If I remember correctly Surfcrest wrote that he deleted Kommie by mistake and invited him to rejoin. I think this was when the board moved. I cannot either confirm or disprove any member loyalty or dis-loyalty.
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If I remember correctly Surfcrest wrote that he deleted Kommie by mistake and invited him to rejoin. I think this was when the board moved. I cannot either confirm or disprove any member loyalty or dis-loyalty.
Apart from chickening out of giving a response to my post #146 - after all, what response could there be other than to agree with what are facts - you totally misread the point of my post. As undaunted on GB's site, MFAS actually posts positively on a lot of topics, many of which he starts himself, So why would his goal over there be to "poke" members? He saves most of the "poking" for this forum - and thereby contributes to its inability to attract new posters, to encourage posters who have interesting comments, trip reports, news on gay issues, travel threads - and so on. He is utterly childish, totally self-centred and purely destructive - and anyone who fails to see that simply cannot read!
The other owners have not posted blatant lies about me on their board.
On gaybuttonthai.com it would not have gotten to this stage as harassment of members is strictly forbidden.
As for gaythailand.com, I have no idea who the owner is. But again, they are a nicer, ftiendlier bunch of guys over there so the situation would not have arisen in the first place.
So it's a mute point you make.
The reference to Neal was not made to back up any disagreement with Surfcrest. It was to back up my opinion of him as dishonest. There's a difference.
But you are correct, as is Scottish guy. I'm sorry I wrote that and withdraw it unreservedly. It was written in extreme anger.
F.H. I have never confronted you in a totally serious manner as I do not think of you at all however, being that you can't let up let me unwrap this puppy and tell you to get a life other than the one you have on this board.
a447 lost all credibility with me when he began publicly berating me every time I made a typo, because he's still totally perplexed as how a blind guy can read, write, and use the internet.
He's seems to do this quite often. Go around the forum publicly berating people, and picking fights with members for no real reason. Then complains to Surfcrest that this or that needs to happen, or he's going to stomp his feet. I'm not sure, what does he expect to do? Mold the rules and membership to his personal likes and dislikes?
It's a forum, you're not supposed to like everything or everyone, as that would make it a pretty boring forum. When you see something you don't like, just ignore, and continuing enjoying the threads you do like. For example, I know many of you absolutely love a447's trip reports, where as I personally find them distasteful. However, you don't see me in this threads complaining, or berating him over it. I simply don't participate in those threads and continue postingon SGT as a happy camper.
How ironic this thread is titled, "Where is everyone?".
I'm going to lighten the mood by changing the topic completely and posting about a subject that should be in another forum. The very very liberal 'rules' that we all enjoy on this board (compare it to the public beheading on another one recently) fully allow me to do this.
The first time I visited Siem Reap I stayed at The Angkor Paradise Hotel. 4 stars and very nice too. This time and probably for one trip only I'm in a place where the guests sit around the pool and smoke weed, funky music is played until midnight and you can get a really nice meal with a cold Angkor beer for $2.00. Anyone interested should pm me. All pms replied to but only after I've left because I don't want anyone coming up to me and asking if I'm Arsenal.
What a real loser! That is just so predictable!
More, that is the excuse that all losers always trot out when confronted with reality. Any sensible poster on this site will know from the many, many posts I have made regarding my life, career and all the places I have visited and continue to visit all around the world, many of them the subject of reports here (and since you also post of gaybuttonthai over there as well - as you will know), will have been vastly more interesting, fulfilling and enjoyable than your miserable existence with your pathetic childish put-downs in the depths of Pattaya's sin city.
Care to take up a challenge? Tell the other posters all the exciting and fascinating things you have done and all the exciting places you continue to visit and I will do the same. We'll then let them make the judgement on what a "life" really is. I'll even put money on it! But you won't move a finger to take me on. Incidentally, I'm off on my next 10 days international trip on Saturday, I don't spend my life in bars.
For me to take up a challange firstly I would have to care about where you have been or what you've done.
See, as I stated, you will not even rise to the challenge - for the obvious reason you know the result. I'd win before you got off the starting line. Fine. Other posters will make up their own minds about the life you suggest I should start leading and the one you lead.
Oh - I forgot! If you prefer, why not give us links to posts of all the trip reports you have made to all the places you have visited in North America, South America, Europe, the Middle East, Japan, China, Australia . . . I'm game! I could go on but it would just be more embarrassing for you. :yahoo_mini:
Oh and I was not writing about what you think. It was specifically to give other posters the ability to make up their own minds.
Looking over at gaybuttonthai, it is obvious that MFAS is sedentary. Spends all his time bar one short trip per annum in Pattaya (several bars no doubt). No wonder he will not go near my challenge!
From gaybuttonthai Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:24 pm
From gaybuttonthai Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:18 pmQuote:
Originally Posted by Undaunted
To paraphrase your words MFAS, "get a life other than the one you have" in sin city Pattaya. You might even learn something about the world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Undaunted
You know a447....as I told you before, you're looking for attention from the wrong guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by a447
Surfcrest
Surfcrest: "Beachlover has not returned, Homintern is dead and Kommie is back under a new...or not so new name. "
Sorry, I missed the point. Kommentariat is now Frequent? I hope a447 will cool down again, I love his trip reports.
As "quiet" departures go, this has certainly been pretty raucous. Why not just stop posting if that's what you want to do.
Welcome to our forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHNciS9I1Wo
Allow me to answer Brad and Surfcrest and hopefully that's it.
Well, it was quiet, buried deep in this thread, until Surfcrest posted his reply, accusing me of saying things I didn't. That's when it became "raucous". He chose to shout at me and make false allegations as I proceeded towards the door, rather than just let me leave and not have to defend myself.
Surely I can’t be held responsible for his decision to make those comments.
But he didn't even need to reply. I simply said there was a disagreement which I purposely didn't go into, and left it at that. There was nothing in my post to reply to. No criticism of him. No accusations. Nothing.
If Surfcrest wanted to reply, all he had to say, if anything, was "bye!" Instead, he chose to go on the attack, posting fake news and alternative facts in an attempt to blacken my name.
How is that in any way a reply to my post? What is the good of attacking the messenger, rather than the message?
I thought PMs were exactly that; private. It began with Surfcrest drip feeding information to members from a PM, which is a despicable act. (It’s even worse when the information is not true.) This led to my posting of my PM to him. It's mine so I can decide whether or not to release it.
But now Surfcrest has committed a cardinal sin on internet forums - he has released my other PM without my permission!
This betrayal of privacy has not been seen on the board since Neal was in control. A dangerous precedent has now been set.
This man has no scruples.
Surfcrest, you reveal the contents of PMs at your own peril.
Now Brad, at the moment I’m just replying to the posts which refer directly to me. Like this one. Are you denying me the right of reply, a right you are quick to exercise yourself? And quite robustly, at times?
Surfcrest, if I wanted attention, either from you or anyone else, wouldn’t I have begun by posting the details of the disagreement on the open forum? And in a separate thread?
Also, I imagine I'd be bombarding you with PM'S. In reality, PM's between us since you took over the board have been few and far between.
All I ever asked of you is that an existing rule, which had been broken, be applied and that you stick to what was previously agreed. Nothing more. How is that “seeking attention”? I was seeking action from you, not attention. There’s a difference.
And in any case, why would I seek attention from someone who hardly ever posts on the forum?
Finally, you suggested that I was after some kind of privilege, or wanted to be treated differently. I’m not sure what you were saying, as you omitted a verb.
But it is not me who is being given privileged treatment. It’s Kommie/frequent, who you have decided is exempt from the rules.
Surfcrest, have you ever stated that you were aware that Kommie was also posting as Brisbaneguy and Sooty at the same time? Think carefully. Have you?
If so, then you are giving him special treatment. In a recent thread you stated that posting with more than one handle meant that you were banned. You told us you banned Sglad for that very reason. You had no qualms applying the rule to him.
Last year, on two separate occasions, Kommie attempted to sabotage this board by making posts where he added links to newspaper articles containing highly defamatory comments about a certain high profile Thai figure and his son. Fortunately, the posts were caught in time and quickly deleted.
By allowing him to remain on the board even after that, you are suggesting that the transgressions by Kor Tose, AsDaRa, kjun12, et al are more serious than any attempts by Kommie to destroy the board.
He can do it again.
Kommie has Surfcrest by the balls.
A447, this post is your initial farewell. Despite your attempts to portray it as such, it is not a quiet departure.
You are at a party, you have a disagreement with the host, how should you leave? Yes, quietly through the front door.
However you have to make an announcement to the other guests that you have had a disagreement with the host which is driving you away from the party, then tell everyone that there are better and more popular parties down the street, where other of his guests have already gone!
Any host would respond to that provocation.
I have enjoyed your posts, and took your side when there was discussion about Kommie's fake posts about his holiday with you. However in arguments you have a tendency to twist the truth to suit yourself in a pretty insincere way.
Stop whining, and enjoy the other parties.
Kommie...Brisbaneguy...Sooty...all three of them were tossers. Frequent too has been a tosser up to now although as long as he remains a member can always always alter their online persona.
L.M.T.U. was a close friend who introduced me to the boards. In his time he took alot of abuse inturn he probably gave more...Upon reading some of his posts and some replies I said John does none of this bother you, his reply was simple....he said never forget this is virtual....and if you do stop posting!
You know some of my posts over the years have been quite lengthy (like the one above) so I could have written so much more had I wished to do so. i actually thought I was quite restrained in my comments.
What? By broadcasting private information about me to the other guests?Quote:
Any host would respond to that provocation
You don't have a problem with the owner of an internet board releasing private messages?? That is an unforgivable breach of trust,and yet my "provocation" is more important to you??
You don't think that Surfcrest has 'twisted the truth to suit (himself) in a pretty insincere way?" I mean, you read the accusations he made. I presume you have read the PM'S. And you say Im acting I sincerely?
Anyway, I do hope to be enjoying the other parties - if I can make it out the door!
I only knew LMTU and his latter incarnation as HeyGay on gaythailand. I never knew the man personally. I know he had many good friends and I was genuinely saddened when he died, especially the manner of his death. I am happy for him that he had friends to take care of him since he could not return to the UK for treatment.
I never enjoyed his posting. Some certainly was informative and I have no doubt some found it very useful. It was partly the childish English he used - clearly deliberate as I know he spoke and wrote English to the manner born. It was partly also the "tips" he would give out as facts when in fact they were not facts at all. He frequently suggested that if any "fact" was proved wrong, he would stand the one who discovered it a nice dinner. Well, as just one example, he certainly got his knickers twisted in the Air Hanuman fare episode - but absolutely would not back down. Yet he was just plain wrong!
But it is the comment about "never forget this is virtual ...and if you do stop posting" that certainly summed up some of his writing and which I find objectionable. The fact is that if you use a forum to spread rumour, gossip and, let's be honest. sometimes outright lies (and I stress I make no reference to any specific poster), then the whole point of a forum is not only massively devalued - it becomes worthless. I could spin any number of tales of adventures in Taiwan, Japan, Bhutan, Singapore, wherever, yet never having been to any of them. If my view was "this is virtual", I could lie in every sentence. Then if any member found themselves in those countries using my travel posts as a guide, they would be up shit creek.
Treating a forum as a personal plaything may seem great fun to those with far too much time on their hands. Occasional banter between members is quite different. But I maintain that unless there is a strong thread of honesty and respect for what is posted, forums will die sooner rather than later.
Ditto to Fountainhalls' entire post.
Contentious posters permitted to remain on SGT, or encouraged to return to SGT after they have been banned, and their previous posts on SGT allowed to remain in tact. They post with the very clear intention of denigrating other board members. It is no wonder that SGT is now less attractive than other gay sites.
That was the very point I was making when in my OP I said I was heading off to the other boards. I also made the point that they were attracting new members and were being rejuvinated.
But one poster thought that was provocative.
Maybe it was, but like bob, I was only stating the bleeding obvious. That's what this thread is about, isn't it? Posters leaving and no new people bothering to join?
But I don't have to worry about that any more.
Finally, there is one post in this thread which I haven't responded to. I was going to let it pass but will offer a quick reply.
It concerns the blind poster, Matt. He's upset because I don't believe his story and do not understand how a blind man can post on the forum.
Matt, your hilarious attempts at making "typos" have given you away, time and time again. You just can't seem to pull it off. If we analyse the "mistakes" it becomes obvious that they are deliberate.
Your life as a blind typist became even funnier when you explained that the keyboard sounds out each letter as you type. That's how you know what you've typed. But then you proceeded to type a series of random letters. That's when I suggested that maybe you had gone suddenly deaf. If not, it would mean that you sat there at the computer as it sounded a series of consonants and you actually thought it was a real word.
What exactly did you hear as you typed "morrre " or "Qw'll aww qhT Gppwna I fuwaa"?
You've refused to explain the inconsistencies because apparently, I don't ask you politely enough!
And I'm the one who has lost credibility, not you?
Surely, you jest.
No offense intended, but I don't think Matt is meant to be taken seriously, though he may be existing in a seriously delusional world that he has created in KK. His posts are not objectionable so he's best left to the ongoing creation of his parallel universe. IMHO
For fuck sakes...
I guess I'm with you a447. I'm out of here too. Although I won't do the same as you, and cause a shit storm out of it.
I have 7 years of posting history here, so go ahead, find a lie. I'm sure I've exageratted a few times due to having a few too many drinks, but not once have I ever lied, or at least not to my recollection. Simply because I don't lie.
Whatever, doesn't matter....
Gee, where did everone go?
Anyone remember the Bitch Board?
https://youtu.be/4_1RWDtj1uM
MFAS and Fountainhall get together to discuss their differences.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OVqacJVIII
arsenal I am not sure if humor is permitted anymore on this board as I suspect F.H. has leaned heavily on surf to stop it.....having said that years ago I actually posted that same clip...not sure but I think it was directed to a former member with the handlle sanook...BTW we have already dicussed what the best color would be for F.H. and it was firey red.
Well being chaste and pure of thought, soul and deed I would be dressed in either friar brown or perhaps popey purple.
And if one thing is clear since the smooth and friendly takeover by His Organic Majacastical Holy Weariness Monsieur Surfcrest it is that he can't be leaned on.
Come on A447, Surf did exactly the same thing with me and you did not say a word. Posting PMs is only bad when it is your PM? All I can say is that I told you guys a long time ago that Surf was Neal in another form and no--you didn't believe me. So in MHO you have no bitch. Ignore Brad he was always a bit dumb
SG: read it again. I said No offense intended, and I meant it. I just think Matt needs more contact with English speaking residents of KK.
Oh I noticed the "no offence" right away, Bob
I've used that device too - usually right after something like:
"You look like someone poured petrol on your face, set it on fire and then beat out the flames with a baseball bat"
In your case you say you mean it when you add "no offence" - whereas I almost never do!!
Sorry for tarring you with the same brush as me!
:D
Fabulous, an absolutely fabulous thread. I haven't enjoyed myself so much in years.
KT, I can't recall someone ever divulging the contents of anyone's PM., let alone yours. It's unheard of in chat forums.
Did you post about it when it happened or did Surfcrest post it within a thread? If it was the latter, I may have missed it as I don't read all the topics.
Surfcrest 's action is akin to a lawyer posting his client's details, however innocuous, on the internet. Or a catholic priest hearing someone 's confession then broadcasting it to the entire congregation. Imagine the furore that would create.
When Neal was running this board, he once told me that he had the capacity to read member's PM's.
"But, of course, I would never do such a thing!" he said, with a straight face.
I don't know for certain whether he could or not, but at the time he was feuding with me and a couple of other posters, he was able to prevent some PMs getting through and could delete incoming PMs. That suggests he may have been reading them.
He was even able to send me a PM pretending to be Sooty - one of Kommentariat's aliases. Of course, he denied on the forum ever doing that, but he forgot one thing - Sooty was banned at the time and so couldn't possibly have sent it.
Since then I've limited the number of PMs I've sent and been extra careful as to what info I reveal.
But maybe you're right, KT. Members perhaps are willing to accept such a gross breach of internet privacy protocols - until they have a run in with Surfcrest one day, fire up their computers and see their own PM'S plastered on the forum.
Surfcrest has done irreparable damage to his reputation and credibility through a thoughtless act of vindictiveness in an attempt to extract some kind of revenge .
But revenge for what? I'm still not sure.
Is it because of the decision I made? Was I such a wonderful, witty, engaging and fabulous member without whom the board cannot survive? Hardly.
Is it because, as Brad said, I provoked him by mentioning the fact that another board had lots of new members? Hardly, considering I had already made the same comments in the thread, so he was already well aware of them and let them pass without comment.
Even Neal at his worst was able to resist the temptation to post members' PM'S. So you're right - Surfcrest is indeed Neal in a different form. But a worse form.
And like with Neal, you'd certainly think twice before going into business with him!
Throughout this entire thread a447, you have accused me of being dishonest, dispicable, untruthful and blackening your name "a447" by accurately describing to you your request for me to muzzle Frequent. No matter how many times I described what you said, you denied it until I published your request...and now the outrage is about me publishing your PM behind the PM you published in the same thread. What I published proves the real truth...which unfortunately is not your version of the truth. This yelling you describe me doing to you is also not so, when you review the abuse you've thrown at me unprovoked. It's all in this thread, for anyone to review.
Bye
Surfcrest
A447's retort......
https://youtu.be/WOjhDtWDPz8
"Where are they now?" might be a good title for a new thread.
Hang on! You are conveniently forgetting a couple of important details here.
A). I published my own PM. first, to refute your claims. You published the other PM after I'd published mine, not "behind" it! WTF?
B). I am allowed to reveal my own PM'S, as they are exactly that - mine. You went ahead and released a PM which was not your own - it was somebody else's. And on the internet, that's a big no-no.
C). There is not a lot of difference between the two PM'S. Both clearly show that there is no request to "muzzle" - there is a request to enforce your rules. If there was no rule to be enforced, then obviously I would not have asked you to do so. I can hardly expect you to enforce a rule that doesn't exist!
The other accusations you made are nowhere to be found in those PMst, either. Both of my PM'S are up on the board so why not highlight the parts where you say I asked you to do all those things? That shouldn't be too difficult.
For example, where is my alleged request to "create a new rule?" I can't find it, so I'm surprised you can.
And the request for privileged treatment? Funny, I can't seem to find that, either.
And the request to you to fight my battles for me? Since when is asking you to make sure posters abide by the rules - your rules - akin to a request to fight a battle for me?
Surfcrest, are we reading the same PM'S?? We are not talking about interpretation of remarks here ; you made specific accusations, so please post specific evidence.
You've said "Bye." (Don't you now wish you had just said that as a response to my OP and quickly moved on?). But Wait! Come back! You haven't explained yourself properly.
And you forgot to not mention the ethics involved in posting someone's PM.