37 per shot of 2
Pfizer $19.5 per shot of 2
Oxford (manufactured in India) $6.74 per shot of 2
Sputnik $5 per shot of 2
All of those prices will work out cheaper than the economic support measures in many countries.
As for the case numbers in the trials, I read somewhere that Russia gave 75% of the trial population the vaccine and 25% the placebo. If correct, it's quite a sensible move, since the placebo group is just a reference to compare the number of infections etc, whilst they get a larger sample size of people to check side effects on.
This would also mean fewer infections, although it doesn't account for all of the difference to the 2 trials announced by the American companies.
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goji
All of those prices will work out cheaper than the economic support measures in many countries.
As for the case numbers in the trials, I read somewhere that Russia gave 75% of the trial population the vaccine and 25% the placebo. If correct, it's quite a sensible move, since the placebo group is just a reference to compare the number of infections etc, whilst they get a larger sample size of people to check side effects on.
This would also mean fewer infections, although it doesn't account for all of the difference to the 2 trials announced by the American companies.
My hope is that as many people as possible get vaccinated as quickly as possible so that those who are more cautious can be more certain that any downsides have come to light (especially before I am vaccinated myself).
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Brad the Impala
Curious to be adding as news the "first results" of 92% directly below a post which announced exactly the same thing 11 days previously! Too busy chasing Moses around the board to notice. Do keep up!
Novichok is always at the forefront of many minds whenever Russia’s undoubted skills in drugs are mentioned.
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stevie u r such a hero...its people like u we need to build a nation.....
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StevieWonders
Novichok is always at the forefront of many minds whenever Russia’s undoubted skills in drugs are mentioned.
Do you want to push me by this sentence to express my sorry to brainwashed?
News.
Vaccination will starts at Dec 5 in Moscow. There are 70 vaccination points on the base of state clinics in the city. Everyone may apply for free vaccination via official site of Moscow https://www.mos.ru/city/projects/covid-19/privivka/ (rus.lang) limitations: 16-60 years, no sickness. There will be check up with doctor before to make injection. Mandatory 30 min after-injection-observation within clinic. Older people will be vaccinated by social services (every elder here has social worker for care) at their homes, starting from January.
At first few weeks preferences will have doctors (and other medical staff) and teachers (and other school staff).
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Moses
An interesting policy difference to the UK, where the vaccine will be prioritized as below (in order of priority).
Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
All those 80 years of age and over; frontline health and social care workers
All those 75 years of age and over
All those 70 years of age and over; clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
All those 65 years of age and over
All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
All those 60 years of age and over
All those 55 years of age and over
All those 50 years of age and over
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goji
An interesting policy difference to the UK, where the vaccine will be prioritized as below (in order of priority).
Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
All those 80 years of age and over; frontline health and social care workers
All those 75 years of age and over
All those 70 years of age and over; clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
All those 65 years of age and over
All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
All those 60 years of age and over
All those 55 years of age and over
All those 50 years of age and over
Reason of difference is: it is not state vaccination. It is city's vaccination - Moscow own few pharma-companies and huge network of clinics (over 750) + network of hospitals.
State's vaccination will starts from January. Here almost not exists care homes for older - they are living in own homes and social workers visits them at homes, it is free service. The only elders who are living in care homes - these who can't walk themself. All elders are under patronage of Ministry of social protection and care and this ministry will provide vaccination program for them.
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Moses
Reason of difference is: it is not state vaccination. It is city's vaccination - Moscow own few pharma-companies and huge network of clinics (over 750) + network of hospitals.
It's still reverse priorities.One country starts by vaccinating the most vulnerable, the other starts with the most healthy and least vulnerable.
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It is heartening to note that Russia still has a society which supports the elderly with scheduled home visits by support staff and professionals. Of course those who are debilitated and not ambulatory need to be in a care home.
Hurrah to socialism.
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Brad the Impala
It's still reverse priorities.One country starts by vaccinating the most vulnerable, the other starts with the most healthy and least vulnerable.
No. Here are different competences. People after 60 are in competence of Ministry of social care, city not responsible for them anymore, money for to care about them are going via state channel, not from city anymore. So city can't offer to older people vaccination - it is outside of city budget and if city will do - it will break law.
So regionals usually are faster, federals usually are slower. I think if even they will start vaccination in January - it will be for sure at last days of January.
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In a pandemic it would be good to think that bureaucracies could collaborate to look after the sickest. Not that that has happened as effectively as it should have in the UK!
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Im a little tired of this us versus them type arguments...nobody seems to mention that in sweden where they went for the herd immunity option covid spread like wildfire through elderly care homes wiping them out...shameless...but then when life isnt valued this is what u get
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Im a little tired of this us versus them type arguments...nobody seems to mention that in sweden where they went for the herd immunity option covid spread like wildfire through elderly care homes wiping them out...shameless...but then when life isnt valued this is what u get
Think of all the future pension payments the Swedish government has saved. Swings and roundabouts.
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Application for vaccination. Available in my account. Appointment at any day any time. The only minus - vaccination point which they offer to me is in 20 min by car from my home.
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Excellent! I don't think 20 minutes drive is too much of a downside, I'd be happy to go further(if I only had the opportunity!).
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Short report.
Friend told me what he had +38C and headache 3 days after vaccination. My case is different: I had +36.9C starting from 12th hour after vaccination for 24 hours and light headache at 24th hour after injection what been eliminated by pill and never come back again.
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...quuitye amazing that you guys (Russians with that ca\tapult in siberia) are so onto it...that is compared tothe US where there is a death every second and they are still arguing about masks...its enough to drive one to drink
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Im a little tired of this us versus them type arguments...nobody seems to mention that in sweden where they went for the herd immunity option covid spread like wildfire through elderly care homes wiping them out...shameless...but then when life isnt valued this is what u get
Few countries have made a success of dealing with institutions such as aged care homes. But Japan whose population is on average older than Sweden’s never went into lockdown and has had an enviable record compared to other countries. There the cinemas, for example, have never closed and new films attract the usual large audiences.
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...would be helpful if you would expouse why ...
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latintopxxx
...would be helpful if you would expouse why ...
Because in general, Asians aren't complete morons who hold anti-mask protests while chanting bullshit slogans like "live free or die", nor do they think KoVid is some government hoax or some conspiracy for population control via a vaccine headed up by Bill Gates.
Only us retarded white folks think and act like that.
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latintopxxx
...would be helpful if you would expouse why ...
In a word - 3密. (Sammitsu)
The Chinese character refers to being close. So the 3密 are:
Avoid enclosed spaces
Avoid crowds
Socially distance
The same behaviours we are encouraged to follow.
Japanese are generally very disciplined and tend to easily follow instructions. Compare this attitude to many Americans who insist on their "rights" and refuse to comply with health advice.
You won't find a Japanese "Karen".
Also, Japanese bow instead of shaking hands and don't hug or kiss like us. Plus they place great emphasis on personal hygiene so washing hands and wearing masks is part of daily life.
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There is certainly a better and safer option.
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Vaccination by EpiVacCorona - second Russian vaccine just started yesterday in Russia. EpiVacCorona is "old fashioned" vaccine from killed viruses, is made by "Vector" institute in Siberia. It brings lower level of immunity to users, but is more "soft" so it is safe to use for pregnant and for seniors.
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Moses wrote
"so it is safe to use for pregnant and for seniors."
Ah yes. But what about the pregnant seniors. Is there anything for them from the Russian pharmaceutical wonderlab?
https://www.oldest.org/people/pregnant-women/
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arsenal..u can be sooo annoying...lol
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Not senior but pregnant and male
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