Feeling bad not paying half his rent

For those of us who had our prostitute education in Thailand, we probably think we have seen and heard it all. We all know that the buffalo died and that grandma needs medicine. Because these stories are so obviously fake, we find it easy to deal with such situations.

When I was still in Mexico, I was already searching on Grindr for some spectacular boys in Medellin. I had a few wishes and one of them was a boy with a baseball bad as a D**k. Because this is rather personal, I am not going to post any pictures, because it would be too easy to find the boy online.

I found this 21-year-old boy that seemed to have a tool that would absolutely kill me if I were a bottom. Thankfully I am not and I messaged him explaining what I wanted. The boy was not really my type. I like them with very little hair and he seemed to have to much in his face and over his body, but I still decided to meet him the first day back in Medellin.

This was actually Friday a week ago. I arrived late Thursday evening and decided not to go out but rather have the boy come over. I must say that I had 4 other boys that I could have turned to if this would have been a bust.

In Medellin, it is often expected that you arrange an Uber for the boy. They are very cheap so you should really not haggle about it if it is a pay date. I ordered an Uber for him and it cost me 4 Euros. The Uber dropped him rather far from my apartment so it took him another 5 minutes to walk to me. I was waiting outside and when he arrived, the first thing that I could ask was, you are 18, right? I mean, this guy had pulled all the tricks out of the book to make himself look older in the foto's on Grindr. Seriously, I wonder why.

He was actually just 19 and the only thing that was going for him (form me against() was his body hair. He used it to make himself look older. But when I met him he looked like he was 16. In hindsight, I understand why he did that. He has been a webcam model before he was actually 18. In his mind, the older he looked the better. He was also blocked by one of the webcam sites because he lied about his age.

I was so intrigued by his persona that we didn't have sex that first evening. We spoke a lot and he told me about his life and what he has done. He showed me everything about his model career and a few videos. For example, one of my questions "what would you do if someone wants to fuck you with a pipi as big as yours? He answered with "well, I have a video for that." wow, he actually did have a video for that because it had happened. It was a short video that started with him sucking a huge dick that gave a great gagging show. After a few minutes, he slowly sat on it and was fucked by this dude. To make it more exciting, or nuts, that guy was his straight cousin. They only made this video to make money.

We spend the next two days together. He only went home once to change his clothes.

Important to say, he only asked about 17 euros for his services. That is crazy! If you are a foreigner, they will start with at least 45 Euros and up. So him asking only 17 Euros was good. He told me that he was not really an escort because of his webcam model work. And, I don't want to go too deep into the reason, but trust me it was valid, he couldn't work as a model for a while. I had spent September through December on Grindr and I had never seen him there. His story checks out on multiple levels.

On Sunday afternoon he gets a phone call. I must say that I was impressed with his restraint. In the days before he never checked his phone. I found that a big plus. He was 100% at the moment and not constantly distracted. Anyway, his phone had rung a few times while he was in the shower. When he came out, I told him about the phone and it started ringing again immediately. He answered and I could hear a woman voice say something about a problem.

He secluded himself and I went to get the food that we had ordered from downstairs. When I came back up the trouble started. He asked me if he could ask me for a favour. At this moment my defences went up and I went into some kind of autoresponder mode. He said he needed money for rent. I told him that if (and this is true) I had to help every boy that I know for two days I would be poor.

This answer really pissed him off. He said that if I didn't want to, I could have just said NO. Why I had to say it like that etc etc. He just wanted to leave. Tja is crazy because he really deserved more in my opinion. Actually, I wanted to give him 200 Euros when I lived two days later, but he somehow made it impossible for say. His reaction was so (Latin) temperamental, that there was no way for me to change this situation. I also found that he overreacted. There was no reason to immediately burn any bridges.

Now I am home and I feel rather guilty. I really think he deserved more because I had a great time. The sex with him was amazing and worth a lot more than I paid him. No, I am not trying to take advantage of someone in a poor situation. And NO, I am also not a sucker we fall for an SOB story. But I feel that I have the money and he delivered a service that deserves financial appreciation, but his overreaction put me in a situation where I never got the chance to give him what I thought he deserved.

It is still bothering me a lot.

ps.. I typed this in one go and never looked back. Sorry for the grammar and for everything that is incoherent.

"My dad needs blood transfusion" was very popular about 20 years ago for a brief time among the boys working in certain bars in Soi Twilight in Bangkok

Money boys only see us because we pay.

If you have seen a boy 1-2 times, it does not make you responsible for all his expenses, of which there will be many.

Of course, if he's very good, a modest contribution to rent might not be a bad idea.

My experiences of boys asking for money for other reasons have been very rare and all were in SE Asia. These are either people who have several farang sending money already OR the ones who are no good in bed.

I just don't get any requests from the lads who are good at their profession.

I offer the guys what I think they are worth, not what they think.

That seems to work as I can't recall ever having problems in that area.

I wouldn't feel guilty in this case because you had the chance to offer him more but it was his bad behaviour which caused him to miss out on the extra cash.

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My experiences of boys asking for money for other reasons have been very rare and all were in SE Asia. These are either people who have several farang sending money already OR the ones who are no good in bed.

I just don't get any requests from the lads who are good at their profession.

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That is my experience, too.

Every Chinese boy asks me for money at some point ,often with hilarious reasons. One boy told me he was being held against his will and could I send 500 rmb to free him.

No use crying over spilt milk. You got him in a bargain basement sale. Job well done.

oh honestly ...justv make him work for it upfront...easy

He is not doing his job properly if he isn’t asking for money!

Honestly I think you were a bit unfair. Whatever the truth or otherwise of his situation/request, I don't think he needed a lecture and I understand why he was pissed off at the manner of your response. Given that you had had a great time with him on the cheap, I think you should have at least contributed the difference between what he charged you and what the going rate would have been.

kee-neaow

When done well, hiring a prostitute is a good honest transaction. He provides services in return for money. In low cost countries, the price works well for both parties, as he's earning a multiple of the minimum wage and the customer can afford it.

Once we move away from prostitution into the separate matter of begging, it's mostly fiction and all about having a story that brings in the cash, whether true or not.

This can be the fake "homeless" in London. Sitting in a sleeping bag by in some busy location. Watch them for a few minutes and they will sneak a look at their iPhone. Which they have somehow managed to purchase and keep charged.

Many years ago, I remember seeing a "crippled" immigrant begging in Frankfurt. Half an hour later, she zoomed past me in the supermarket, with her crutch in the shopping trolley.

In Thailand, the request will be for money for food, rent, travelling to a funeral or something similar. Never to go out partying, which is what it may well be spent on.

Then, the stories don't always stack up. One lad, to his credit, didn't ask me for money, but wanted to meet a day earlier than agreed, as he was out of money after paying his rent. If so, why was he less active than normal on the phone apps in recent days?

The most innovative of all was a lad who couldn't log into his "crypto" account to retreive his money. He was asking for advice. As the conversation went on, it became ever clearer that he hadn't got any interest in solving the log on "problem" but was hoping I'd just make a donation. This lad has a number of farang sending money, which is why he can quote various exchange rates off the top of his head.

Now, if I go into a coffee shop for a coffee, I don't assume any moral responsibility for all the random expenses of the waiter.
In principle, it's exactly the same with money boys. Particularly if met short time just once or twice.

oh Lord...sooooo much typing...almost fell asleep....KISS....log on....say hi...agree on price/expectations....he shows up...looks like his pic...yay....performs...gets paid....doesnt perform....negotiate discount...or press eject button...hop back onto app...look for next ball drainer...

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This lad has a number of farang sending money....

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I've always had grudging admiration for guys who can somehow have numerous farang willingly sending them money on a regular basis.

I have even more admiration for them when more than 1 farang turns up in town at the same time and he has to do a juggling act to entertain them both.

I understand how you feel, vnman. I would say that his temperament made it impossible and you are not to blame.

I was also used to visiting Thailand and only recently ventured into South America (Colombia).

In my humble opinion, there is a difference. Their sob stories are often true, unlike in Thailand and .

I recently came back from another trip and I'd say half of the guys I met were "professionals" similar to Thailand's moneyboys, the other half were not.

In Medellin I met a boy named E, 18 years old, from Venezuela. We agreed that he would get 100 pesos (22€) for his services. He turned out to be a great guy and the next 4 days he spent his free time with me. He worked 10 hours a day in a bakery, 6 days a week for a salary of 450 pesos/month (100€) and a small room. He recently bought his first cell phone, a second-hand model that every Thai boy I know wouldn't look at twice. But it was his greatest treasure. The battery only lasted half an hour, so it didn't really bother me.

When I was about to leave Medellin, he reluctantly asked if I would give him the 100 pesos I promised him the first day.
I completely forgot to tip him.. and that 100 pesos was meant for short time, not for 4 days.. He was quite pleased when I gave him substantially more than he asked for, but I almost left without giving him anything.

Another example was a boy in Cucuta who became furious when I tipped him and said "thanks for the great sex". He yelled at me that he was not a prostitute, threw the money in my face and walked away angrily. Even though we had discussed the activities and prices beforehand.

It's not Thailand.

Ah the latin temperament!

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Originally Posted by michaelx1992

I understand how you feel, vnman. I would say that his temperament made it impossible and you are not to blame.

I was also used to visiting Thailand and only recently ventured into South America (Colombia).

In my humble opinion, there is a difference. Their sob stories are often true, unlike in Thailand and .

It's not Thailand.

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I am currently on grindr and Romeo negotiating with several men about being my guide translator and sex buddy. many are receptive and some just want to fuck an old white guy free (not really into the whole guide thing). after a bit cajoling to get a price, one hot 22 yro slim well hung versatile man came back and said 30 USD a day (what he thought was a high price?) I said I would do that.

I have a couple others I'm chatting with. no problem finding on Grindr/romeo. now I just need to tell the husband I'm going...

sigh

I never send money before I meet someone, and I have only sent money once to a boy I met only once. But boys I met several times, to my satisfaction, qualify for a bonus, mostly by online banking.

Your case (the same boy for several days) would fall into my category of being worth a bonus.

Last year in Cambodia, a straight German friend asked me how I refuse to send money online. I just say "No". I turns out he went into long discussion about the general economical situation of the world and his financial situation in particular, which just wasted his and the girl's time. Your example is similar, just say "no" (or in this case, "yes" as a bonus would have been in order).

I've never sent guys money on a regular basis, preferring to spend it with them when we go shopping. That at we both benefit.

He gets the goods and I get to see the look of delight in his face. It's that look which gives me so much satisfaction. I love seeing my 2 special guys happy.

I don't buy expensive things like iPhones, gold chains and the like. Usually it is just new clothes, shoes, credit for their phones and /internet, their favourite eau de toilette and a watch or two.

I did once offer to buy my Pattaya friend a new phone but he declined, saying that the phone he was using was good enough!

of good God...NO...i hate shopping...would rather set my hair on fire and put it out with a sledge hammer before going shopping with a mb....nightmare stuff...

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

of good God...NO...i hate shopping...would rather set my hair on fire and put it out with a sledge hammer before going shopping with a mb....nightmare stuff...

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If you supply the matches, I'll supply the sledgehammer!

I happen to LOVE shopping and could happily spend the whole day in Siam Paragon. It's got everything I need, including lots of great restaurants.

I take my Pattaya friend to Central Festival. We have dinner and sometimes go shopping. Often it's just a case of us walking past a shop and me seeing something I think he would look nice in, such as a shirt or jeans. I want him to dress nicely.

One of the silver linings of being blind. No more feeling guilty about paying other people just to do your shopping for you.

r u still going on about breing blind...so last year...

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Originally Posted by Brad the Impala

Ah the latin temperament!

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I grew up in Latin America and I know how bad our temperament is. I cannot think of another culture with this bad temperament. The explanation is that latinos are not good dealing with emotions; they are never taught to handle emotions in a positive way because their parents beat them every time they got angry as a kid, creating an unhealthy relationship with frustration.

That's one of the reasons I love Asians: they are so docile. Even when an Asian guy is mad, rather than showing anger, they will pretend to not have a problem, and then they will block you later.

...obviouslyt u have never come across an angry Thai...especially an "unpaid cross dressing working lady"....

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...obviouslyt u have never come across an angry Thai...especially an "unpaid cross dressing working lady"....

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Does that happen to you often?

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Originally Posted by pasiontop

That's one of the reasons I love Asians: they are so docile.

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I wouldn't describe them as being "docile" - I think it's more a case of them exerting a bit of self-control.

Docile? Thailand is famous for penis reattachment surgery.

Not sure if docile is the word you want. Maybe good at their job of being a prostitute would be better?

I should have clarified that my experience with Asians is mostly with Taiwanese and Chinese. I have only visited Thailand twice for 1 week each, so my experience with Thai guys is limited. But during those 2 trips, I got the impression that Thais are also very polite and eager to please.

I'd definitely describe Taiwanese bottoms as docile; they are so submissive and the way they behave is very cute.

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Originally Posted by pasiontop

I should have clarified that my experience with Asians is mostly with Taiwanese and Chinese. I have only visited Thailand twice for 1 week each, so my experience with Thai guys is limited. But during those 2 trips, I got the impression that Thais are also very polite and eager to please.

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Ohhh, can totally see how you'd get that impression. That's just the whole Buddhism and respect thing they have going on.

It's an outer layer.

...definitely a fake outer layer for public viewing only....