Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
Keep in mind, Chiang Mai people aren't idiots and thanks to Miguels Mexican places as bad as Pattaya simply can't survive. That's why I want all Pattaya Mexican places to go under because that opens the space for a new place to set a decent standard here.
I have been to Sams three times. All times, really low standard food. Mexicans would be disgusted and wouldn't eat there unless they were starving and it was free, and because I know Mexican food, so was I.
The truth about the stomach upset is true. Take it or leave it. I say don't go there because the food is terrible and doesn't even resemble good Mexican food, not because of the stomach problems.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
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Originally Posted by Narakmak
Tastes vary, but ALL of these are much better than anything in Pattaya --
Sunrise
La Monita Taqueria
Tacos and Salsa (run by a Mexican)
Los Cabos
In Chiang Mai,
Miguels, also much better than anything in Pattaya.
Haven't tried yet, but hear good things also about El Diablos
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No more excuses. Pattaya deserves better!
Ah, do you understand that your opinion is only your opinion?
If I like a mexican restaurant in pattaya and enjoy the food better than the mexican food alternatives that you have pointed out...then the alternatives are NOT BETTER.
You may have a preference and believe them to be better but that is just your opinion.
Do you understand that?
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
No, this goes beyond opinion. It is simply not possible for anyone who knows Mexican food to think Sams has better Mexican food that any of the places I mentioned. I am not saying all of the others are great or would rate in California. etc., but there is no doubt Sams is objectively bad. It is true some people may like Sams, but they simply have horrible taste and know nothing about what Mexican food can be.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
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Originally Posted by Narakmak
No, this goes beyond opinion. It is simply not possible for anyone who knows Mexican food to think Sams has better Mexican food that any of the places I mentioned. I am not saying all of the others are great or would rate in California. etc., but there is no doubt Sams is objectively bad. It is true some people may like Sams, but they simply have horrible taste and know nothing about what Mexican food can be.
No your comments are just your opinions.
What if I do not know mexian food or if I dislike your preferred/recommended style of mexican food and find Sam's enjoyable in that case Sam's would be a better choice for me.
Your opinion is that the food is bad. Mine opinion might be that it is good.
These are our respective opinions. Just that opinions...Not absolute facts.
You do understand that your comments are subjective? You get that right?
What objective standard are you using? What is the comparison? Your taste preference is a subjective measure not an objective measure.
See Scottish Guys comments above.
You might be suffering from the dunning kruger effect. (ooo..I have been wanting to use that for a bit). Don't worry it is not fatal.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
Oh, please, that was total BS. I don't doubt there are many people who prefer a 10 baht hot dog to a 2,000 baht world class Argentina steak, but it is not opinion that the hot dog is better food. Objectively, the Argie steak is better. Same difference. I can be objective about this because I do happen to be an expert on Mexican and many other food types. Not all, of course. I can't really judge sushi so well, so in that case I would be at the yahoo level, saying I "like" this or that, based on nothing really objective. Only total morons wouldn't get my point here.
Another example. I don't doubt there are many people (probably the OP) who would prefer a bland bottled Pace salsa to the best homemade salsas in Mexico City and proclaim the Pace to be better. Objectively, they would be totally wrong by any standard of reason. They would be right about their horrible taste in Mexican food though.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
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Originally Posted by Narakmak
Oh, please, that was total BS. I don't doubt there are many people who prefer a 10 baht hot dog to a 2,000 baht world class Argentina steak, but it is not opinion that the hot dog is better food. Objectively, the Argie steak is better. Same difference. I can be objective about this because I do happen to be an expert on Mexican and many other food types. Not all, of course. I can't really judge sushi so well, so in that case I would be at the yahoo level, saying I "like" this or that, based on nothing really objective. Only total morons wouldn't get my point here.
Another example. I don't doubt there are many people (probably the OP) who would prefer a bland bottled Pace salsa to the best homemade salsas in Mexico City and proclaim the Pace to be better. Objectively, they would be totally wrong by any standard of reason. They would be right about their horrible taste in Mexican food though.
I do get your point which is that you have opinions about food. Great.
But you have not stated any objective measures that you use to make your comparisons between object one and object two. You have stated your opinions. Great. I am glad you have them but they are subjective measures of your thoughts and tastes. They are not objective measures of good and better.
I mean you do understand the difference between and objective and a subjective measure? I am assuming you do understand that they are different.
If I was a thai worker making a few thousand baht a month I suspect I would prefer the 10 baht hotdog as I could not afford the Argentine steak. Just a guess.
If I liked bland food and found mexican flavors too strong and preferred the taste of Pace salsa then I would be wrong according to you to have those tastes and preferences. I would be wrong by any standard of reason?
God it must be wonderful to see the need in other to conform to your standards.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
John Colapinto: Lunch with M. -- Undercover with a Michelin inspector
A degree in hospitality, hotel management, or cooking is mandatory for Michelin inspectors. Every job that Maxime held, from high school on, had been in the domestic food, wine, or restaurant industry. She got a masterтАЩs from N.Y.U. in food studies, and obtained a sommelierтАЩs certification. Six years ago, she was working in a food-and-hospitality job in a city far from New York when she learned that Michelin was recruiting inspectors to produce a New York City guide. тАЬI immediately started stalking Jean-Luc,тАЭ she said. She had several preliminary interviews in New York, during which she was warned about the rigors of life as an inspectorтАФthe travel, the regimen of constant eating, the pressure to fill out meticulously detailed reports on time, the enforced anonymity, the low pay. (тАЬLetтАЩs just say itтАЩs not about the money,тАЭ she said.)
Maxime eats out more than two hundred days of the year, lunch and dinner. She eats the maximum number of courses offeredтАФat Jean Georges [New York, 3 Michelin stars], we were having three courses, plus dessert; that way, she said, тАЬyou really get to see the most foodтАЭтАФand she is required to eat everything on her plate. It is a regimen that calls to mind the force-feeding of the ducks that supply Vongerichten with his velvety foie gras, but Maxime, blessed with a quick metabolism, had managed to avoid obesity, an occupational hazard.
If she were on an inspection visit, she said, she would go home directly after finishing dessert and paying her bill, and begin filling out her report, which is made in the form of entries in a classification form supplied to all Michelin inspectors. She would list every ingredient in everything she ate, and the specifics of every preparation. She would rate these according to several criteria, including quality of the products, mastery in the cooking, technical accuracy, balance of flavors, and creativity of the chef.
For a restaurant like Jean Georges, filling out the reports would take two to three hours. A Chinese restaurant might take an hour. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/11/23/091123fa_fact_colapinto?currentPage=all
Facts = educated opinion = opinion?
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
You must bear in mind that we are talking here about Pattaya, where the universally accepted arbiter of culinary standards, the Pattaya Mail's Miss Terry Diner, wouldn't recognise an objective verdict on a cucumber unless you shoved it up her no doubt suitably capacious ass.
Any Michelin judgements in Pattaya are more likely to concern the tyres on your car.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
I give up. Keep on spending your money on the dreck Mexican food in Pattaya. There is good food to be had in Pattaya. but no good Mexican food. I know some people are satisfied with something that gives a hint of Mexican food but I love Mexican food too much to soil my palate with the local stuff. I'd rather have nothing because in my view the local stuff is already nothing.
Re: A REAL Mexican Restaurant in Pattaya Thailand!
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Originally Posted by Narakmak
I give up. Keep on spending your money on the dreck Mexican food in Pattaya. There is good food to be had in Pattaya. but no good Mexican food. I know some people are satisfied with something that gives a hint of Mexican food but I love Mexican food too much to soil my palate with the local stuff. I'd rather have nothing because in my view the local stuff is already nothing.
I am glad you recognize those are your opinions.