Re: World-wide decrease of male-male sex
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Originally Posted by Curious
What about Islam?
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Originally Posted by Henry Cate
Anyway, IтАЩll quote him again. тАЬHenry,тАЭ said he, тАЬin America we think we are 95% straight and 5% gay. Well, here in Tunisia, if you walk down the street, you will see 20% just totally not interested, 40% who can be chatted round, and the last 40% are JUST AS INTERESTED AS YOU ARE.тАЭ
In Islamic countries the frequency of male-male sex is in all likelihood traditionally higher than in Western countries, where male-male sex is now increasingly limited to males with a gay identity.
The ┬╗gay liberation┬л was an exclusively ┬╗gay liberation┬л, not a ┬╗male liberation┬л from the heterosexual/homosexual dichotomy. It was very short-sighted not to proselytize the ┬╗heterosexual┬л world, because small minorities are time and again endangered. The border that separates male-female and male-male sex has become even more impenetrable.
Male-male sex of partners without a gay identity is decreasing in Western countries and will decrease in other countries as well with the advancing ┬╗gay liberation┬л or ┬╗gay colonisation┬л. On balance, there will be less male-male sex in the near future. Sexual revolution, freedom of choice? No chance!
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Originally Posted by Dodger
I also related to your comment about the str8 village boys, as their definition of "str8" does not have the definitive borders that the classification of "str8" seems to have in other cultures. The truth of this statement being emphasized by the fact that a str8 working boy will hop in the sack with you at the drop of a dime (oh well, 1,000 baht anyway), where as some str8 boys working up on the farm will toss in the hay with you just for the fun experience. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by In ┬╗Sexual Behavior in the Human Male┬л (1948), Alfred C. Kinsey
┬╗If homosexual activity persists on as large a scale as it does, in the face of the very considerable public sentiment against it and in spite of the severity of the penalties that our Anglo-American culture has placed upon it through the centuries, there seems some reason for believing that such activity would appear in the histories of a much larger portion of the population if there were not social restraints.┬л (659/660)
Version 1.01 All that counts is the ┬╗forceless force of the better argument┬л. Why not quote the devil?
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Originally Posted by In ┬╗Colonialism and Homosexuality┬л (London: Routledge, 2003:100), Robert Aldrich
Many Britons serving in commanding positions overseas were the product of the hothouse atmosphere of public schools and single-sex colleges, where intimate male bonding, homosociality and homoeroticism veered off towards homosexuality. These conditions, and the emotions they engendered, continued overseas during expeditions, military campaigns and administrative postings.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
You're scraping the bottom of the barrel in quoting Henry Cate.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
[quote=Beach Bunny]
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Originally Posted by "Gone Fishing":utdpfcpn
Well, she still managed second place.
Which is exactly what Adam the Fag managed. One would think if there was such a strong anti-gay (or perceived gay) bias, he would not have even made it into the top ten.[/quote:utdpfcpn]
Unless one were one of the many homophilics on this board (I am beginning to like that word, in cas you had not noticed!)
Re: American Idol Homophobia
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
I assume you have no training in the social sciences, no training in methods or statistics,
Another unfounded assumption,as usual.
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
I think I have to repeat myself so that you finally get the message
Wrong again. Try something specific, that stands or falls on its own merits here(such as your baseless accusations) instead.
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
I did not write that тАШcontrol and power formed the basis of all relationships.тАЩ. This is an example of adding words and emphasis to my post to bolster your own opinion. And again I think it makes you a lying piece of shit. I expect you to offer up some bullshit that you were not refering to my post and that you really did not ...blah balh balh.. lying shit.
Wrong again. I was referring specifically to your post, and that is exactly what I meant. I never said that those were your exact words (a quote), but unless you are trying to find a substantial difference between "in charge" and "in control" it is an accurate and objective summary of your post. The full post is at is-it-really-lying-t17586-45.html?hilit=control (page 3), as you need to refresh your memory, but your critical sentences (unedited beween full stops) are as follows (I quote):
"All relationships are about power - and who has power in what domain and in what situation........."Who is in charge" in a partner type relationship? That question should always arise. ...How those questions are answered IMHO is the basis of a partnership... It is foolish to believe that those type of questions about power can be ignored."
Feel free to try again.
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
As for the paper in question тАУ I admit I am incorrect. I had assumed that someone who made such forceful posts about a subject must think they know something about the subject at hand. I do apologize for mistaking postings based on pure ignorance for statements about some underlying expterise - my mistake.
Wrong again; both your original assumption and your conclusion are, as usual, unfounded. I have never claimed any expertise in this area, neither have I said that I am ignorant in it. Your comprehension skills are letting you down again - being uninterested in a subject does not necessarily mean being ignorant of it.
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
I could be wrong
The only true thing you have said so far (although it was taken out of context).
Try harder - at least it will make you feel important for a little while, alhough I doubt anyone else is reading this.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
Ah...it is childish to get into pissing contests about the meaning of words..but for me it is summer break and I need the diversion..All the cute boys have gone away for summer vacation.
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
I did not write that тАШcontrol and power formed the basis of all relationships.тАЩ. This is an example of adding words and emphasis to my post to bolster your own opinion. And again I think it makes you a lying piece of shit. I expect you to offer up some bullshit that you were not referring to my post and that you really did not ...blah blah. lying shit.
Wrong again. I was referring specifically to your post, and that is exactly what I meant. I never said that those were your exact words (a quote), but unless you are trying to find a substantial difference between "in charge" and "in control" it is an accurate and objective summary of your post.
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I mean this in the nicest way - DonтАЩt tell me what I meant you stupid fuck. It is clearly not an accurate and objective summary of my post тАУ If you are claiming that you are an objective observer of my posts then you need to go back to the dictionary and not only look up the phrase тАШsexual normтАЩ but you need to get a clear understanding of the meaning of the word objective тАУ tsk tsk. Changing words and meaning is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
If you were my student I would give you a failing grade.
Now write 100 times on the black board тАУ I gf am a lying piece of shit.
Well at least you have stopped trying to claim that you used the phrase тАШsexual normтАЩ correctly тАУ LetтАЩs see those posting which clearly showed you had used the word incorrectly must have done the trick. Good job GF is detect progress in your intelectual development. You get a gold star.
My area of research is gays and lesbians in the workplace and I read extensively other literature on the general topic of gays and lesbians. It is clear from your posting that you have no understanding of the research or in general how social science research is conducted. It is also clear to me that you have no training or background in statistics. So your comments on these matters are purely uninformed opinion. Sure you donтАЩt want to swap CVs? I would be happy to prove my expertiseтАжdo I detect a bit of fear on your part that you will be shown to be a big fat liar? Liar Liar Liar - (if we are being childish lets go all the way)
I will go back to why IMHO this is an important topic. We as gays and lesbians have the ability to shape the perceptions of many of the heteros that we interact with. Interacting with them tends to lessen their negative feelings of homosexuality and homosexuals. IMHO тАУ that is an important idea and an important strategy for gaining greater acceptance.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
Well, I lived in a Muslim country for ten years; I found this to be trueтАж They have as many or more gays, but very few that are openly gay. Obviously, they like to keep both of their heads where they are. I would say that Islam in general is much more anti gay than Christian and western thought. But, what can I say I had a 6 year lover there but as far as I know no one knew we were lovers, men living with men is accepted because of the economics there are few that can afford to live like I lived on their own and it often takes more than one to pay the bills. If you get out of the city, it really gets serious and anything that might happen would bring immediate and aggressive rebuke, they would be thrown out of the family encouraged to marry to cover their proclivity and as well have children, so the family can maintain its standing among other Muslims.
The USA is changing slowly but changing, I was there when it was cool to be gay just before the HIV problem came along. Then everything changed and we were set back 20 or 30 years. Now things seem to be changing since we have learned about safe sex and now the straight people are still going bareback. I do not mean to belittle those who bareback, I do like my porn bareback but engaging enough to realize I need to play safe.
As to the question, it was really an open question that brought with it a lot of room to wiggle. Exactly waht were you asking if I did not hit it with my rabbit trails.
All the best my dear Curious,
Wes
Re: American Idol Homophobia
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Originally Posted by Curious
" ... You're scraping the bottom of the barrel in quoting Henry Cate ... "
THE PROLIFIC MR CATE
'Henry Cate' is now posting voraciously on Ting Tong Board under the handle 'Jaafar'(possible sp?). Whenever an innocuous reference to Sawatdee comes up he jumps in with all four feet and slangs it off just as voraciously. 'Jaafar' has issues ... but we all knew that.
'Jaafar' is a shortened version of his original handle on Sawatdee a few years ago (which he also took a powder from, in a very similar dramatic fashion). He first appeared on the very very early original Dreaded Ned board under the handle of 'Tex'.
AMERICAN IDOLICITY
But, to the original topic: that American Idol show is the most bloated, mediocre, over-hyped piece of unwatchable trash I've come to expect from Fox . . . i.e. the variety show version of a Glenn Beck right wing rant . . . . wherein (also being an i.e.) I can easily assume a generalized homophobia to be a socially acceptable stance.
But, the Gay Guy's voice sucked as well.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
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Originally Posted by pissyboy
I mean this in the nicest way - DonтАЩt tell me what I meant you stupid fuck.
I didn't - merely what you said.
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Originally Posted by pissyboy
If you were my student I would give you a failing grade.
If I were your student I would deserve one.
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Originally Posted by kittyboy
Sure you donтАЩt want to swap CVs? I would be happy to prove my expertiseтАж
What is this fixation with my CV? I have made my reasons for not giving you mine or making it public very clear. If you would be so happy to "prove" your expertise then why not do so here? If you do not, after all this rhetoric, anyone bored enough to still be reading this thread may "detect a bit of fear on your part that you will be shown to be a big fat liar? Liar Liar Liar" !!!
Wes and Smiles, I am surprised to see the two of you here. My excuse is that we are in the middle of a thunderstorm - what are yours? Surely you must have something (or someone) better to do? Maybe you should try reading "In his Majesty's Footsteps" by Police General Vasit Dejkunjorn, the most boring book I have ever read - or, to be strictly accurate, half read - only for the most desperate of insomniacs and the most bored of the bored.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
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Originally Posted by Gone Fishing
" ... Wes and Smiles, I am surprised to see the two of you here. My excuse is that we are in the middle of a thunderstorm - what are yours? ... "
Well, I'm slumming.
Not sure about Wes . . . but then, I'm never sure about Wes, his every turn of phrase and regular deviations from the previous posts, topic, and general direction leave me head-scratchin' every time. Kind of charming really.
Re: American Idol Homophobia
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Originally Posted by Gone Fishing
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Originally Posted by pissyboy
I mean this in the nicest way - DonтАЩt tell me what I meant you stupid fuck.
I didn't - merely what you
said.
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Sorry adding words and emphasis to my post is not reporting what I said. Quite the opposite.
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Originally Posted by pissyboy
If you were my student I would give you a failing grade.
If I were your student I would deserve one.
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Yes you would fail my class. It is a positive sign in personal development that you recognize your limitations. However, I do have a soft spot for my special needs students (the slow ones who do not quite get it). I would sit you down and in the nicest way possible explain that you do not have a facility for factual analysis but more for creative fiction. I would then encourage you to switch to the English department where putting your fantasy to paper would be more appropriate.