Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Our Jamesy-boy couldn't have been THAT much of a queen - he managed to father 7 children, and it's fair to assume that he didn't hit the pregnancy jackpot on his first attempt each time.
That adds up to a prodigious amount of fanny shagging - the very thought of which is making me quite nauseated. :ymsick:
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Originally Posted by scottish-guy
Our Jamesy-boy couldn't have been THAT much of a queen - he managed to father 7 children, and it's fair to assume that he didn't hit the pregnancy jackpot on his first attempt each time.
That adds up to a prodigious amount of fanny shagging - the very thought of which is making me quite nauseated. :ymsick:
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James was a comlicated man -straight for pay and duty but outraged the court (and the clergymen in particular) with his open gay lifestyle.
He was way ahead of his time and saw no contridiction between his strong religousity and his homosexual love. He even quoted from his bible in defence of his love for the handsome George Villier Duke of Buckingham-his absolute favourite: "As Jesus had John so Have I George" or words to that effect.
He didn't like Sir Walter Tobacco either and took his head partly for the following remark perhaps:
"King Elizabeth has been succeeded by Queen James"
Refer to the motto of the Kings of Scotland and see how much he lived by it when crossed.
I see you've been proposed for the post of Queen of Scots. Hek it's its pushing the caber a bit far but you never know in these crazy times.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Good point giggsy. There have been a number of articles speculating that Scotland, if independent, will get a rough ride in its application to join the EU, especially from countries such as Spain with their own strong separatist movements.
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That only works if you're gullible enough to believe what you see and read in a 100% Unionist and biased media - right through from the state broadcaster to the print media - and of course "gullible" is exactly what they hope you will be.
So, Kommie - it's a pity you're tarring yourself with the same brush as Giggsy in that respect.
*The official position of the Spanish government was given in January 2012 by Jos├й Garc├нa-Margall, the Spanish Foreign Secretary. Asked about reports in the UK press that Spain would veto Scottish membership of the EU, Mr Garc├нa-Margall replied that the reports were falso; that's Spanish for 'bollox'. Mr Garc├нa-Margall went on to explain that in the view of the Spanish government, the question of Scottish independence has ningun paralelismo to the Spanish situation; that's Spanish for 'it's nuthin like Spain, ya clown'.
Spanish opposition to Catalan and Basque independence is based on a clause in the Spanish constitution which refers to Spain as one indivisible nation. The Spanish cited a similar clause in the Serbian constitution when they refused to recognise the independence of Kosovo from Serbia. Unless Unionists can cite a clause in the UK constitution saying that the UK is one indivisible nation, they should callarse with the Spanish threat. That's Spanish for 'shut it'.
Unionists are asking us to believe that Spain would veto Scottish membership of the EU in order to discourage Basque and Catalan nationalism, when the Spanish government itself says that the Scottish and Spanish situations have nothing to do with one another. Then there's Gibraltar, the existence of which means Spanish conservatives aren't naturally disposed to do Westminster any favours on questions of sovereignty. As a successor state to the UK, Scotland has a share in Gibraltar and we could tell Spain we'd swap it for parts of Benidorm :))
It should also be noted that mariscos obsessed Spain, the country with the highest consumption of sea-food in Europe, depends on the access to Scottish waters allowed it by Scottish EU membership in order to keep Mercadona and Hipercor shelves stocked with bacalao, gambas and langosta. They're hardly likely to put that at risk just to keep in Westminster's good books and ensure continuing supplies of baked beans and Melton Mowbray pork pies.*
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index...h-independence
*Newsnetscotland
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Little did I think that stirring Scotty's sporran would evoke a several hundred word response. I guess as the day of failure for the referendum draws closer the cries of despair grow longer and louder.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
It's a little bit rich for conservative forces in the UK to be using Scotland's supposed isolation in Europe as an argument against Scottish independence when those self same people are themselves proposing that the UK leaves the European Community. In the (unlikely I think) event of a 'yes' vote for Scottish independence Scotland may (ironically) end up the only part of the present UK in the EU for I have no doubt that an independent Scotland would be welcomed into the community with opened arms.
Mr Cameron opened up a can of worms in bringing up the issue of the UK pulling out of Europe-"beware what you wish for" comes to mind- his conservative backbenchers and the UK Ind Party have taken up the running now with renewed vigour.
The French foreign minister Mons Fabius recently told a group of British businessmen "if Britain decides to leave Europe we will roll out the red carpet for you". Cameron has hedged a bit with his new proposal for a referendum on the "renegotiation" option. But the German minister Herr Westerville quickly stated that Britain could not "cherry pick" and stay in at the same time.
Could Hadrian's wall be be given a new lease of life -keeping the barbarian euro-using Scots at bay?
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Could Hadrian's wall be be given a new lease of life -keeping the barbarian euro-using Scots at bay?
One can only hope.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
1. After a YES vote, Scotland will be using the POUND.
2. After a YES vote and the subsequent loss of the Scottish pro-EU votes, there is absolutely no chance of the rump UK voting to stay in the EU.
This will be the ultimate irony - after having the Unionists screaming hysterically about Scotland being thrown out of the EU (no such mechanism exists), in the event of a YES vote and Independence - Scotland will be IN the EU and the rump UK will be OUT!
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1. After a YES vote, Scotland will be using the POUND.
2. After a YES vote and the subsequent loss of the Scottish pro-EU votes, there is absolutely no chance of the rump UK voting to stay in the EU.
This will be the ultimate irony - after having the Unionists screaming hysterically about Scotland being thrown out of the EU (no such mechanism exists), in the event of a YES vote and Independence - Scotland will be IN the EU and the rump UK will be OUT!
I'm not sure that a future ind. Scotland using the pound sterling is guaranteed.
Only 3 regions outside the Uk and N.Ireland can use the pound and they are classed as DEPENDENCIES. They are: The Isle of Man, the states of Jersey and the states of Guernsey.
I presume that an Ind. Scotland will not be a "dependency" of the UK like Man, Guersney and Jersey so why do you think that the use of the pound will be automatically granted?
Having looked the matter up I see that though Scottish and N. Irish banks can issue pounds for their own regions since 1932 there is a limitation on the issuance of the notes i.e. the approval of the UK parliament.
I'm interested to know how this matter can be resolved in the event of a "yes" vote.
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Thaiguest, I do admire the fact that you seem genuinely interested, so I'll try to be as helpful as I can on these matters:
1. Post-Independence use of the ┬г sterling does not require the Westminister Govt to "grant" permission. We do not require permission to use something we already (partially) own. It's like you and I buying, furnishing, and maintaining a house together - I don't need your permission to enter the house at any time and if we decide to part company I will want my share of the house (and everything that is jointly-owned within it) whether that share be be 10%, 50%, or 90%.
2. Therefore, Scots own a share in the ┬г - and a share in the Bank of England to which we have contributed for over 60 years. The ┬г sterling is an asset of either the UK or the BoE (take your pick) - either way we own a share of that asset. In the event of a YES vote, negotiations must take place to divide up the assets of the UK, and in those negotiations Scotland will be demanding the retention of the ┬г sterling within a formal currency union. That's a red-line issue for Scotland, and is widely referred to as "Plan A"
3.The Westminster Govt is bound by the Edinburgh Agreement (with the Scottish Govt) to respect the result of the Referendum and, if YES, to work co-operatively to implement it. If however they decide to break that Agreement and to block a Currency Union, that does not prevent Scotland unilaterally using the ┬г sterling. Take it from me - this is "Plan B", although it is not being officially acknowledged (yet). There is also a "Plan C" and a "Plan "D" - but these will not be revealed for political reasons.
4. So, either way, it IS guaranteed that Scotland would be using the ┬г sterling immediately post-independence, because it is simply not within the power of the UK Govt to prevent it. The ┬г sterling is a fully tradeable, convertable currency. Ireland used the pound sterling as its currency from independence in 1922 until 1928 when the Irish Punt was introduced (which was essentially the ┬г sterling in a nicer wrapper) - so there is a precedent!
5. The worst the UK Govt could do is to refuse a formal Currency Union which would cause Scotland (and the rump UK!) some transactional difficulties. In retaliation, Scotland would refuse to take on a population share of the 1.6 trillion UK debt (projected figures for 2016). Hopefully it won't come to that and with the voting over, sense will prevail.
One more thing - you mention Scottish Banknotes: these are printed under licence from the BoE and the issuing banks (Bank of Scotland, Royal Bank of Scotland, and Clydesdale Bank) have to guarantee their notes by depositing the equivalent amounts with the BoE. In other words, every Scottish banknote is already 100% covered by deposits at the BoE.
Ditto with the NIrish issuing bank/s. Of course, if there was no currency union, we'd have to have those deposits back.