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Offing Waiters at Jupiter and Elsewhere
During my last visit to the new Jupiter on Soi 4, I saw several very attractive waiters who were wearing numbers.
I suppose this indicates that they are available for offing. What are the procedures for offing them? Are they available for immediate offering, or must the customer wait until their shifts have ended?
Also, it is possible to get a little better look at the waiters before offing? In particular, I do NOT like a lot of tattoos. Would it be possible to ask the guys to take off their shirts for a better look?
Any information/advice would be appreciated...
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You go off as soon as you like.
Cannot hep regarding a look at the tattoos..maybe a trip to the Hong Nam for a look?
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Geez..some people are so fussy...whats with the tattoo phobia...but then I really shouldnt complain..if one is paying then one can be a bit fussy and demanding.
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werner
... Would it be possible to ask the guys to take off their shirts for a better look...
If they have numbers on, they're offable.
Normally you'd assume they'll take anything off for a better look - providing you're tipping enough, but Jupiter has always been a bit of a law unto itself, so who knows?
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scottish-guy
but Jupiter has always been a bit of a law unto itself, so who knows?
That will be Jupiter 2018?
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yes, so annoying the way this new set up operates...the Mbs behave as if THEY set the rules...
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Originally Posted by
scottish-guy
If they have numbers on, they're offable.
Normally you'd assume they'll take anything off for a better look - providing you're tipping enough, but Jupiter has always been a bit of a law unto itself, so who knows?
Not to mention their focus on "sticky rice"
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It's worth remembering that Scottish Guy's information is at least eight and a half years old so perhaps not to be taken as definitive.
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Don't waiters have an even higher "off fee"?
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dab69
Don't waiters have an even higher "off fee"?
That was the case years ago and I stopped asking. The big problem is in high season when waiters are not easily replaced.
However at Jomtien bars like Sun and Home have that covered, but in most bars all boys can wait on the tables.
I think the problem is limited to go go bars where some boys do not want to perform.
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Off fees for waiters about 100-200 baht more than for the ordinary bar boys.. in Soi Twilight bars and the previous Jupiter.
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gerefan2
That will be Jupiter 2018?
It'll be either - the original one never conformed to what one would experience elsewhere and from what I've heard and read that applies to the 2018 one too.
But what has really changed in go-go bars over the last, say 20 years? Nothing, except each year there's fewer boys, less attractive boys, less fun and higher drinks prices
I stick by my comment - if they have a number, they're offable.
If anybody tries and finds the opposite, then you're either a cunt and the boys know you're a cunt, or maybe try having a shower before you go out or you need to change your incontinence pad/colostomy bag.
Bad reputation and/or body odour are the only reasons I can think of why anybody would get a knock-back in a gogo-bar (and even then you've still got a 80/20 chance :D)
Hell, there's even an SGT member in his mid-70s with a totally toxic personality (some might even say personalities plural) who boasts he not only gets laid, but is highly respected by hookers.
How can anybody miss?
:drink:
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scottish-guy
... you're either a cunt and the boys know you're a cunt, ... maybe try having a shower before you go out or you need to change your incontinence pad/colostomy bag ... an SGT member in his mid-70s with a totally toxic personality (some might even say personalities plural) who boasts he not only gets laid, but is highly respected by hookers.
Really scotty is there nothing I tell you about myself in complete confidence without having you blurt it out in a public Forum? :mad:
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The opinion of someone in a monogamous relationship who has no reason to visit go go bars is always welcome. I visited a gay bar in Edinburgh in 2002 so perhaps I should join a gay Scottish forum and give them my opinions ad infinitum. Can't imagine they wouldn't appreciate my input.
A go go bar owner told me the reason he charged more to off waiters and doorman was basically to discourage it. The doorman especially are often the best looking.
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arsenal
Can't imagine they wouldn't appreciate my input.
No reason why they should be any different than the rest of us is there?
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No I suppose not. Good point.
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I think the staff at Jupiter only prefer sex with Asian customers , or am I wrong ?
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loke
I think the staff at Jupiter only prefer sex with Asian customers , or am I wrong ?
My feelings was that the boys in the main at Jupiters were straight and preferred girls.
I have watched others who have tried to take great looking boys off, get told later, not yet.
I used to go off cruising to other bars and because I liked the Jupiter boys, sometime call back in.
Yes some boys not available went home by themselves. Some had late appointments with girls. I asked about that and some boys have to stay to a certain time before leaving, as they are the onstage stars.
Gave up trying but enjoyed the look.
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what a weird formula..a gay gogo bar stocked with non offable numbers...
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Yes and reviews on here probably don’t help.
I went there having read previous topics about the place and entered with the perception that they were all unoffable. It didn’t help that they were all absolute stunners. Model material.
So I left empty handed, probably for the best!
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Gerefan, did you make any effort? I'm tempted to go but with only three nights before going on to Pattaya I budget my time and dislike wasting it.
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In short, no!
With all the adverse publicity, and talk of them being unoffable, plus the fact that they looked stunners, I chickens out.
Probably worth 15 minutes of your time to have a look though. You never know!!
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When I see an exceptionally good looking boy, usually in a host bar or at say BBB I always ask one question before I do anything else.
"Do you go with farang?"
If the answer is 'no' (almost never) then it's over and I look elsewhere. If 'yes' then the conversation can move on and in that conversation you should tell him what you want and how much you will pay him. Then enjoy his services.
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paborn
Gerefan, did you make any effort? I'm tempted to go but with only three nights before going on to Pattaya I budget my time and dislike wasting it.
Paborn I would certainly go and visit as until you see the stunning boys, you have nothing to compare with.
See also the new thread ,New Freshmans Bangkok which is little distance to walk. My suggestions is you do both perhaps visiting Jupiter first, see freshmans bar and if unsuccessful there, return to Jupiters
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I’ve not had problems offing from Jupiter. Though it’s true some boys work in the shows and aren’t available to leave till shows over. Yes majority are straight, so you need to discuss things upfront.
Now Moonlight. They have 4-8 model boys that are different from the boys in the main show. The model boys are difficult to off. But remember, everybody has a price. They can be very picky about offs, but in the end money talks.
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It seems that the New Jupiter is trying to cater to a variety of groups--gays, heterosexual women, and transgenders--when offering guys to off.
Does anyone have any suggestion about how to see more flesh of the waiters with the numbers? Would it be too crude to offer a tip and ask the guy to take off his shirt?
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werner
Does anyone have any suggestion about how to see more flesh of the waiters with the numbers? Would it be too crude to offer a tip and ask the guy to take off his shirt?
Theoretically it's the role of the mamasan to negotiate interactions between staff and potential customers while in the bar so that would be where I would start
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Some years ago I noticed the boys dancing did an act with just towels for modesty.
I got there late one night and was postioned right against the back wall, right angle to the stage.
On the night I was there the boys used to face the back wall, hold the towels in front and then open the towels, 100% behind them.
I was stunned to find I had an excellent view from the side quickly, but it turned me on.
Each time I visit now I try for the same seat. Not all boys do the same act every night and maybe not any more.
But next to taking a boy off, an interesting view,
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frequent
Theoretically it's the role of the mamasan to negotiate interactions between staff and potential customers while in the bar so that would be where I would start
Good advice--Yes, I should ask the manager/mama-san whether I could have the waiter take his shirt off. But then I would have to provide a tip to both the boy and the mama-san.
In the old days, some mama-sans and captains were very helpful, but that seems rarely to be the case now.
The manager at the new Jupiter does not seem to be particularly helpful. Last January I had my worst experience ever in Thailand when I offed a Vietnamese guy from Jupiter. He was stunningly attractive and had a perfect body. But when we got to the hotel he became aggressive and belligerent; he demanded not only a quick finish to our activities but also a high tip. It was the only time when I have feared for my safety in Thailand. Perhaps I should have called hotel security. [To avoid further trouble, I gave him and 1,000 baht note, and told him to leave.
When I complained about this to the manager, he just laughed and told me that he could introduce me to another guy.
Maybe I should just avoid Jupiter....but some of the guys there, both the models and the waiters are very attractive. Perhaps I should go there for a drink and some eye candy....Any thoughts or suggestions?
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werner
Maybe I should just avoid Jupiter....but some of the guys there, both the models and the waiters are very attractive. Perhaps I should go there for a drink and some eye candy....Any thoughts or suggestions?
You seem besotted with this one bar and you've already recognised the obvious solution
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Werner. Can I ask you a question regarding your unpleasant experience with the Vietnamese guy.
Did you tell him exactly what you want and how much you will pay him?
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Werner maybe you should go to Jupiter. There are people [?]here that like to sit in the darkness and observe the farang watching boys on stage.
Maybe they will give you a free jack off, when you leave.
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Werner. Can I ask you a question regarding your unpleasant experience with the Vietnamese guy.
Did you tell him exactly what you want and how much you will pay him?
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frequent
You seem besotted with this one bar and you've already recognised the obvious solution
Frequent, You are right. Bangkok has many gay venues. I should just avoid this place.
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arsenal
Werner. Can I ask you a question regarding your unpleasant experience with the Vietnamese guy.
Did you tell him exactly what you want and how much you will pay him?
No I did not and this was probably the problem.
My requests for services were NOT anything extreme--just a little massage and playing around. I did NOT want any anal sex or even kissing.
I did NOT discuss the tip with the guy, although the manager had told me that 2,000 for "short time" would be adequate. Perhaps the guy thought that he should be paid more because he seemed to be a superstar. The guy demanded 5,000 for short time, which he defined as two to three hours.
Arsenal, your implication is correct. I was part of the problem. All services and tips should be discussed clearly before leaving the bar.
Thanks to Arsenal and Frequent for your comments!
The guy was quite pleasant for about 30 minutes, and then became belligerent and aggressive.
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Do it Werner. Do it every time. Tell him clearly what you want and how much you'll pay him. Then go through it again to confirm. Get all the business side sorted out in the bar and then both of you can relax in the room.
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arsenal
Do it Werner. Do it every time. Tell him clearly what you want and how much you'll pay him. Then go through it again to confirm. Get all the business side sorted out in the bar and then both of you can relax in the room.
Arsenal, Good advice. Yes, this is desirable.
But it is also very difficult, sometimes impossible, because of language barriers. I speak several languages fluently, but unfortunately, only a few expressions in Thai.
I suppose the real solution would be for me to get my act together and learn Thai......but that is another topic......
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werner,
I am a regular at Jupiter2018.
I have offed one of their waiters last year.
Off fee is 500 baht whereas gogoboys are 400 baht. He now works as gogoboy at Moonlight.
If you want a waiter to take a shirt off, I would first call him to sit with you, offer a drink and suggest to go upstairs to have a chat where the place is darker and cosy with sofas with less customers.
He would not take a shirt off in front of full customers downstairs.
Or if you know the waiters number ready I would ask him about tattoos for you.
Send me PM at http://www.gaythailand.com/forums
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werner
Arsenal, Good advice. Yes, this is desirable.
But it is also very difficult, sometimes impossible, because of language barriers. I speak several languages fluently, but unfortunately, only a few expressions in Thai.
I suppose the real solution would be for me to get my act together and learn Thai......but that is another topic......
And we have to learn Vietnamese too. Let's see: "Ban dep trai. Nuat! Len Len. 2 giờ. 65 dollars." That's: "You are handsome. Massage. Playing. 2 hours. 65 dollars"