kkjason, at the risk of continuing this post forever, can you confirm, that the photo matt posted of himself and Leo, is the matt you know?
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kkjason, at the risk of continuing this post forever, can you confirm, that the photo matt posted of himself and Leo, is the matt you know?
The million dollar question is not does he exist, but where is he, and why is he quiet.
I'm guessing he is enjoying the time away from the bullies!
Bullies?
Surely that can't be true when the board is meticulously moderated?
In any event, I'll happily accept KKJasons statement that he has previously posted that Matt (and his situation) is genuine - can't say I noticed his previous posts (and I sure ain't gonna search them) but that's unimportant. When I wrote "right on cue" it was in the context of this thread, not his entire posting history.
Now, if only the handful of people who have consistently disparaged Matt could bring themselves to admit they may have been wrong, it would be progress.
It would be a great finale to the cdnmatt posting career - he just never posts again. Like the Marie Celeste
Well we're not sure of Matt's current whereabouts. Personally I think he does the board a tremendous service with his posts for a number of reasons. I think of his threads as like the ubiquitous bar/pub in soap operas. A place where characters can meet and talk without spoiling other storylines.
I must confess that I do not read every posting on the board, so what photo are you referring to?
The photo of Matt & Leo:
https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showt...ght=matt+photo
November 19th, 2017, 03:16
Post # 25
Well, just recently arrived at my parent's house in Canada. Fuck!
Got banged up for a few days, 2 nights at a Nong Khai holding center, then 3 nights at the IDC before being deported. Damn, this sucks. Got out of Thailand without any issue. Simply paid my 20,000 baht, got blacklisted for 5 years, and we were out the door within minutes without issue.
Problem occurred at the Laos border. They wouldn't allow me entry, due to that blacklisting stamp. I guess when Thailand imposed that new blacklisting laws, Laos also changed their immigration rules and no longer allow entry via land to anyone with a blacklist stamp from Thailand. The Laos border refused to allow entry, even after 100,000 baht, and after about a 90 minute outburst from me, we were forced to go back to Nong Khai. Sure enough, since I was already blacklisted I was immediately detained.
Then sure enough, upon arrival in Canada I get pulled into secondary for a 3 hour interview and search by customs.
Anyway, dogs are with some Laos stransger, I think Leo is still in Bangkok but uncertain. Not sure what his short-term plans currently are, but I'm working at getting all four of us back together. If anyone wants details about IDC or anything, just let me know.
Matt you now lost me. You were banged up on Sunday and Monday in Nong Khai, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at the idc, and on Friday afternoon you are already in Canada, not possible. Unless you didn't really spend Thursday night at the IDC.
Your story seems like a stick up, why would the Lao care that you have a blacklisting from Thailand ?
In any case, many posts again I suggested you have a ticket out to Canada ready, and sure enough that's where you ended up, at least if you can be believed, which seems less and less likely.
Oh sorry, screwed up. Ok, if you want an exact timeline:
- Departed Khon Kaen about 7am.
- Got to border around 9am, 10 mins to exit Thailand.
- Denied entry at Laos, 90 mins og me throwing a fit, and we go back to Nong Khai where I'm arrested.
- By around 2pm we're all checked into the holding cell at Nong Khai. Leo was nice enough to come with me, and the police were nice enough to allow him as they were worried about me too. Was actually really nice. Huge room, just Leo and myself, nice comfortable mattresses (well, for a jail), pillows, large fan, TV, etc.
- Spent one night there, and all of the next day. That night we (myself, Leo, and police guy) drove to Udon Thani, and took a plane down to Bangkok where I was checked into IDC. Was checked in around midnight, and spent first night in room A14.
- Next morning, fingerprinted again, and moved to room 7, a more permanent unit. Spent that all day, that night, and most of next day. One the second day around 6pm I was pulled out and told I'm going home.
- They dragged about 30 of us out of our rooms, and put us into a small holding cell outside for the night. Around 4am the next morninng, military came and grabbed us all and transported us to BKK.
- I was on an airplane to Seoul at 9:20am that morning. 60 min layover, then off to Vancouver.
Now I'm here.
If wanted, Moses or one of the mods is welcome to confirm that I'm nhow posting from a Canadian IP address.
Oh, and to answer the question. Prior to the blacklisting laws, 98% of people coming across that Nong Khai border with a large overstay were simply there to spend a couple days in Laos, get a tourist VISA, then return to Thailand, so no worries about them.
However, now they can't return to Thailand, so where are they going to stay? Right, most likely just overstay in Laos, same as they did Thailand. That's why Laos obviously cares.
Sorry to hear that Matt. I hope you find a way to make the best of it going forward.
Yes, it sounds like a horrible experience you've been through Matt and I hope you can work something out. Keep your chin up, as we English say.
Well, I'm fine, and Leo's fine. I'm no longer in IDC, so I'm happy. WThere's about 100 people per-room there, so while there I met quite a few people who have been there for 6+ months, and heard many stories about people being there for years because they can't afford a flight out, and have no friends ir family to help. Thankfully, I was out right away.
Leeo's fine, although a little lost as to what to do, and a little worried that I will just forget him and stay in Canada. I think he knows not to worry about it though.
Now my dogs on the other hand I'm worried sick about. Will get Leo another chunk of money in the next few days, he can rent another house, pick up the dogs and move with them there. As long as their under Leo's care, then I'll be happy, and we can work on the rest. They're terrified I'm sure, and have no clue what just happened.
I guess get fucked if you ever think I'm getting them into a carrier cage again.
Right Matt, so you already got your story mixed up. If the Lao were so uptight about overstaying how did you obtain your visa at the KK consulate, as you claimed you already obtain said visa. Surely the consulate staff there would have noticed you were already on an extensive overstay.
In any case, you have been warned about the consequences of your extensive overstay, and that you would most likely end up in Canada.
On the one hand I feel sorry for you (providing all of this is indeed true) on the other hand, it IS your own fault. Overstaying by a few days or so can happen, overstaying with a few years, is simply taking the Mickey. AND you had plenty of warning to get legit again, just about 1.5 years ago, you could have walked through that border, with the 20K fine and returned with a proper visa, and yes many people have done so at the time. You failed to do so, and are now blacklisted.
Good luck with the dogs and Leo, providing your story is true. Forgive me if I am very very sceptical about all of this.
As to proof, all it would take is a copy of the blacklist stamp you received in your passport.
If you are a believer, then a friendly, non-judgmental request to Matt for clarification of perceived discrepancies would not be out of order and would almost always be answered without delay.
If you are a non-believer, then Matt's tales should be treated simply as fiction, and as with any fictional work, it is not appropriate to interrogate the writer or accuse him of a lack of candor. Matt may be guilty of ill advised decisions, and his tales may be imaginary, but there is no requirement that any poster always be truthful.
Recalling the late and non-lamented Beachlover persona: when he lost all credibility he simply decamped rather than admit any type of malfeasance. Matt, however, is still with us, despite the treatment he has received. Perhaps that says something about his veracity?
Matt is what he is, or whatever you want to make of him.
He's not mainstream, and he may be swimming upstream against the current, but that's his freedom to choose. IMHO.
I thought Matt had paid the rent for the house in Lao for 3 months in advance?
So why don't Leo stay there with the dogs?
Well, not sure what you want me to do. No problem really posting the blacklisting stamp, but I can't. Even if I knew what page the stamp was on, I'd have to take a photo of it with my phone, and somehow e-mail that photo to myself. There's no way I'll be able to do that. Leo usually does that kind of thing for me, and I'm not asking my parents for help with that.
Again, if Moses wants, he has my permission to confirm that I am indeed now posting from a residential Canadian IP address from an ISP.
Anyone by chance curious as to what IDC is like, or waste of time writing a description? It sucks quite badly, but honestly isn't as horrible as those reports from Amnesty International make it out to be saying it's cruel and inhumane. It sucks, but by no means is that inhumane.
Matt's post #137 quote:
[Nope, still here and doing fine. Got a house secured for 3 months I guess, so I'm happy with that.
Just a couple last final preperations to take care of, and we're out the door to Vientiane.]
So what's happend to that house which was paid for 3 months in advance?
Also Matt's post #158
[Well, Sunday is the big day. House owner in Vientiane works during the week, so wants to do it Sunday. They changed their mind though, and want 6 months upfront, but I guess no damage deposit. We talked to her, and agreed 3 months upon arrival, then a week or two later, we'll pay the remaining 3 months, once we have some time to live in the house, and ensure things like hot water and A/Cs are working, the foundation isn't fucked, the area is decent, the roof doesn't leak, electric doesn't go out because you have too many lights on, etc.]
So has the 3 months upfront been cancelled?
No, we didn't pay, just had a verbal agreement. We were going to pay that morning upon arrival, in exchange for the keys. That's why we waited until Sunday to move -- it was more conenient for the house owner, as she works during the week.
That must have been a weird phone call.
Leo: Hi
Owner: Hi, are you almost here?
Leo: No, I'm in jail in Nong Khai right now.
Owner: What?!?
This (my) post a few pages back ... #171:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiles
In my experience South East Asian consulates hand out visitor visas on a no questions asked basis, no care, no responsibility. The Cambodians allow for a visa to be issued without any sighting of the passport whatsoever with their online visa application. It's always up to the Immigration officers at the border to decide whether they will permit the visa holder to enter the country, and that's true of every country in the world.
the Lao don't care about overstay, of course it is Always up to the discretion of the relevant immigration officer. But fact is, the Lao don't care, there are no blacklisting rules for overstaying, no jail time, just a fine payable. The question you should ask yourself is this, if the Lao have a law to not allow blacklisted persons (which I doubt actually exists, as I know people who gained access to Lao whilst being blacklisted from Thailand) how come Nong Khai immigration let Matt just leave, instead of just deporting him as they apparently have done after the 90 minute hissy fit he threw at the Lao. (unless of course the 20K went into their own back pocket :D)
I think Matty is not telling the whole truth.
I was given special treatment. Why do you think I was out of IDC so quickly? I was only there for about 54 hours, and was out. And the only reason it was that long was because there were a couple delays on our end getting the flight booked, but I could have been out probably 18 hours earlier. That never happens. If you end up at IDC, expect at least 5 days if not longer, all depending on your situation, or at least that's what I gathered from others stories. Many are in there for weeks or months before being deported, and I guess some even years. They took care of me as quickly as they could, but still had to go through the proper deportation procedure.
Then the Nong Khai police were awesome. They let Leo stay with me, thanked him for taking care of me, put us in our own room, brought us food from the market, etc. I was terrified so wasn't eating, and for some reason Leo told them I like alcohol quite a bit during check-in, so the one police officer said if I eat my jot for breakfast, he'll bring me some alcohol later that afternoon, which he did, so that was nice of him. Then Leo was allowed to come and go as desired, so it was no problems.
Then I'm assuming this isn't standard, but the guy organizing our departure to BKK called Leo and told him where to be and when. When I got out of the prison truck Leo was there, and we were allowed to wander around the airport a bit by ourselves, have a cigarette, and say goodbye to each other. Granted, there was an airport cop following us around the entire time, but nonetheless, I don't think most inmates get that kind of treatment.
When he was organizing our departure, I didn't have my luggage, so we called Leo and got him to rush to the IDC to drop it off. My luggage finally arrived, but there was no Leo in sight, as I guess he was stuck outside of the secured area. I pleaded with the guy to let me just give me a quick 5 second hug before I go back to Canada. He empathized with me, and said it's because he's from Burma so he knows what it's like to be a foreigner too. Unfortunately, the guys at the gate wouldn't let Leo in, so the Burma guy must have called him and arranged for us to spend some time at BKK in the morning before I left.
Huh ? Anyone can get out of the IDC quickly as long as they can produce a ticket home and the fine payable, which could be as low as 12K regardless of the lenght of overstay. We all know the stories of the IDC, I personally know someone who has been a lawyer for people banged up in the IDC for years, you have not really been given special treatment at all. As long as you pay and produce that ticket, they won't hold you any longer than strictly necessary.
As I understand it there are degrees of blacklisting and Matt received the highest grade. Perhaps lower-grade blacklists receive a different treatment.
How could "Nong Kai immigration" deport Matt? Denying entry and telling him to go back to Thailand is deportation if someone enters via a land border. It's only at airports where a formal deportation occurs because the offender has to be placed onto an aircraft to take him back to where he belongs. (Yes, I used to work for a border security outfit)
Matt strikes me as a typical Millenial. That is, he's needy and he thinks he's special. If he was making this story up he would have done some more thorough research to make sure it hangs together rather than giving opportunities for the Forum Nasties to try to pick holes.
I am confused ....is Matt enroute to Canada? I thought he was going to live with Leo in Lao? And where are Matt's dogs?