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Vaccination against COVID
As per Russian newspapers top-lawmakers, top-ministers and many other from "elite" already been vaccinated against COVID since late April by experimental vaccine from state military laboratory. They got strong immunity and no side-effects beside 1-3 days of +38C temperature and some headache. Vaccine has been provided to them for free as "a testing".
Yesterday another state laboratory announced end of phase 3 of testing of another vaccine. Govt announced plans to start country's mass-vaccination from September 1.
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...hopefully this is true..I can hardly wait for the world to return to some semblance of normality....feels so weird to not be able to hop on a plane and fly somewhere
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No one is stopping you from hitching a ride in a yellow submarine...
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latintopxxx
...hopefully this is true..
This is true with probability 99,9% - many public figures here now shows no precautions against virus on public. The only question is: for how long lasts immunity. I think nobody knows it now since nobody has experience longer than few months for now.
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Moses
experimental vaccine from state military laboratory..........Vaccine has been provided to them for free as "a testing".
Although based on Russia's alleged use of injections on their own Citizens in the past I think I'd maybe pass on that offer.....
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Nirish guy
Although based on Russia's alleged use of injections on their own Citizens in the past I think I'd maybe pass on that offer.....
Well. It is one more "highly likely". Still no court's decision, just loudly cries of propaganda from both sides. The same as with latest "novichok" case - no proof, only declarations "You did it!" - "No, we didn't!" - "Yes you did it!" - "No we didn't!" - "Highly likely it was you!" - "No!" Political games nonstop.
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Moses
Well. It is one more "highly likely". Still no court's decision, just loudly cries of propaganda from both sides. The same as with latest "novichok" case - no proof, only declarations "You did it!" - "No, we didn't!" - "Yes you did it!" - "No we didn't!" - "Highly likely it was you!" - "No!" Political games nonstop.
Absolutely correct - the only difference being of course is that that we KNOW YOU did do it!!!! ( I'm joking.....well, maybe, HALF joking perhaps :-)
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Nirish guy
we KNOW YOU did do it!!!!
No. You think you know. Because your govt told it. That effect has own name: propaganda.
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Moses
No. You think you know. Because your govt told it. That effect has own name: propaganda.
I was joking .......but ok, I'm more than happy to go with your "highly likely" as I too think it was "highly likely" your Govt were up to there eyes in it and as guilty as hell. :-)
Our Govt couldn't possibly by wrong or lying to us about that or anything else of course as they would just never do that ! ( OK now you MUST know that I'm not being serious !! lol)
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Mr Putin's opponents do seem to have a lot of bad luck. Poisoning with Novichok. Polonium poisoning. Getting shot in the back in a heavily policed area outside the Kremlin etc.
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ALLEDGEDLY !!! Have you seen the bodies yourself personally, no ? Then you have no proof and you can't blame Mr Putin !!! ( Handy wee get out clause that ain't it :-)
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Russian secret agent's love of cathedral spires is well known and that is why they were in Salisbury. Those two bozos made that perfectly clear when interviewed about why they were there. The fact that a substance used in nuclear arsenal (geddit) and originating in Russia ended up on the streets at the same time is purely circumstantial.
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...oh for heavens sake, next you all will claim that we in the west are totally innocent...reason the US is so anti huawei is that they know what can be done when one controls the technology
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arsenal
Russian secret agent's love of cathedral spires is well known and that is why they were in Salisbury. Those two bozos made that perfectly clear when interviewed about why they were there. The fact that a substance used in nuclear arsenal (geddit) and originating in Russia ended up on the streets at the same time is purely circumstantial.
Yeah, and this is totally innocent and "case of Fortune's game" what UK's military laboratory where "novichok" has been tested is located just in 10 miles from Salisbury, correct?
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That is correct. No doubt the two agents are planning trips to see some of the other beautiful cathedrals of Europe. Perhaps in every city where a Russian dissident resides.
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Ok. Confirmation about vaccine by Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ine-from-april
Today announce in mass-medias: Russia will start vaccination of medical personnel in August. Vaccination will be free and on request. After medics they will offer vaccination to firefighters and police.
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according to numerous websites Moses that vaccine injection IS still at the experimental stage and hasn't passed all the various stages of clearance it seems ( still waiting on stage 3 test clearance it seems ?) - so IF?? that's so and aside from politics for a second but wondering if you were offered that injection would YOU take it ???
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...I'd jump at the opportunity if it meant I could travel and bypass all the quarantine regulations imposed by most countries...its 5 months since I've left the country...thank goodness I got an asian boarder...
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Nirish guy
according to numerous websites Moses that vaccine injection IS still at the experimental stage and hasn't passed all the various stages of clearance it seems ( still waiting on stage 3 test clearance it seems ?) - so IF?? that's so and aside from politics for a second but wondering if you were offered that injection would YOU take it ???
If they will offer vaccine from Gamaleya lab - I will run there and will accept it without any doubts. It is highest grade lab with high class scientists. Everyone here trusts them - that why these Russian senators and other "elite" take vaccination by them form April so easy even when vaccine is still experimental.
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Just announced here: from August 1 will again flights to London, Ankara and Istanbul, from August 10 to Antalya, Bodrum and Dalaman.
Ongoing discussions to open routes from August 15 to Vietnam, Shri-Lanka, Cuba, Egypt, Dominicana, UAE, Maldives, Mexico.
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latintopxxx
......thank goodness I got an asian boarder...
Not much use though when we're told that we're not allowed to enter any Asian boarders for the time being !? :) lol
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Putin today announced state approval and registration of Sputnik V - COVID-19 vaccine. As per him - one of his daughters already got vaccination.
As per Russian minister of health vaccination will starts at September. At first "stage" vaccine will be injected to doctors and other medical staff and teachers in schools. Then other "first line" staff: police, firefighters, rescue services, workers of public transport. For public use it will be available form January 1.
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Moses
Putin today announced state approval and registration of Sputnik V - COVID-19 vaccine. As per him - one of his daughters already got vaccination.
As per Russian minister of health vaccination will starts at September. At first "stage" vaccine will be injected to doctors and other medical staff and teachers in schools. Then other "first line" staff: police, firefighters, rescue services, workers of public transport. For public use it will be available form January 1.
Have they conducted a double-blind trial & posted the results in a Russian equivalent of The Lancet (Lancetski :) ) for peer review ?
By the story gets to the western press, there is not much detail about such trials, but there must have been some ?
Also, if certain western leaders announced a vaccine would be rolled out, without any prior publication of trial results, it would not be well received.
Of course, I hope it all works out OK and a little competition might just be the boot up the arse that's needed in certain western countries.
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goji
Also, if certain western leaders announced a vaccine would be rolled out, without any prior publication of trial results, it would not be well received.
Is it joke? Yes? At past 12 hours Russia got requests from different govts on 1 000 000 000 000 doses of "not well received" vaccine.
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goji
Have they conducted a double-blind trial & posted the results in a Russian equivalent of The Lancet (Lancetski :) ) for peer review ?
I doubt they will care to publish results: vaccine is developed by state lab, phase 1 was in military lab, phase 2 was in civil and military institutes (both state owned), phase 3 is still going from June in 1 civilian and 1 military hospitals.
I mean: it is state developed vaccine, it will be manufactured by state for internal use, not for sale. So they don't care about marketing, publication of results and so on. The only proofs what govt gave to public are: openly provided phase 2 and 3 - there are a lot of articles and videos of meetings with volunteers who got injections, Ministry of health officially announced registration of vaccine, president himself announced registration + participation of his daughter in testing.
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Moses
Is it joke?
No. If any western leader tried to rush through a vaccine without publishing large scale test results, there would be a lot of questions asked.
I think this is due to previous cases, such as when president Ford rushed through a vaccine in the 1970s and there were some bad side effects.
More recently, there was a problem with a dengue fever vaccine.
Not everyone reacts to vaccines in the same way & injecting the president's daughter isn't a statistically significant trial.
The Oxford vaccine has a 10,000 person phase 3 trial in the UK, plus trials in Brazil and South Africa. All double blind.
I'm not saying such caution is optimum. But if the western governments launched a vaccine without publishing large scale trial results, I'm sure there would be a lot of dissent.
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Moses
I doubt they will care to publish results: vaccine is developed by state lab, phase 1 was in military lab, phase 2 was in civil and military institutes (both state owned), phase 3 is still going from June in 1 civilian and 1 military hospitals.
I see your point. No one is going to argue with them if there is an unexpected problem with it.
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goji
The Oxford vaccine has a 10,000 person phase 3 trial in the UK, plus trials in Brazil and South Africa. All double blind.
I'm not saying such caution is optimum. But if the western governments launched a vaccine without publishing large scale trial results, I'm sure there would be a lot of dissent.
My main point I wrote in another thread. And it is: "not important how wide vaccine is tested, if there is not enough time to watch consequences". Normal test takes 3-4 years for to find all consequences what brings injection of vaccine. Today no one country will wait 3-4 years. No one. So 10000 or 1000 or even 100 does no matter, if they will be under health control only 3-4 months after injection.
I'm sure:
- first vaccine will be not the best (as it was with first test for COVID-19 in January-February) and next versions of vaccine will be much better than first is
- every (yes, every!) company and lab will be under pressure from their respective govt to lunch their vaccine as soon as possible
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if its good enough for the wealthy elite then I guess its good enough for me...wonder if I can order if off the Russian equivalent of eBay
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latintopxxx
if its good enough for the wealthy elite then I guess its good enough for me...wonder if I can order if off the Russian equivalent of eBay
I doubt if here will be sales. This vaccine must be frozen (-18C) all time before to be injected, as per labels on published photos.
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I’d expect that the Russian military’s extensive experience in planning for biological warfare has been an excellent basis for developing a vaccine. As Moses has said, this is obvious from the references to military bases
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Putin today announced state approval and registration of Sputnik V
The name they chose is Putin's not so subtle way of saying "Up yours, America!"
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I have some sympathy with Moses's view that there should be some urgency to vaccine development.
However, I'd still want to see trial results for ~10,000 people in a double blind trial.
Here's an example of independent press comment on the Russian vaccine: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/w...-approval.html
Of course, I'd still like to see the west accelerate things a little. If we look at the Russian case, where Moses informs us that they've run some trials in hospital, it follows that they have probably deliberately infected people in order to check the results. I think that's a good idea, as long as they were volunteers.
In contrast, the Oxford vaccine has expanded the trial to Brazil & South Africa, in order to get more exposure to random infections.
Considering the potential to accelerate vaccine development, at minimal risk AND with a lower net death rate, I think deliberately infecting volunteers should be considered in the west as well. ie Copy some methods which must have been used in Russia.
Finally, if Mr Putin has announced this vaccine before a phase 3 trial is complete, then obviously if phase 3 trials show some side effects, then "commitment bias" will make it more difficult to cancel the vaccine.
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Another example of media comment.
I don't agree with everything in it, as the writer does not know what test Russia HAS done to prove the vaccine is effective. However, it does flag up the main concerns over the difference in approach & indentifies why Russia is so quick.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-or-effective
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goji
However, I'd still want to see trial results for ~10,000 people in a double blind trial.
Why you need trial results when Sputnik-V will be used in Russia? Govt told what they will not distribute vaccine abroad until time when local needs will be fulfilled. But they accepted offers form some countries to build up manufacturing plants in these countries on 50/50.
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Moses
Why you need trial results when Sputnik-V will be used in Russia?
I don't. My comments were based on what I would want to see before taking it myself.
If anyone else on the planet wants to take it based on their own assessment, that's their choice.
I'd happily take the Russian vaccine myself, as long as I could see independent test data, with a suitable sample size.
However, at present, it would appear that the main difference between the Russian vaccine and (for example), the Oxford vaccine, is the Russian one is declared available before any phase 3 trial results are published.
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I find it sad that some of us refuse to accept that anything good can come out of Russia....
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francois
Vodka.
How beneficial is it if administered by injection or IV drip?
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dinagam
How beneficial is it if administered by injection or IV drip?
I prefer by oral injection although I have read it can be by rectal injection.
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latintopxxx
I find it sad that some of us refuse to accept that anything good can come out of Russia....
Has anyone here taken such a stance ?
Whether the vaccine is manufactured in Russia or the UK, knowing that in both cases there's pressure to bring a vaccine out as fast as possible, I'd want to see the same standard of trial results.
I've also had dealings with numerous Russians at my former employer. They were well educated and generally very impressive.