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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
See post #158.
Maybe I should have called my thread "April holiday". I deliberately didn't do that as I kind of knew that sex would be non-availabile in Burma and very difficult in Korea.
The main topic is Bangkok, as that's where the action is and from where I could actually report something.
I also used the word "April" as only 1 day referred to March.
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a447
See post #158.
Maybe I should have called my thread "April holiday". I deliberately didn't do that as I kind of knew that sex would be non-availabile in Burma and very difficult in Korea.
The main topic is Bangkok, as that's where the action is and from where I could actually report something.
I also used the word "April" as only 1 day referred to March.
a447, will you therefore rule Burma and South Korea out for visiting for sex?
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Unfortunately, yes.
I was hamstrung the last 3 days in Seoul as I was joined by a straight friend from Japan, so I didn't get a chance to visit any massage place.
But judging from the reviews online, maybe that was for the better.
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I went to Hotmale for the show tonight.
I arrived at 10pm and the 9:45 show was in progress. There was a stripper on stage when I walked in but then it was over! So much for the show!
The bar was virtually empty and they had about 10 guys on stage, including a gogo granddad with a pot belly! And I know that Soi Twilight is going through lean times but a couple of the boys looked quite emaciated.
A pesky waiter came over and tried to sit with me but I cut him off at the pass by moving to the edge of the sofa. When I told him I was just looking, he went through all the boys on stage, telling me where they were from. There was one guy from Myanmar with a gorgeous body - number 23 - and a couple from Cambodia.
"What you like? You like big cock?"
"Not particularly."
"Number 15 have long cock."
I feigned disinterest and he finally left me in peace to ogle.
Number 17 has the most beautiful smile; it would melt your heart. And number 6 was really cute and appeared later in the show sporting an impressive member. One guy, whose number I can't remember (the Myanmar boy?), as I had my eyes elsewhere , had an incredible bulge that his briefs were battling to contain. He kept smiling at me and every now and then would give me a little wave.
Desperate times! Lol
I've always thought that Hotmale has the best looking guys, and tonight was no exception. A couple of the coyote dancers were really hot and handsome, although their "dancing" was not up to Hotmale's normal high standard.
I've also always believed that they have the most hung guys of any of the bars in the soi, and I wasn't disappointed.
The show began and was quite interesting. The acts actually drew loud applause. (That's got to be a first.) But for me it lacks the sleaze factor.
As usual, the was plenty of cock on display right from the beginning, which I think is a particular feature of this bar. If joined together they would reach to the moon. And back, probably. And unlike other bars, it's not just a few of the guys in the show who are well-endowed - they all have a lot going for them, so to speak. Does Hotmale only employ hung guys, I wonder.
And not a lip-syncing ladyboy in sight.
Then number 15 appeared - the guy with the allegedly long cock. OMG! I'm guessing 9 inches. He's also very handsome and had a swimmer's physique. What's not to like? Mr Perfect!
As he was going through his routine, which included a bit of pole dancing, three young Japanese girls came in, sat down the front and nearly fainted. I've never seen a 9 incher in Japan, and I'm sure they haven't, either. They squealed with delight as he came up to them and waved it in their face. If truth be known, I was also squealing!
He re-appeared later in other acts and got down from the stage, along with number 17 with the killer smile and gave the Japanese girls a grope. They will definitely be back tomorrow night.
After the show I was determined to have Mr 9 incher sit with me but someone grabbed him before me.
Damn!
Drinks 400 baht for the first one, then 350 thereafter. Bar only one quarter full, if that.
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I can't believe what I'm about to write.
Last night Golden Cock had customers! Six, in all!
WTF??
Drinks were flowing freely - I bought 25 in total for the 4 of us - and everyone was having a blast. There was a bit of action happening on the sofas, but unlike Eros, it was not entirely out in the open. But there were plenty of hands up shorts and down pants. The boys don't mind flopping it out but the customers are a little more reticent, although the other night one guy was getting a hand-job while sitting at the bar.
An attractive youngish German guy, known to the boys, turned up and immediately picked up a microphone. Oh, no! Please don't sing! There's nothing worse than having a guy who thinks he can sing mournfully moaning into a mike.
But sing he did. And what a beautiful voice. He kept us all entertained with songs in German, English, Italian, French and Thai. When he sang "Chaimai Khun", apparently with perfect pronunciation, the guys went wild.
He even dragged me up for a duet of Edith Piaf's 'Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien."
The boys didn't go wild.
Two of the guys said they'd read about the bar on the internet (maybe here; who knows?) and were surprised it was open during the day. They said they'd be back this afternoon.
Unfortunately for them, many of the boys are still on holiday and usually there are only 2 others apart from my 3 guys in the afternoon. Others only turn up at night. You'd think the manager would be on the phone telling them to get their arses in the bar during the day, but that is not how it works, apparently.
We know that we all have different tastes, so to speak, when it comes to guys. One boy, who I'm not attracted to in the least, found favour with one of the customers and had a bit of a steamy session with him on the sofa.
There's also a very dark-skinned guy, ex Nature Boy, working there and again, he's not my type. I do, however, remember having him sit with me once and he flopped out his beautiful Issan appendage. Suddenly, he became instantly attractive!
I got talking with him last night standing at the bar, and he's a really lovely guy -very touchy-feely and he loves to give you a kiss and a cuddle. He looks a bit rough, but in this case looks are definitely deceiving.
Although I've already literally got my hands full with my regulars, I'm going to have him sit with me today and just see what "comes up."
I left at 2am but the party was still in full swing.
All in all, a really fun evening.
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Tonight was very quiet in the bar. Last night's party had taken its toll. Some boys arrived late, others were still sleeping it off.
There was only one customer tonight. Two boys serviced him, taking turns to give him a blow job,.He is from South America and had a magnificent appendage.
When he eventually came - the poor boys were exhausted at the end - he left with a huge grin in his face.
One of the boys actually have me a blow job a couple of weeks ago and I can vouch for his technique. It was unbelievable.
As I'm coming to the end of my trip I'm getting quite worn out. Basically, I've had enough for the time being. My daily afternoon session with my regular is sometimes a little too intense. It seems to go on forever - not that I'm really complaining. Being a top is exhausting enough, but bottoming for him gives me a real workout, as he keeps changing positions and expects me to be an acrobat.
But after we finish we kiss and cuddle then take a nap for an hour or so. We wake up, have another cuddle, chat a bit and then go off to dinner.
But one session with him and I'm done for the rest of the day.
When I go back at night the boys try to get me to cum again but to no avail. So we just drink and chat. I've learnt a lot of Thai, so that's a bonus.
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As I'm coming to the end of my trip I'm getting quite worn out. Basically, I've had enough for the time being. My daily afternoon session with my regular is sometimes a little too intense.
Ahhh ... everything in Moderation I always say.
And thank christ you did not write " ... As I'm 'cumming' to the end of my trip ... ".
For some reason Americans love using this hoary old play on words. They think it's cute, even funny.
It was fun to read your sagas in shits-ville though. Keep 'em cumming.
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everything in Moderation I always say.
Nothing in moderation is what I always say! I like to squeeze every ounce out of life every single day.
But the body had its limits. On an intense sex trip, having it squeezed of of me every day is very tiring.
So I'll go back home, recharge the batteries and enjoy being able to be a top.
But I'll be cumming back again in July.
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Blacktouch
This is the comment from a friend who was in Yangon last year.
"I was there last year. No sex bars like Bangkok. They do have saunas where you can get sex. It's cheaper than Bangkok but they are mostly bottoms. No big cocks."
There is no gay sauna that I know of in Yangon. No gogo bars, that I can confirm.
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Also The Sands Spa – Yangon – CLOSED
59 Bo Min Yaung Rd, Mingala Taungnyunt Township, Yangon, Myanmar
Oh no! I had a great massage there and was planning to come. All I have is the number and name of masseur, of no use if the place is closed!
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a447
I was hoping I could find something in Yangon - anything would do - to write about in a new thread in which I would detail my cultural exchange experiences with the locals.
What a pity. I liked Yangoon, warts and all, and was curious what gay adventures you would have there.
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Smiles
Ahhh ... everything in Moderation I always say.
And thank christ you did not write " ... As I'm 'cumming' to the end of my trip ... ".
For some reason Americans love using this hoary old play on words. They think it's cute, even funny.
It was fun to read your sagas in shits-ville though. Keep 'em cumming.
Why do some people think that throwing in inaccurate and innane comments referring to a stereotypical American makes them appear sophisticated? The fact is he did not say it, write it or intimate it - so your point - other than a baseless superiority over Americans - is what? I hasten to add that I know you will come up with another blast which I intend to ignore.
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When I travel in other Asian countries it is not uncommon to get "knowing looks" from locals in the street or in shopping centres.
But in Yangon, I didn't get any approaches at all.
Well, apart from the guy I met on my way to the lake. But it wasn't a "knowing look" - it was an act of kindness which I foolishly misinterpreted as an invite to have sex.
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I'm now on my way to the airport after a bit of drama regarding the taxi.
There is a dickhead working at the hotel. Every morning when I was sitting outside furiously typing on my iPad, he would constantly come over to practise his English, even though he could see I was busy. It drove me mad!
Today I asked him to call me taxi and told him they must use the meter. I waited and waited but there was no sign of a taxi, so I walked down the driveway onto the street to see what he was doing. Taxis were passing by but he had his back turned to the road!
Finally he snared one. I got in and was told it was 500 baht. When I asked him to turn on the meter, he reversed up the street and dumped me back at the hotel!
"I told you, I want a meter taxi."
"Oh,sorry. I forget!"
He got me another one but as soon as I hopped in, it was 500 baht. I was now running 20 minutes late so I just gave in.
Before heading off to the airport I decided to try one of those foot massages. I'd had my eye on a couple of cuties at the massage places outside the hotel. But today there weren't any guys outside, just a couple of girls. So I wandered up to Art Massage where I found a very nice -looking guy. I grabbed him straight away.
It was my first real massages by a professional and it was wonderful! I tried to engage him in conversation in Thai - what's your name, where are you from, can I chuc...." Oops! But he had heard it all before and wasn't interested I think he may have wanted to just concentrate on the job. He did, however,m tell me he was from Issan. Instant boner!
He didn't go above the knees - no surprise there - but it was incredibly sensual. I'll definitely be having more of these massages next time I'm in town. Some of the guys at the other places give me a bit of a wink as they approach me, so there's the possibility I could have an even more sensual massage upstairs.
Last night after dinner I went to Moonlight again for the 10:30 show. I paid my 400 baht and walked in, only to see 5 boys on stage and 7 customers. Obviously, there would be no chuck-wow finale in the show tonight. Oh, well....
Here's a brief description of what you can expect in the show:
1. two uncoordinated boys "dancing"
2. 4 guys parading on stage displaying their beautifully toned bodies
3. 3 guys dancing with a glimpse of one hard cock
4. a stripper who bared nothing
5. quite a good blow job act
6. 5 guys in towels, removing them to show their large members
7. another stripper, this time with cock. Very impressive.
8. 9 gogo boys "dancing." Terrible, but at least they were having fun
9. same 4 body beautiful guys parading on stage
10. boring shower show
And here's dinner last night!
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a447
When I travel in other Asian countries it is not uncommon to get "knowing looks" from locals in the street or in shopping centres.
You mean they recognised you as the geronto porn star from Down Under?
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a447
When I travel in other Asian countries it is not uncommon to get "knowing looks" from locals in the street or in shopping centres.
But in Yangon, I didn't get any approaches at all.
If it's a consolation for you: I don't get "knowing looks" anywhere.
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a447
I'm now on my way to the airport after a bit of drama regarding the taxi.
There is a dickhead working at the hotel. Every morning when I was sitting outside furiously typing on my iPad, he would constantly come over to practise his English, even though he could see I was busy. It drove me mad!
Today I asked him to call me taxi and told him they must use the meter. I waited and waited but there was no sign of a taxi, so I walked down the driveway onto the street to see what he was doing. Taxis were passing by but he had his back turned to the road!
Finally he snared one. I got in and was told it was 500 baht. When I asked him to turn on the meter, he reversed up the street and dumped me back at the hotel!
"I told you, I want a meter taxi."
"Oh,sorry. I forget!"
He got me another one but as soon as I hopped in, it was 500 baht. I was now running 20 minutes late so I just gave in.
After studying Thai language, I can do almost everything better than the vast majority of the population, so I try to avoid all unneccessary involvement of locals. Your report confirms my practice.
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christianpfc
After studying Thai language, I can do almost everything better than the vast majority of the population, so I try to avoid all unneccessary involvement of locals. Your report confirms my practice.
Riiiiight, I guess that's why you've lived there for years and years in your little shoebox so that you can feel good about yourself instead of trying to cut it among your contemporaries in Europe.
What is that saying - a one-eyed man in the land of the blind is queen?
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christianpfc
After studying Thai language, I can do almost everything better than the vast majority of the population, so I try to avoid all unneccessary involvement of locals. Your report confirms my practice.
I go along with that 100%, and I don't speak a lot of Thai...!
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Re taxis and the meter, a new experience twice this trip is for the taxi driver to nod assent to the destination, then to say '100 baht' after I got in. I refused. Once he stopped and I got out; once he turned on the meter.
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Given the huge traffic jam on the freeway - it took close to 2 hours to get to Suwanaphumi - I now think that 500 baht is acceptable.
The attitude of the drivers is not.
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Originally Posted by
a447
I'm now on my way to the airport after a bit of drama regarding the taxi.
There is a dickhead working at the hotel. Every morning when I was sitting outside furiously typing on my iPad, he would constantly come over to practise his English, even though he could see I was busy. It drove me mad!
Today I asked him to call me taxi and told him they must use the meter. I waited and waited but there was no sign of a taxi, so I walked down the driveway onto the street to see what he was doing. Taxis were passing by but he had his back turned to the road!
Finally he snared one. I got in and was told it was 500 baht. When I asked him to turn on the meter, he reversed up the street and dumped me back at the hotel!
"I told you, I want a meter taxi."
"Oh,sorry. I forget!"
He got me another one but as soon as I hopped in, it was 500 baht. I was now running 20 minutes late so I just gave in.
The "dickhead" is not the bellboy but whoever was dumb enough to pay the set fare; these boys often have an arrangement with the taxi drivers who tend to frequent the same hotels each day - 400Bt to the driver and 100Bt to the boy, to be collected later. All it takes is a quick copy-and-paste Line or SMS message from the bellboy to summon one of the drivers they already have an arrangement with and who's usually parked somewhere nearby. That's why "taxis were passing by but he had his back turned to the road!" - he wasn't interested in the ones driving by. I'm sorry to say that the joke, yet again, is on you.
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sglad
The "dickhead" is not the bellboy but whoever was dumb enough to pay the set fare; these boys often have an arrangement with the taxi drivers who tend to frequent the same hotels each day - 400Bt to the driver and 100Bt to the boy, to be collected later. All it takes is a quick copy-and-paste Line or SMS message from the bellboy to summon one of the drivers they already have an arrangement with and who's usually parked somewhere nearby. That's why "taxis were passing by but he had his back turned to the road!" - he wasn't interested in the ones driving by. I'm sorry to say that the joke, yet again, is on you.
It's all about making money. The bellboy, taxi and in some cases the reception desk. They are all at it.
Whenever I stay at Mosaik in Pattaya, I always pre book the taxi via them. It cost a little more, but they get a cut from the fare. A taxi driver once told me.
Nothing is free in Thailand.
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a447
Given the huge traffic jam on the freeway - it took close to 2 hours to get to Suwanaphumi - I now think that 500 baht is acceptable.
The attitude of the drivers is not.
Traffic jam is priced in at 2 THB per minute that the car is going slower than 6 km/h.
A447, you really should know better than involving a bellboy to call you a taxi! The more people are involved, the longer it takes, the more expensive it will be, and fewer are the chances that you get what you want.
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Blacktouch
It's all about making money. The bellboy, taxi and in some cases the reception desk. They are all at it...
Nothing is free in Thailand.
To be fair, nothing is free anywhere; everything comes at a price or with an opportunity cost. People want good service; they want to be treated like maharajahs but they don't want to pay maharajah prices. Well, it doesn't really work that way, does it? Something's gotta give. Service staff in Thailand, at least the ones at mid range type of places, don't make much money. In fact, they barely make ends meet. So they have to resort to corruption. In Singapore, we have low levels of corruption because we are paid fairly and in many instances (particularly our public servants) - highly. Hence our law enforcement officials, by far and large, serve with integrity, which in turn further reduces the level of corruption.
That said, I think the majority of Thai service staff are quite honest and very helpful considering the pittance that they're paid. The people who have been subjected to the kind of mini cons described above have more often than not deserved them through their sheer ignorance, gullibility or as payback for their generally unpleasant personalities. When you use words like dickhead to describe some humble service staff who haven't had the kind of life opportunities that you've had or paint an entire population of people as dumb or mock those who choose to build romantic relationships with Thai people by calling them stupid, you are generally projecting a deep-seated unhappiness within yourself. And when you don't love yourself, you can't have love for others. You get a false sense of superiority by putting down others who haven't had the same advantages that you've had and the only thing you can cope with emotionally is paid for one-night stands. And thus, for all her faults, you go back to Thailand year after year after year after year...sometimes two or three times a year.
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sglad
Service staff in Thailand, at least the ones at mid range type of places, don't make much money. In fact, they barely make ends meet.
Oh no, not again! How comes that people in Kalasin make ends meet on their wage, in Minburi make ends meet on their wage, but as soon as they come to central Bangkok or Pattaya where tourists are around, the Great Whine starts?
My theory is that it's not that the money barely lasts to the end of the month, it's that rather that they have it down to a fine art spending all money that comes in.
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christianpfc
Oh no, not again! How comes that people in Kalasin make ends meet on their wage, in Minburi make ends meet on their wage, but as soon as they come to central Bangkok or Pattaya where tourists are around, the Great Whine starts?
Then stop whining.
Firstly, let's say we believe your random statement that people in Kalasin and Minburi are able to make ends meet - and I don't - but we'll go with it for now for the sake of argument. Secondly, most people don't just want to "make ends meet" but want to save and have a bit of fun every now and then. Thirdly, the cost of living in touristy areas is much higher than in rural and suburban areas. Most people working in these areas are renting and not living with family as they do in rural Kalasin or suburban Minburi. While they may have the occasional support of friends, they're pretty much on their own. Everything in the big city is consumer-driven and has to be paid for; they don't have the benefit of having pigs, chickens, rice and fruit from the farm. But we all know that is not enough and people don't just want to make ends meet. Some are truly poor and others just want to better their living conditions and those of their families. Hence millions flock to the big cities every year. and thousands end up in the red light districts servicing pigs who whine about the 20Bt tip they "have" to give the housekeeper.
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sglad
I'm sorry to say that the joke, yet again, is on you.
Your post is based on pure speculation.
And it's wrong. You have totally misunderstood the situation; hardly surprising as :
A) you weren't there, and
B) you don't know the guy involved
1. The young guy is not a bellboy. He's a security guard and wears a guard's uniform. It isn't his job to get taxis for clients. He only offered because "you my friend. Teach me English."
Even if, as a security guard, this particular individual had somehow made some arrangements with taxi drivers, you would have no possible way of not knowing that. Nor would I.
2. I didn't ask reception to call a taxi to the hotel itself. The taxis concerned don't frequent the hotel - you got that wrong, too. They are out on Suriwong road in the middle of a traffic jam . Not much use being "parked somewhere" if you have to join a traffic jam!
Your scenario would not work in a busy area of Bangkok. Outside, in a smaller city, it may well do.
And when hotels or other establishments offer to call you a taxi, who knows? Maybe they are getting a kickback, reflected in a higher charge. Afterall, this is hardly an uncommon practice.
But if the customer refuses to pay the charge, any kickback suddenly disappears. As I insisted on a meter taxi and refused to get into one that would not use a meter, what's in it for the security guard? Or a bellboy? Your logic is all wrong.
Your scenario would only work if the client just asked for any taxi and did not specify the use of a meter. Otherwise, It makes no sense at all.
3. If he wasn't interested in the ones driving by, why did he try to flag them down? He didn't have his back turned to the road the entire time - when I saw him he was looking into the window of a massage shop, adjusting his uniform.
So the joke is actually on you for, once again, going on the attack without knowing all the facts, or thinking the situation through.
You have jumped to conclusions yet again.
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christianpfc
A447, you really should know better than involving a bellboy to call you a taxi! The more people are involved, the longer it takes, the more expensive it will be, and fewer are the chances that you get what you want.
How is it possible for the fare to be more expensive if I insist on using the meter?
If, on the other hand, I just ask someone to call me a taxi, they'll obviously give me an inflated price. Normally, it's a flat rate.
There has to be something in it for them
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sglad
To be fair, nothing is free anywhere; everything comes at a price or with an opportunity cost. People want good service; they want to be treated like maharajahs but they don't want to pay maharajah prices. Well, it doesn't really work that way, does it? Something's gotta give. Service staff in Thailand, at least the ones at mid range type of places, don't make much money. In fact, they barely make ends meet. So they have to resort to corruption. In Singapore, we have low levels of corruption because we are paid fairly and in many instances (particularly our public servants) - highly. Hence our law enforcement officials, by far and large, serve with integrity, which in turn further reduces the level of corruption.
That said, I think the majority of Thai service staff are quite honest and very helpful considering the pittance that they're paid. The people who have been subjected to the kind of mini cons described above have more often than not deserved them through their sheer ignorance, gullibility or as payback for their generally unpleasant personalities. When you use words like dickhead to describe some humble service staff who haven't had the kind of life opportunities that you've had or paint an entire population of people as dumb or mock those who choose to build romantic relationships with Thai people by calling them stupid, you are generally projecting a deep-seated unhappiness within yourself. And when you don't love yourself, you can't have love for others. You get a false sense of superiority by putting down others who haven't had the same advantages that you've had and the only thing you can cope with emotionally is paid for one-night stands. And thus, for all her faults, you go back to Thailand year after year after year after year...sometimes two or three times a year.
Weren't you just today accusing me of making "blanket statements?". Lol
And so much insight from one who purports to be of the tender age of 24! You display knowledge way beyond your tender years!
Incredible, really.
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a447
And so much insight from one who purports to be of the tender age of 24! You display knowledge way beyond your tender years!
Incredible, really.
Thank you. Nah, nothing incredible. It's been a lot of hard work and loads of curiosity, love and respect for the people and country that I'm studying. Yes, I study a lot of Thai history, society and urban geography. But my real 'classroom' has been the experiences shared with me by many Thai friends and contemporaries for which I am continually grateful.
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sglad
Then stop whining.
Firstly, let's say we believe your random statement that people in Kalasin and Minburi are able to make ends meet - and I don't - but we'll go with it for now for the sake of argument. Secondly, most people don't just want to "make ends meet" but want to save and have a bit of fun every now and then. Thirdly, the cost of living in touristy areas is much higher than in rural and suburban areas. Most people working in these areas are renting and not living with family as they do in rural Kalasin or suburban Minburi. While they may have the occasional support of friends, they're pretty much on their own. Everything in the big city is consumer-driven and has to be paid for; they don't have the benefit of having pigs, chickens, rice and fruit from the farm. But we all know that is not enough and people don't just want to make ends meet. Some are truly poor and others just want to better their living conditions and those of their families. Hence millions flock to the big cities every year. and thousands end up in the red light districts servicing pigs who whine about the 20Bt tip they "have" to give the housekeeper.
Christian I have followed your blog for years and respect your opinion. My confusion, over years, has been limited to only your discussions of skin temperature - never got that and attributed it to my lack of understanding, But, really - this is damn silly. You can not, in any society - compare cost of living in remote areas with the big city. It simply costs far more to live in New York City than Billings Montana. Forward thinking corporations scale pay in Geo. areas to allow for that - how can you not understand that?
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sglad
To be fair, nothing is free anywhere; everything comes at a price or with an opportunity cost. People want good service; they want to be treated like maharajahs but they don't want to pay maharajah prices. Well, it doesn't really work that way, does it? Something's gotta give. Service staff in Thailand, at least the ones at mid range type of places, don't make much money. In fact, they barely make ends meet. So they have to resort to corruption. In Singapore, we have low levels of corruption because we are paid fairly and in many instances (particularly our public servants) - highly. Hence our law enforcement officials, by far and large, serve with integrity, which in turn further reduces the level of corruption.
That said, I think the majority of Thai service staff are quite honest and very helpful considering the pittance that they're paid. The people who have been subjected to the kind of mini cons described above have more often than not deserved them through their sheer ignorance, gullibility or as payback for their generally unpleasant personalities. When you use words like dickhead to describe some humble service staff who haven't had the kind of life opportunities that you've had or paint an entire population of people as dumb or mock those who choose to build romantic relationships with Thai people by calling them stupid, you are generally projecting a deep-seated unhappiness within yourself. And when you don't love yourself, you can't have love for others. You get a false sense of superiority by putting down others who haven't had the same advantages that you've had and the only thing you can cope with emotionally is paid for one-night stands. And thus, for all her faults, you go back to Thailand year after year after year after year...sometimes two or three times a year.
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Service staff in Thailand, at least the ones at mid range type of places, don't make much money. In fact, they barely make ends meet. So they have to resort to corruption.
So, you're now accusing all service staff in "mid-range type of places" (whatever they are) in Thailand of being corrupt.
Nice one!
That's as bad as someone you mentioned in paragraph 2 who "paint(s) an entire population of people as dumb."
I don't know who did that. It couldn't have been me, as I intentionally inserted the word "somehow" so as not to do that. The fact that you didn't pick up on that is your fault, not mine. You need to read posts slowly and with more care.
Oh, and it's best not to leave yourself so wide open to accusations of gross hypocrisy. You make it too easy!
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When you use words like dickhead to describe some humble service staff
In case you haven't noticed, humble service staff can also be incompetent and lazy.
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mock those who choose to build romantic relationships with Thai people by calling them stupid
Again, I don't know who did that. If you think it was me, then you should get your facts right before you comment. I didn't even mention "romantic relationships."
My posts are open to criticism and I have no problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with is people like you who bear a grudge and immediately pounce whenever they can in order to score points, before reading my comments carefully and making sure they've got their facts right.
And give us a break from that "when you don't love yourself, you can't have love for others" and the rest that followed. It sounds like something you've heard in a third-rate family TV drama.
And while I'm at it, can you also please give this "I'm a 24 year old student from Singapore " bullshit a break?
As was shown conclusively last year on a number of occasions, you are not young and not from Singapore.
Your other handle from last year - sugargrandpa - described who you really are. You're an old Aussie like me, in Asia for the same reason - to pay to get laid. So get over it!
Sugargrandpa was a very foolish choice for a board name, don't you think?
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
I have nothing whatsoever to contribute to this ongoing argument, or whatever it is. But I have to say that the following two quotes bother me. The difference in the way you and the guard perceived your fleeting "relationship" just makes me sad. I'm not suggesting either of you was "wrong," but it's just too bad you weren't able to be a little more receptive to what he saw as friendliness. But then again, he apparently had no idea he was annoying you, so "No harm done."
"There is a dickhead working at the hotel. Every morning when I was sitting outside furiously typing on my iPad, he would constantly come over to practise his English, even though he could see I was busy. It drove me mad!
" The young guy is not a bellboy. He's a security guard and wears a guard's uniform. It isn't his job to get taxis for clients. He only offered because "you my friend. Teach me English."
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
I've been a student of languages all my life. I speak more than one.
I usually am quite happy to allow others to practise with me - I even mentioned in this report how I'd been teaching the guys in the bar. The only way to improve is to talk to native speakers. It's how I learnt.
But there are times when we are busy and have to get on with other things. I can't just switch on "English teacher mode" at someone's convenience, as much as I'd like to.
But I was never rude to him. Never. I always smiled when I was showing him I had work to do. It's just that he wouldn't give up and kept asking me questions.
At other times during the day, I was more than happy to speak with him.
The way the Thais use the English word "friend" is not the same as the way we use it. It's a much looser term in Thailand. You can be called a "friend" after just sitting with a guy for a few minutes in a bar.
I doubt very much that he would ever use the Thai word "puan" (friend) when referring to me in a conversation with another Thai.
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
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a447
I've been a student of languages all my life. I speak more than one.
I usually am quite happy to allow others to practise with me - I even mentioned in this report how I'd been teaching the guys in the bar. The only way to improve is to talk to native speakers. It's how I learnt.
But there are times when we are busy and have to get on with other things. I can't just switch on "English teacher mode" at someone's convenience, as much as I'd like to.
But I was never rude to him. Never. I always smiled when I was showing him I had work to do. It's just that he wouldn't give up and kept asking me questions.
At other times during the day, I was more than happy to speak with him.
The way the Thais use the English word "friend" is not the same as the way we use it. It's a much looser term in Thailand. You can be called a "friend" after just sitting with a guy for a few minutes in a bar.
I doubt very much that he would ever use the Thai word "puan" (friend) when referring to me in a conversation with another Thai.
Fair enough. As I said, I'm not saying you were wrong. I still think it's sad. Ironic maybe. But no big deal.
P.S. I meant to ask before: What's the thing you were served that looked like a snowball?
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
It's called "daifuku" in Japanese.
The outer skin is made of "mochi" which is made by beating steamed rice to make a skin that can be used to wrap various ingredients.
This was filled with whipped cream and pieces of fruit atop a small piece of sponge cake.
Absolutely delicious!
I wrote this on another board about the place :
They were lucky to get my business. I didn't see anyone working there so I waited, thinking they may have gone to the toilet. I waited and waited, but nobody appeared.
I leant over the counter and saw a young girl kneeling on the floor playing with her phone!
Don't these places have managers to check on this sort of thing?
It certainly wouldn't happen in Japan, that's for sure!
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
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a447
And while I'm at it, can you also please give this "I'm a 24 year old student from Singapore " bullshit a break?
As was shown conclusively last year on a number of occasions, you are not young and not from Singapore.
I remember you asserting this, but I don't remember this being "shown conclusively".
Please show us where this was demonstrated "on a number of occasions".
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
Interesting, but not at all surprising, that you only remember me and nobody else making such assertions.
My comments, and those of others (for example fountainhall, who was the first to out him, and who you conveniently forgot to mention ) on this topic have been posted here many times in the past. The comments have not been deleted, so go look for them.
You seem to have conveniently forgotten that the robot also caught him out - he was not who he said he was. He was shown to be devious and dishonest and was banned.
You also conveniently ignore his proficiency in written English. Or do you believe a 24 year old non-native speaker could reach such fluency with such a short period of education and be capable of constructing such complicated sentences without a single mistake to be found? Even Christian, whose English is excellent, sometimes slips up. But not sglad!
You need to get out more and go and visit Singapore. You'll soon see that although their English is perfectly understandable, it is far from grammatically correct. Sglad is quite obviously a native-speaker. And an old one at that, if you look at his writing style.
And you also conveniently forgot the time sglad himself inadvertently told us he was an Australian. I refer to the post he made about prostitution being made legal. I pointed it out at the time. You know how to use the search function so go and look for it.
Why do you think a 24 year old guy woukd be hanging out in a forum populated by crusty old farang twice or three times his own age? Wouldn't a young Singaporean more likely hang out on the blowingwind forum instead, where there are many guys his own age and with similar interests? It's made for young Singaporeans, yet sglad had never heard of it! There's proof in itself that he is not a young guy from Singapore!
Finally, last year when you, surfcrest and I were involved in a dispute, I received a PM from an unknown member of the forum. It went into great detail about the history of the board and who certain members were and their various handles over the years. Most of the information I was already aware of. He went right back to the early 2000's.
I had no idea who it was at the time.
I'll leave it to you to come to the obvious conclusion.
As long as sglad keeps having a go at me,rather than my posted comments, I'll reply and remind people who he is. Or rather, who he isn't.
You can count on that!
Sglad wrote this yesterday :
"And when you don't love yourself, you can't have love for others."
How interesting that he doesn't love himself and finds it necessary to create a false persona.
I've made my point here and have no further interest in continuing this discussion. Unless, of course, I hear from sglad again.
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
I didn't mention a447's name even once in post #182, the one which apparently hit a nerve and which seemed to have inspired his latest attack on me. Like his lord and master fountainhole, a447 is (still) obsessing over my relative youth, which he brought up in post #184, not me. His attacks are not new and are mostly repetitions of the lies that fountainhole propagated about me after I turned down his advances. Questions involving my knowledge of the Blowing Wind forum, my command of the English language and my understanding of Chinese culture have already been addressed on the gaythailand forum (see link below) and have not been rebutted by a447 or fountainhole (aka Peter RS, among his many names on gay Thailand forums). To use his favourite adverb, a447 has conveniently forgotten about this. He has proven nothing. Instead he has disingenuously chosen to repeat the same old lies. And yes, some people might consider me a native speaker of English as English is the primary language in my home, what I speak with friends and has been the medium of instruction of my education. Personally I find the native-speaker label meaningless for it implies that all native speakers are created equal which is not the case at all. For example, Brad's English is far superior to a447's. Anyway, I'm not going to repeat myself. You can read about it here:
http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/to...atdii-pii-mai/
PS You can ask abang1961 whether there are Singaporeans who write like me and he might tell you that I'm not exceptional.
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
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a447
You're an old Aussie like me, in Asia for the same reason - to pay to get laid. So get over it!
Ah k, I think I understand your problem now. You want or assume everybody to be like you and if they are not, you attack.
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
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sglad
I didn't mention a447's name even once in post #182,..
You didn't need to. You mentioned specific words that only I used on my comments; viz. dickhead and stupid.
So if you weren't referring to me, who were you talking about?
As usual, you have been very selective in what you have addressed, carefully avoiding the more awkward inconsistencies.
You can deal with those inconsistencies if and as you wish. I've merely highlighted some of them.
Brad wants conclusive proof, so let's give it to him.
Sglad, you were banned from this site when the robot noticed a new member - you - had also logged on with the name Sugargrandpa. The post was made using your IP address. Obviously, you were using 2 handles, when only 1 is permitted.
You made the following post on November 12th, 2016, 20:03, using your handle, Sugargrandpa :
Thai lessons in Pattaya
I'm looking for recommendations for a good school to learn Thai in Pattaya, preferably some place where you have personal experience with. I already speak enough Thai to get by but would like to improve myself and perhaps take up reading and writing. Recommendations for a personal tutor who has experience teaching over 60s would also be appreciated. I have no specific objectives other than an interest in the language and wanting to communicate better in it.
https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showt...t=sugargrandpa
That says it all.
Let's see you try and talk your way out of that!
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Re: Bangkok report April 2018
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a447
Oh, dear! What have I done?
Have my reports on Golden Cock led to the increase in customers?
For years customers were few and far between - I was almost always the only one in the bar and had the guys to myself. No real need to lock the doors; I could be guaranteed of fun, fun, fun without the threat of interruption.
Last night there was one customer sitting in the bar when I entered around 10:30. He had opened a second bottle of whisky and was surrounded by boys. I've only ever sat on the same sofa over all these years and it's quite comfortable -it had my name on it, and probably some of my DNA, too! - but now I was relegated to one closer to the bar. And it's as hard as a rock.
One of my guys who I had chuck-wowed earlier in the day, left the customer and came over and sat with me. After a few drinks he wanted a repeat performance. I told him I was uncomfortable doing anything when there is someone else in the bar, but in the end I sat with my back to him and did the deed.
Unlike Eros, Golden Cock is quite a cosy bar and you are sitting in close proximity to others.
Earlier in the day it took at least 20 minutes for him to cum and last night was no different. I fact, my arm was about to fall off so I let him take matters into his own hands.
Then in walks another customer. And another. And with the whisky flowing freely and my guy settling in for yet another drinking session, the bar was in full party mode. The first customer then started the karaoke. Oh, dear! It was dreadful.
One o'clock came around very quickly. Time to close. But right at the last minute another customer came in and sat at the bar. I figured he'd be allowed one drink and then that would be it.
I got up to pay my bill and suddenly found myself in conversation with him. He was Russian and on his first trip to Asia. He had no idea where to go, how the off system works, etc, so I decided to order another drink and sit with him and give him a few tips.
They closed the doors and all the boys gathered around the bar. We were soon joined by two more customers, one a guy who works at the Tarntawan.
The Russian guy was really horny and decided he'd off my guy. How dare he! He's my guy!
In the end, he decided not to as he figured the boy was too drunk and probably couldn't get it up. But he'll be back to the bar tonight to off him.
By now it was 2:30. The manager was offering me free drinks, but I'd had enough. I left with the Russian.
On the way out he asked me where he could find a guy for the night. My only suggestion was to try the apps or wander up to Soi Twilight - he might find a free-lancer sitting on the stairs outside the bank. And then off to bed.
Have I shot myself in the foot?
Most definitely yes, thanks to you I alsoade the trip to Golden Cock. Well, I didn't have your kind of fun but very close. Who knows? Maybe tomorrow! Lol. Thanks again, you are indeed a gentleman