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Re: Best thing you can do for a Issan boy?
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Originally Posted by zinzone
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OP are u totally effing stupid or what?
Your ludicrous suggestions like buying a house or funding a business for some issan boy whose cock or arse u happen to fancy for a while is just another example of how pathetically naive and gullible some of these 'more money than sense' farangs have when it comes to Thais.
Time and again the experienced ones on this web site try to warn against silly farangs throwing their wordly goods at these prostitutes but u have proven OP that sooner rather than later u will lose what if anything you have.
Mostly what is given to Thais goes to fuel drug or gambling habits or to help keep extended families in their lazy world of idleness and you OP are doing a shocking disservice by posting in this wholly irresponsible manner.
For fuck sake get real!
well said ZZ, you cant just through big money at this poor thai guy as it will just run him off the rails, possibly leading to drink/drugs & gambling whereafter you could have the mafia after you if hes runs up big debts, as was a recent case ending the life of a nice falang who jumped from the window of his centrecondo.
Look at my signature quote here at the bottom & have a think, give it time to really get to know him. also mentioned yes just increase your tips & see what hes actually really doing with your hard earned money
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...u only confuse the "boys"by treating them like equals or lovers...best policy is to fuck th├йm and leave them....you have the money so you rule...they are there to serve you...to make sure YOU have a good time....keep it simple...trust me...the "boys"like it that way...clearly defined roles....and I'm not talking about top or bottom roles...even a big bottom queen can be the "boss"....at the click of a finger the "boy" must get an erection to serve you or he gets replaced...
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Have you people not realised that Matt started this thread almost 3 years ago so all your "good advice" is completely redundant? Save your pearls of wisdom for another time.
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Surely this is one thread that could be closed. It is no longer relevant.
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I suspect this topic still has some life left.
If a guy wants to spend his money on a bar boy what is the problem?
I think of it as a hobby....spend some money and don't expect much in return except the psychic rewards....amusement..drama...dead grandmother stories....assorted sick relatives.
Sending money to the issan village because the boy is stranded and checking amd seeing it was picked up on an island in the south of Thailand.
That is real psychic value for the money spent....better than any telly drama.
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Re: Best thing you can do for a Issan boy?
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Originally Posted by springco
But what you really believed Matt was that you were taking the SAFEST route, not the riskiest.
Depends on the context you put it in. For example, the safest route would have been to sit in a cubicle in downtown Toronto all day, working my way up the corporate ladder, and taking annual vacations to all inclusive resorts in Mexico.
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You'll do it again in a different town and call it a "new adventure". Only the scenery changes, but the plot remains the same.
You've never learned from your own mistakes? Trust me, I will never allow an uneducated Issan rice farmer to become an integral part of my life again. That ain't happening! :-) I'll drop off some food and supplies to orphanages every month or two, and that'll be good enough for me helping the less fortunate.
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Originally Posted by lonelywombat
Surely this is one thread that could be closed. It is no longer relevant.
where will people go to gloat then? I have read quite a lot of cdnmatts posts about how wonderful life is in King Kong or wherever living with a bunch of ignorant villagers and there bar boy family member and generally sticking it up those older posters here who prefer Pattaya or Bankok and being snooty about people who dont learn the lingo so they can have deep and meaningful conversations with afoursaid villagers.
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Originally Posted by BrisbaneGuy
I have read quite a lot of cdnmatts posts about how wonderful life is in King Kong or wherever living with a bunch of ignorant villagers and there bar boy family member and generally sticking it up those older posters here who prefer Pattaya or Bankok and being snooty about people who dont learn the lingo so they can have deep and meaningful conversations with afoursaid villagers.
Is this what is known as Karma BrisbaneGuy?
Even though this was so predictable, it is still fun to follow the soap opera adventures of Matt in "King Kong" and beyond. Now the fretting about the move to a new location with Mother-Hen KhorTose lending advice on all the "secrets" of Chiang Mai. And I am sure there will be an episode on the dogs which still weigh heavily in Matt's thoughts. There is at least one dog expert in Chiang Mai who makes a profession of acting as Father Confessor to the hopelessly lovelorn.
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Originally Posted by Thai Dyed
Is this what is known as Karma BrisbaneGuy?
I only know about the Karma Sootra mate but it looks as if the Thais have completely fucked cdnmatt.
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Originally Posted by Thai Dyed
You were warned Matt. Your change in geography will do little to help despite the fact that Khor Tose is tempting you with fantasies of "showing you places he doesn't tell the tourists about." Yeah, sure... and no doubt you believe in the tooth fairy too.
Yeah Matt, forget about the tooth fairy. Boy Genius or Cha Na or whatever he wants to be tomorrow has always had all the answers. You can tell by what a sweet charming personality he has to present to the world. Matt you are trying to find the right road, and many of us here hope you find it and wish you the best of luck. Don't let boy-genius turn you into the bitter old queen like she is. We all make mistakes and some of us do learn and move on. You will find a good group of people here in Chiang Mai none of whom have been some Thai's whore and now are all too bitter about life.
By the way, Scotty i owe you a public apology, you were not Hilda, I am now pretty sure I know who she was and it was not you, and for suggesting that I am sorry.
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Sorry to briefly drag this off-topic, but in direct response to the post above:
That's cool KT - I was never "Hilda".
I do not post on any other board under any other name - so my musings are (thankfully?) easy to avoid.
Anyhoo, I see the latest suggestion is that I am in cahoots with Smiles and jinks - again, totally untrue - I don't even know where Cahoots is! :occasion9:
Hylda Baker was a bit of a comedy heroine of mine - pity "Hilda" can't spell the name correctly, lol
If you DO know who "Hilda" is, feel free to tip me off.
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who cares how long ago this was posted, its obviously still relevant as people are replying, nothing changed the boys are still boys & money is still money in my eyes! the only thing thats really changed is that we get a lower exchange rate than when this was originally posted so we get a worse deal
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I agree that this is still interesting. I haven't got past the mobile phone stage with the boys and not sure that I want to. One of them suggested I send him to college and then buy him a shop but I said no to that. I am trying to be in the tip them well and leave them camp. But I do enjoy their company so that is hard. I was amazed when one of them spent his departure present on a ring. He needed lots of other things but the lure of jewellery seems strong. I gather that, in Asia, jewellery is like a deposit account in farangland. One massage boy was very proud that he had saved up to buy a cow, which lived with his family. So maybe the answer to the best thing we can do is buy them a cow?
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Originally Posted by Mancs
...he had saved up to buy a cow, which lived with his family...
In many instances I've known it to work the other way round - where an old cow takes a boy in to live with her.
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Originally Posted by Mancs
So maybe the answer to the best thing we can do is buy them a cow?
Excellent suggestion; easier to milk a cow than a farang, the cow has 4 teats.
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Originally Posted by francois
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So maybe the answer to the best thing we can do is buy them a cow?
Excellent suggestion; easier to milk a cow than a farang, the cow has 4 teats.
And is capable of dying many times so that it can be revivified by large and frequent transfusions of farang cash...
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In 2009 cows could be bought from 3000 bt for a calf to around 10,000 for a prime animal. Even if they've gone up a bit those prices sound very reasonable.
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Last time I was in Bangkok I saw a few Thai heifers pushing street vendor carts around.
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1. Make sure they are well-educated on safe sex
2. Take them and make sure they get vaccinated for Hep A, Hep B, Typhoid, etc
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gearguy, are you suggesting that as a customer at a beer bar or go go bar it's my responsibility to have the boy vaccinated before I off him? seems a bit odd to me, and not something I'd plan to do on my holidays.
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Originally Posted by joe552
gearguy, are you suggesting that as a customer at a beer bar or go go bar it's my responsibility to have the boy vaccinated before I off him? seems a bit odd to me, and not something I'd plan to do on my holidays.
Joe, the title of this thread is "Best thing you can do for a Issan boy?". gearguy's comment is 100% ON-TOPIC.
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Originally Posted by joe552
gearguy, are you suggesting that as a customer at a beer bar or go go bar it's my responsibility to have the boy vaccinated before I off him? seems a bit odd to me, and not something I'd plan to do on my holidays.
Joe, the title of this thread is "Best thing you can do for a Issan boy?". gearguy's comment is 100% ON-TOPIC.
I agree it truly is 100% on topic. However, HepB vaccination takes three shots and seven months to get all three shots. What is truly unfortunate is many Issan boys who have HepB have received it vertically from their mothers and it is too late for the vaccination. If you are a farang, you are playing with fire if you ]do not get your HepB shots before you arrive in country. HepB is far easier to get then HIV and you should definitely get vaccinated for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_B_vaccine
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I didn't say the post was off topic - only that I thought it odd that gearguy seemed to be suggesting that as a customer I should ensure a boy has been vaccinated before I off him.
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If I may stick my big toe in here for a moment and then quickly take it out?
Joe, Gearguy did not say that you as a customer should take the boy to get a Hep A,B, Typhoid vaccine. The title is The Best thing You can Do For An Isaan Boy. In my opinion that just means what one person could do for the good of another person, a boy. Has no meaning of customer for a one night or week off boy. If someone wanted to do something nice for an Isaan boy.
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thanks Neal for clarifying.
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A thank you to the member who posted this...it recently prompted me to quizz my BF about this and turns out he has not been vaccinated, something that i'm getting sorted very shortly!
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Originally Posted by gearguy
2. Take them and make sure they get vaccinated for Hep A, Hep B, Typhoid, etc
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:thk: And perhaps some potent ointment for anal warts too?
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:scratch: thankfully not an issue with my BF !
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Originally Posted by nanette
:thk: And perhaps some potent ointment for anal warts too?
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Re: Best thing you can do for a Issan boy?
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Originally Posted by Alex303
A thank you to the member who posted this...it recently prompted me to quizz my BF about this and turns out he has not been vaccinated, something that i'm getting sorted very shortly!
Best to go to a reputable clinic/doctor/hospital and have him tested to see if already exposed to Hep B. If so, further vaccination is not necessary as he will have immunity.
This is cheaper than the 3 shots for Hep B over a period of months. Suggest a hospital.
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Best thing you can do for an Isaan boy?
The best thing that a farang can do for an isaan boy is to start by showing him how grateful he is that the boy has entered his existence, because it was him, and others like him, who changed his life from being mundane...unfulfilled...and lifeless...to a life where his dreams have been allowed to come alive...a gift not many receive in their lifetimes.
If you've chosen the path, and I don't mean a path with avoids emotional connections and relationships with Thai boys, but the path which led you to a life where you are either living in or totally consumed with Thailand then never lose sight of the fact that they (the boys) are the components of your dreams which guided you here to begin with, unless in fact you are one of those rare gay farang who were drawn here being consumed with the golden temples and indian charms. Never take them for granted - because there're a dozen more like you right around the corner. Turn your back on them completely and they'll disappear from your dreams as fast as they entered. They can't be held responsible for our dreams/compulsions/addictions or the fact that we came here to begin with and they owe no explanation to any of us for anything.
It's not about what the Isaan boy needs from YOU that really matters...it's about your understanding and acceptance of those needs..
Those who believe that all the Isaan boys come from worthless families who do nothing more than sit around all day drinking rot-gut whiskey have either never lived in Isaan or they are simply prejudice against people of lower social standings. The majority of farmers in Isaan spend 8-10 back-breaking hours a day in their fields - a job that not one loose-lipped farang could stand up to. They drink at night as a means of erasing the thoughts they have about having to do it again the next day - all the time knowing that life will never get an easier for them. The typical Isaan boy comes from a life that many of you think you understand - but you haven't the foggiest clue.
If you hold him accountable for every satang you place in his hands then be prepared to be disappointed. If you're not willing to accept the fact that your personal needs for fulfillment dwarf his needs and the needs of his family then your ignorance and self-centeredness will once again result in disappointment. Show him that you are ignorant or insensative to the reality of his life and the life of his family back in Isaan and you'll never win his heart - just his body - until he finds another ignorant and insensitive farang who's willing to pay more. ..thus the term "ATM" (Another Time to Move). Ironically, this is the path that so many farang end up taking, e.g., just buy them for sex, never listen to any lies about their families needing money, don't ever attempt to have a meaningful relationship with one of them because I couldn't do it so it must be impossible...and so on.
Many of you know that I was married to a boy from Isaan...he became addicted to drugs...was imprisoned...and died at age 26. During the 8 years we were together the money that he received from me went to buy a piece of farm land for his family...then a tractor...then a house large enough for his entire family to live. His mother, father, 2 of his mothers sisters, one grandfather and two young boys named Pan and Ape now work the farm and go to sleep at night in a nice home. His (my late bf's) contribution to his family was unquestionably enormous and I'm quite sure that Pan and Ape will be taking care of the place when they grow up and have families of their own.
I guess when I hear all these stories about the boys from Isaan just squandering all the money you give them without any care for the future I should consider myself fortunate. What did I give my boy from Isaan when he was alive?...My unconditional love and the acknowledgement that the needs of his family would always be a top priority.
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Thanks francois but i'm already thinking along those lines as he goes to Uni in Udon and there's several good private Hospitals there so i've asked him last week to speak to 2 of them and get back to me asap.
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Originally Posted by francois
Best to go to a reputable clinic/doctor/hospital and have him tested to see if already exposed to Hep B. If so, further vaccination is not necessary as he will have immunity.
This is cheaper than the 3 shots for Hep B over a period of months. Suggest a hospital.
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Maybe spell Isaan correctly so he understands what you mean when you say the word?
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Is there a "correct" way to spell Issan in English? and even if there is, how does that help a Thai guy know what you're talking about? surely for him it would be your pronunciation?
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Resurrecting an old thread....
I would like to add getting him vaccinated for 'Diphtheria' to this list...my BF was struck down by this a few weeks ago and it was very nasty...he was unconscious for several days at one point and we were lucky to get him into a good private hospital quickly.
Irony is I did get him vaccinated for Hep A, Hep B & Typhoid last year.
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Originally Posted by gearguy
2. Take them and make sure they get vaccinated for Hep A, Hep B, Typhoid, etc
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Good idea Alex; will put that on my to-do list for the bf. I doubt that he has gotten that vaccine along with the usual mix of tetanus and pertussis which are combined in one shot.
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no problem Francois....hmmm yes Tetanus that's another one to definitely add to the list also. Do you mind me asking...do you usually get your BF's inoculations carried out at a Government or Private hospital ?
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Private hospital; Bangkok-Pattaya Hospital.
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Interesting that this topic has resurfaced given that cdnmatt's latest musings suggest that the best thing you can do for yourself if involved with an Esarn boy is say good-bye.
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Yes me too Private Hospital in Udon
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Originally Posted by francois
Private hospital; Bangkok-Pattaya Hospital.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say...
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Interesting that this topic has resurfaced given that cdnmatt's latest musings suggest that the best thing you can do for yourself if involved with an Esarn boy is say good-bye.