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It's not like I flipped out, and started yelling or anything. By no means was I rude or disrespectful to any immigration or police officer.
But yes, I'm sure I was visibly distraught, because I knew full well what was going to happen. Then naturally in that situation, your mind goes to the worst possible scenario, so in my mind my dogs were going to get murdered and eaten,
I'd never see Leo again, I was going to be in Thai jail for months maybe, then spend my life in Canada alone and blind.
I didn't really do anything bad. Just kind of said fuck it, I'm going over to the corner here, sitting down, having a smoke, and you guys do whatever the hell you want, type of thing. Nothing that would have caused me to get black listed. Don't worry, we'll fine out in a few weeks once I mail my new passport to the Laos embassy in Vancouver.
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cdnmatt
It's not like I flipped out, and started yelling or anything. By no means was I rude or disrespectful to any immigration or police officer.
But yes, I'm sure I was visibly distraught, because I knew full well what was going to happen. Then naturally in that situation, your mind goes to the worst possible scenario, so in my mind my dogs were going to get murdered and eaten,
I'd never see Leo again, I was going to be in Thai jail for months maybe, then spend my life in Canada alone and blind.
I didn't really do anything bad. Just kind of said fuck it, I'm going over to the corner here, sitting down, having a smoke, and you guys do whatever the hell you want, type of thing. Nothing that would have caused me to get black listed. Don't worry, we'll fine out in a few weeks once I mail my new passport to the Laos embassy in Vancouver.
You seem genuinely confused about blacklisting, Matt. You have been blacklisted by Thailand. You have been denied entry by Laos because you have been blacklisted by Thailand.The Lao immigration computers almost certainly have recorded the fact that someone of your name, nationality and date of birth was denied entry and probably why. As you are blind you cannot see directly what they did, so you are simply making assumptions or relying on hearsay evidence such as Leo might provide.
The Lao Embassy may or may not issue you with a visa. All that does is allow you to travel to a Lao border where passport control will evaluate whether to allow or deny you entry. Maybe they will match you up with what's already in their system, maybe they won't. Maybe they'll re-evaluate your circumstances and permit you to enter, maybe they won't. It's entirely up to the Immigration officer(s) on duty at the time.
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No problem, matt, if they deport you, you will already have a return flight to Canada.:stop_mini: But we know they will allow you in and the saga of Leo and the Dogs will continue on and on.:devilsh:
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StevieWonders
You seem genuinely confused about blacklisting, Matt. You have been blacklisted by Thailand. You have been denied entry by Laos because you have been blacklisted by Thailand.The Lao immigration computers almost certainly have recorded the fact that someone of your name, nationality and date of birth was denied entry and probably why. As you are blind you cannot see directly what they did, so you are simply making assumptions or relying on hearsay evidence such as Leo might provide.
The Lao Embassy may or may not issue you with a visa. All that does is allow you to travel to a Lao border where passport control will evaluate whether to allow or deny you entry. Maybe they will match you up with what's already in their system, maybe they won't. Maybe they'll re-evaluate your circumstances and permit you to enter, maybe they won't. It's entirely up to the Immigration officer(s) on duty at the time.
Now you have me debating whether or not I should change my mind. Initial plan was once we submit my passport application, and the accept everything, I'll send Leo a good chunk of money to pay 6 months rent, get setup in Vientiane, and get the dogs back under his care. Now I may wait until I have physically crossed the Laos border to do that.
Sucks for the dogs, but might work out better. That way, Leo and myself can hang out in a hotel for a few days, and check out houses together.
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cdnmatt
Now you have me debating whether or not I should change my mind. Initial plan was once we submit my passport application, and the accept everything, I'll send Leo a good chunk of money to pay 6 months rent, get setup in Vientiane, and get the dogs back under his care. Now I may wait until I have physically crossed the Laos border to do that.
Sucks for the dogs, but might work out better. That way, Leo and myself can hang out in a hotel for a few days, and check out houses together.
I think that would be your best option, as sending Leo a good chunk of money may not be a good idea just yet.
So get your visa first (if it's granted) then fly to Lao and take it from there?
Good luck
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Originally Posted by
Blacktouch
I think that would be your best option, as sending Leo a good chunk of money may not be a good idea just yet.
So get your visa first (if it's granted) then fly to Lao and take it from there?
Good luck
Nah, change of plans again. Dogs are still alive, but doesn't sound like for much longer if they stay where they are. They're fine, but causing quite a few problems I guess. I don't know what the "problems" are yet, and will find out once Leo gets up. I'm guessing the usual -- killing chickens, making people crash their motorbikes, kicking the shit out of other dogs, etc. I'll just run the risk that I'll be allowed entry into Laos, and Leo can get a house now. If I get lucky, I'll be back in Asia in about a week anyway. See what happens.
Oh, and confirmed by even a Canadian doctor, I am indeed blind. Well, no shit. Now maybe Leo, my family, and everyone else in my life will shut up with the, "well, you really need to get checked out by a doctor in Canada, because you know, Thailand is 3rd world and the doctors there aren't very good". Never really understood that argument as optic nerve damage is optic nerve damage, but whatever, done and confirmed. Optic nerves are dead.
Maybe I'll get to see again in 10 - 20 years once they figure out how to fix spinal cords, but for now, I'm blind.
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This is really starting to get under my nerves. My current passport is a 2 year limited validity passport, which is also glued to my previous passport. Tyhis shows neat things like 7 years of overstay in Thailand, the 5 year black list, and so on. Not exactly the greatest look.
Canada refuses to issue me a new passport, as mine has 21 months of validity left, and they will only process a new passport application if there's less than 12 months of validity on the existing passport. So I have to wait until January 26th, 2019 to submit a new passport application. Just fucken great.
Ok, off to Laos immigration lawyers then. If that doesn't work, then off to Canadian immigration lawyers to get Leo here.
Fucken hell...
Too bad same-sex marriage isn't legal in Laos. This would make everything a whole lot easier.
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pro tip:
Mugging on street and loss of passport and wallet... Damn (insert pejorative term for foreigners in Canada) taking advantage of your blindness...
Problem solved... Plus shiny new ATM cards!
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The old "washing machine" trick is safer than making a false police report.
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Just report your passport as lost or stolen, get a Police reference number, and apply for a new one. Simple.
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Yeah, that was an option I thought of. Then I thought maybe they recorded my visit to the passport office, so if I show up tomorrow with a damaged passport, it's going to look pretty suspicious.
Then I thought, denying a Canadian citizen a passport is possible, but VERY difficult. From my understanding, it has to go through the courts and a federal judge has to agree to it. That means immigration Canada needs something like evidence that I'm an Islamic funadamentalist who plans to travel to Syria and join ISIS, or similar. I highly doubt having a "blind moment", and accidentally spilling a mug of hot coffee on my open passport will be enough for a judge to deny me the right to a passport.
I don't like to take chances though, so my crazy idea which both my parents and Leo think is ludicrous is... There's a couple small colleges about a 20 minute drive away, so I'm sure over the internet I can find a couple young, money hungry students to play actresses for an hour. Meet one of them at a coffee shop to "help" me fill out the visitor VISA application for Laos. Then the other girl will "stumble" and "accidentally" knock over a cup of coffee into my open passport. Then we call the police, and get an official police report stating that the ditzy blond damaged my passport, not me.
That way, even if I end up with an asshole for a senior immigration official when I hand over my damaged passport, I'll have a police report with me saying it wasn't my fault. From there, he'll most likely just push the application through, and won't even bother trying to push it to the courts to try and deny me a passport, because he knows full well the judge won't side with him.
Sounds crazy, but I bet it would work. I don't know, these stupid fucken laws and regulations can fuck off. All I know is Leo isn't willing to give up, so neither am I, and one way or another, we're getting back together.
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NitNoi
The old "washing machine" trick is safer than making a false police report.
No, washing machines don't kill passports. I know, I accidentally washed my first husband's passport before years ago. Came out just fine.
I don't know, fired off e-mails to a bunch of immigration lawyers in Vientiane today, and see what happens. I'd very much prefer not to have to commit a federal crime and damage my passport in order for Leo and myself to get back together, but I will if I have to.
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cdnmatt
I don't know, fired off e-mails to a bunch of immigration lawyers in Vientiane today, and see what happens. I'd very much prefer not to have to commit a federal crime and damage my passport in order for Leo and myself to get back together, but I will if I have to.
I must be short of something to do, but Matt it was I who pointed out, in post #300, that the Lao authorities would no doubt keep a record of anyone being refused entry and the grounds for it.
I didn't point it out at the time, as you weren't talking about a duplicate passport, that it would be extremely remiss of the Canadian Authorities not to keep a similar record of their citizens arriving back in Canada after being refused entry to another country and equally, or more especially, those having just been deported arriving back in Canada. They cannot have missed all those big rubber stamps.
If you don't believe that, just think for a moment about any future legal issues where the Canadian Immigration may have an input...they just wouldn't be doing their job right if they didn't keep proper records.
Whatever you try they will be on your case like a Mamasan chasing a large tip.
I would wish you luck but this is, after all, pie in the sky!
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gerefan2
I would wish you luck
I gave this a 'like' not because I like Matt's situation, but because I agree with gerefan's analysis. Even if there is a valid Lao entry visa obtained in Canada, showing up at the airport in Vientiane with that history of blacklisting and deportation will very likely be impossible to overcome.
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@gerefan2 -- You don't know exactly how Laos immigration conducts itself, and nor do I, hence why I contacted a bunch of lawyers in Vientiane today.
I do know I cleared a 3+ year overstay at the Nong Khai border before the new black listing laws were implemented, and I was able to walk into Laos without issue. Then I also know the police in Nong Khai said I should have flown from BKK to Vientiane, and would have probably got in. Whether or not they know what they're talking about, no idea, hence lawyers.
Of course Canada has a record of me now, as they pulled me into secondary for 4 hours when I arrived. If anything though, that's a positive, not a negative, as all it will say is "checked him out, he was clean".
Canada and Laos immigration will have basically no cooperation at all, so I don't really care what Canada has recorded. And Canada denying me a passport is near impossible, especially since I have absolutely no criminal record in any country.
One thing that does irk me though is apparently, that black list stamp just says I'm blacklisted, but doesn't say WHY I'm black listed. So naturally, everyone is just going to assume I have some kind of criminal record in Thailand, which simply isn't true. I did not break the criminal code of Thailand. I remember the Canadian customs officer was absolutely certain I must be lieing, and must have committed some type of crime to get blacklisted, as there's no way it could just be for an overstay.
I had a bunch of deportation papers from Thailand, but no idea what they actually said. I don't think much though, as the Canadian customs officer read through them. Will never know, as my father is getting older, and threw about an inch of documents of mine into the recycle bin.
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cdnmatt
I don't know, fired off e-mails to a bunch of immigration lawyers .
Can you stop saying, bunch of, it really makes my skin crawl
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Oh mr giggles what have you done? "bunch of" will now become the collective noun of choice for everything. Some might consider that apposite. Haha.
:yes:
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Anyboby blacklisted or refused entry into either Thailand or Laos, the Immigration department would have kept records of Matt's situation. Because how else would they know, especially when people always get new passports because they deliberately had their passports lost, stolen, damage, or it had expired?
Everybody who were banned in the past would just be entering those Countries undetected. So of course they keep records and photos. Especially as this occurred recently.
So the thought of any passport having had coffee spillage, lost, stolen, expired or simple damage in any other way will not work.
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cdnmatt
I don't like to take chances though, so my crazy idea which both my parents and Leo think is ludicrous is... There's a couple small colleges about a 20 minute drive away, so I'm sure over the internet I can find a couple young, money hungry students to play actresses for an hour. Meet one of them at a coffee shop to "help" me fill out the visitor VISA application for Laos. Then the other girl will "stumble" and "accidentally" knock over a cup of coffee into my open passport. Then we call the police, and get an official police report stating that the ditzy blond damaged my passport, not me.
ut I bet it would work. I don't know, these stupid fucken laws and regulations can fuck off. All I know is Leo isn't willing to give up, so neither am I, and one way or another, we're getting back together.
Go for it matt, this is the best idea you have developed. A sure winner!:dirol_mini:
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No, that's most likely not true.
Yes, I'm assuming Thailand definitely has full records. I could probably even change my name, get a new passport, and it still wouldn't matter. If I hit the Thailand border, anyone with a Canada passport and my birthdate will probably pop up on their screen including my photo, so even with a name change I'm still black listed from Thailand.
However, at the Laos border I was simply refused entry. It was hardly a big issue, such as criminal charge, actual deportation, or anything of that matter. There's a good chance it's really not that big of a deal.
Another thing I don't know about it how coordinated the ASEAN countries are when it comes to immigration, but I'm guessing not much, otherwise they'd have more streamlined immigration policies. I don't know at the moment, and that's why I contacted immigration lawyers.
See what happens...
All I know is neither, Leo or myself are going to give up, and we will be back together at some point. I just really hope my dogs are still alive at the time.
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christianpfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDjsKST8TK0
starting from 1:09:00
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arsenal
Oh mr giggles what have you done? "bunch of" will now become the collective noun of choice for everything. Some might consider that apposite. Haha.
:yes:
There certainly are a bunch of A--Holes around..
:crazy_mini:
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francois
Go for it matt, this is the best idea you have developed. A sure winner!:dirol_mini:
Exactly! I mean what could go wrong?
:dash:
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cdnmatt
Besides, there's some perks to being blind. For example, you poor suckers are stuck actually walking through airports to your gates, waiting in line at security and immigration, etc. I don't have to worry about any of that anymore. From the time I check in at the front counter, someone rushes over with a wheel chair, and I get pushed around until I hit the arrivals area at my final destination.
When there's a layover, I guess I'm the last off the plane, but there's someone right there at the gate with a wheel chair waiting for me. Just tell them I want to go to dury free or for a cigarette, and they wheel me right over, before whelling me to the door of the next airplane.
Don't have to go through security lines. I go through special ones, they quickly scan my bags, give me a quick pat down, and off I go. No waiting involved. Same goes for immigration, at least in Canada. None of this waiting in line bullshit. I got taken through the secure Gold area on one of those golf cart things where there's no people and just one immigration officer sitting behind a nice desk. Granted, I got pulled into secondary for about 4 hours after that, but hopefully that was just a one time occurrence.
See, it's not all bad being blind. :)
Love the perks!
Considering "going blind" myself!
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DoubleDutch
Considering "going blind" myself!
Considering?? Aren't all Pattaya farang already blind? For there are none so blind as those who will not see.