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Recently I had the pleasure of Googling Food Critic.
They are "journalists first" who have an "understanding" of ingredients.
They eat a meal and then form their "opinions". They are "not experts", have "no formal training" and are "not chefs". There are no specific qualifications, degrees or licensing.
As a matter of fact, as long as you can WRITE GOOD, anyone can go into the field of being a food critic!
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Mexican food is important to me. I never said its important to everyone. Anyone who thinks Sams is decent Mexican food shares your indifference. I'll ignore your lame comment about my music example; it was clear to non-abusive readers.
Oh I like the violin competition music example. Here is my rendition of his concert critique based on his mexican restaurant critique model.
I can see you at your nieces concert recital. She does an nice job playing the violin - we have to consider that she is in elementary school. Your proud sister says "Good job darling we love you and your playing was good".
You storm up saying screaming at your niece, "That was shit playing. I am an expert at violin playing. I have heard violin music all over the world from Carnegie Hall to international violin competitions and you are shit and as my sister you are stupid and ignorant and a twat for telling my niece that she is anything but shit as a violin player".
You storm off.
Your brother in law turns to your sister.
"What a fucking gaping hole! You guys still want to eat mexican for lunch at Sam's?".
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I am serious that I'd like to see all the Mexican places in Pattaya go out of business. Then nobody would dare to serve such a low standard Mexican food here and some smart person might realize they can do as well as the better Bangkok places, and then we could finally get at least one half decent place for Mex food in town.
Why do existing restaurants have to go out of business for that to happen? If what you call a "decent Mexican restaurant" opened and drew enough customers it might send the others out of business or make them improve their own product.
When it comes to such a subjective thing, your opinion may be more qualified but it is still an opinion. The fact is, Justme and others enjoyed this place, so let them enjoy it. Your opinion of the food isn't a solid fact.
I happen to think the coffee at Starbucks is bland horse piss and not real coffee but that is my opinion and it seems some people do enjoy it.
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Just to lighten things up a little on this thread.....I made this in my home a few months back. It may not be real Mexican food but it sure as hell was good. Everything you see was purchased at Friendship except the plate and spoon.
Equipment needed:
Crock pot to cook the pork
Frying pan to heat the flour tortilla
Microwave to melt the Anchor cheddar cheese
For the secret recipe please send 25b, Cash--check--or money order to:
Big Ben
Just around the corner from Wat Chi
3 doors down from the 7-11
Next to the big tree
Nongprue, Banglamung, Chonburi
20150
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Our resident self appointed mexican food (bitchfest nothing will ever be good enough for MY TASTES and everyone else is shit) food critic Narakmak declares he put me on ignore. I hope it is true. Sorry guys (girls and those of the 3rd category) for dragging this out so long.
I have a problem with self appointed experts that think anyone who disagrees with them is wrong.
I suspect Sam's has decent food, not great but edible. But what do I know..I apparently disagree with Narakmak and that apparently makes me an idiot.
It is good to know my place in life.
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Do you think I too can be as lucky as you?!
Signed:
The Pimp
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Do you think I too can be as lucky as you?!
Signed:
The Pimp
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Pray to the big buhda and maybe in your next life you will be spared assholes like him.
I doubt it as guys like our self appointed (I must be right and everyone else must be wrong) food critic seem to spring up like cockroaches. You can not get rid of them but with a bit of diligent pest control the fuckers crawl back under the counters.
LOL baby - buy me another drink and I will call him a fucking cunt bitch whore cocksucker for you anytime.
Take me to Sam's for dinner then get one of your boys to blow me under the table while I drink beer and I will go bitch slap the fuck in person.
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I like Tequila Reef, right on Soi 7. The best Mexican food I've tasted so far in Thailand. I try to get there at least once a week when in Pattaya. They had a good Thanksgiving Dinner last November as well.
Mikes is also good, and probably a better ambiance than Tequila Reef. But Tequila Reef's margaritas are much better.
Guess I'll have to try Sam's next time in town.
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You are judging by margaritas? Ridiculous. Tequila Reef, the second worst Mexican food I have had in Thailand, after Blue Parrot, the absolute dregs. I can't even imagine an American, much less a Mexican, thinking TR has good Mexican food. Hint -- BBQ ribs are not Mexican food or even Mexican American food. It's a weird thing you find in Thailand, "Mexican" restaurants serving American ribs. Nothing wrong with American style ribs though. Maybe they are good at TR, but I already have other good ribs places in town, and I don't wish to support that sham TR place.
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LOL baby - buy me another drink and I will call him a fucking cunt bitch whore cocksucker for you anytime.
Take me to Sam's for dinner then get one of your boys to blow me under the table while I drink beer and I will go bitch slap the fuck in person.
Now you are talking. Is there room for one more at your table.
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I get it now. A bunch of sex addicts here with no understanding of food.
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Yes, I will agree on this one...... To score a restaurant on their alcoholic drinks?? And I also, sorry to say, am full heartedly in agreeance that Tequilla Reefs is SECOND WORST, in my humble opinion, surpassed only by the food that they call Mexican at Blue Parrot!
Both in my opinion are really horrible.
When I tried someones ribs to see how they were, you would have to sit there and KNAW at it to get the meat off the bone. I have never gone back to either and Blue Parrot is across the street from me.
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I get it now. A bunch of sex addicts here with no understanding of food.
Well,
It is Pattaya, and you know what they say about when in Rome.............................
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I get it now. A bunch of sex addicts here with no understanding of food.
I owned a restaurant for nearly 8 years and have had my share of food experts and reviews in that time.
I remember the "big name" reviewer who sent his secretary in to borrow a menu. We had our new season menu available but had not started to beginning to prep.
The writeup for our pigs cheek done to perfection had me rolling on the floor for weeks. Our supplier had told us he could not supply for some weeks due to demand, so we removed it.
His comments on our stickydate pudding with home made icecream, plus our passionfruit souflee, were similar to our advertising brochure and his review could well have been written from a radio interview my chef had given earlier that month.
But the crowning glory was his comment he deplored undressed tables, which we use at breakfast and lunch only. We double cloth tables for evening service.
The only reviewers that we had we had respect for, were those that introduced themselves after paying the bill.
This was when they got details of the chef, extra feedback on specials and comments on our winelist.
I am afraid I have no respect for those who set themselves up as experts on food , and insist on telling everyone how good they are.
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Total BS! The best reviewers ALWAYS remain anonymous as much as they can. Of course a restauranteur would hate food critics. Duh.
In major cities, there are many thousands of eateries. What do you expect, food lovers to personally try all of them, wasting their money at most of them? Of course you would. Consumers shouldn't rely on one reviewer. They should read different ones and also food blogs like this --
Then they can make better decisions where to try, based on their own tastes, and track record of agreement with specific reviewers.
http://blissfulglutton.com/peter-chengs-smyrna/
Duh!
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Total BS! The best reviewers ALWAYS remain anonymous as much as they can. Of course a restauranteur would hate food critics. Duh.
Duh!
Very difficult to remain anonymous when you want to take photographs of the dishes for the review.
Duh!!!
Actually the discussions were always interesting as the best reviewers have a lot to offer and are always interested in anything different in food preparation or presentation.
Duh2!!
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Sounds like a hick town.
The most famous reviewers have a tradition of anonymity (not easy to pull off). Bloggers may be different. Many foodies take pictures of food anyway and pictures aren't always an element of reviews. Pattaya has no serious reviewers. It's all PUFFERY.
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Total BS! The best reviewers ALWAYS remain anonymous as much as they can. Of course a restauranteur would hate food critics. Duh.
Duh!
Very difficult to remain anonymous when you want to take photographs of the dishes for the review.
Duh!!!
Actually the discussions were always interesting as the best reviewers have a lot to offer and are always interested in anything different in food preparation or presentation.
Duh2!!
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Sounds like a hick town.
The most famous reviewers have a tradition of anonymity (not easy to pull off). Bloggers may be different. Many foodies take pictures of food anyway and pictures aren't always an element of reviews. Pattaya has no serious reviewers. It's all PUFFERY.
City of 5 milion people!!!!!!! Cannot remember anybody other than a reviewer taking pics in the restaurant. often for functions.
Pray tell me were all your reviews without pics or were they all puffery.
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You're silly. Maybe from a hick country.
http://eater.com/archives/2010/04/19/an ... -guide.php
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I need to say that Smyrna Georgia is a huge, very beautiful city. The picture and food look absolutely picture perfect but I cannot taste a picture and I dont know how crazy I would get over a Tofu dish.
To each there own.
If YOU did this review, I congradulate you on your review and being able to go many places and taste, sample and explore variety of foods.
That being said, I think the problem here still remains, that if you look at your previous posts, you put yourself out to be an "expert" and that your review is a "fact". If your reviews were mainly on high end restaurants and chefs as this article shows, then Sam's or any "ordinary restaurant" would probably never hope to get any type of decent remarks from you. You need to stick to the dozen or so high end restaurants that Pattaya has to offer and us retired folk with budgets can oogle over and critisize those more budget orientated places..... although I do love Freddie at Bruno's and his food when I get to go there.
If you had disagreed with our reviews rather than beligerantly continued yelling that it was "crap" and that you were an expert and these were the facts, etc. I believe this thread may have ended quite a long long time ago.
Someone else was right when they said that food critics are snobs and YES, you also were right when you said I was a sex addict but no when you referred to me as a "pimp".
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I am not the Blissful Glutton, she is a Jewish lady from Mexico City (I am a BIG FAN), but I have eaten there and the eggplant dish is one of my favorite dishes I have ever had in my entire life. I disagree also that reviewers need to focus on high end restaurants. That is totally false. Many reviewers focus on ethnic and budget places.
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Wonderful and I love eggplant. Nice eggplant at Villa Market!
But you did not address the other comments about why you found yourself being attacked.
And just thinking about it, why did you print someone elses review? How about printing one of YOURS and removing your name?
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Wonderful and I love eggplant. Nice eggplant at Villa Market!
But you did not address the other comments about why you found yourself being attacked.
And just thinking about it, why did you print someone elses review? How about printing one of YOURS and removing your name?
You're joking right? Do you think I'm an idiot? Think before you post?
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Wonderful and I love eggplant. Nice eggplant at Villa Market!
But you did not address the other comments about why you found yourself being attacked.
And just thinking about it, why did you print someone elses review? How about printing one of YOURS and removing your name?
You're joking right? Do you think I'm an idiot? Think before you post?
You are an idiot if you do not believe others have the right to disagree with you.
Do I think you are stupid? A self important asshole who thinks people who disagree with him about the taste of food are ignorant and engaging in idiocy (your words from other posts) would be a better description.
A gaping a gaping fucking asshole.
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Wonderful and I love eggplant. Nice eggplant at Villa Market!
But you did not address the other comments about why you found yourself being attacked.
And just thinking about it, why did you print someone elses review? How about printing one of YOURS and removing your name?
You're joking right? Do you think I'm an idiot? Think before you post?
I guess I am stupid. Now if you are a retired expert in the field of food critique, why would you not let us review your review? I even said remove your name.
I would like to see one or two of your reviews and what you said about them.
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We had had 3 different types of reviewers in my time as an owner.
The high profile daily newspaper writers, plus the reviewers for trade publications and awards and the gourmet and dining magazines. They were all respected, some often called in for a chat weeks after the review, offering advice and ask for info from my German chef.
Next level were the reviewers who believes they were the final arbiter of all things dining. The worst used to mark out of 20, and anything under 15 was "TRASH" One had a thing about bread and linen serviettes and would deduct marks from the food, ambience and service, one point for each. I remember an excellent bistro, also losing a mark for polished wood tables. That I think was when the rot started to set in.
Restaurant owners started to refuse one entry even when he stated he was not doing a review. Wait staff in other restaurants started to refuse to serve him, as well.
But the worst of all were the ones that believed their shit did not stink. They saw themselves almost as a dining god who could never be wrong. One bragged he had closed more restaurants that the Taxation and Health departments conbined. He had no interest in the losses a restaurant would incur, he cared little about the emotional and financial fallout that was the price of not being up to his standards. There were rumours of violence towards a reviewer who was scathing to an Italian restaurant, but I kept clear of that, and was not interested in the details.
This thread is mainly about Narakmac and Sams.
It is interesting that narakmac claims that Sam knows him. I wonder if Sam knows this type of crap on only one thread is being published?
I got tired of reading his opinionated rants about Sams, but here are a few from this thread only.
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I think the food there is HORRIBLE. Bland, no spice, not authentic. Everything is wrong. It isn't real. Please don't waste your money. Please stop supporting fake Mexican food in Pattaya. Bangkok and CM have some half decent places. Pattaya doesn't. Maybe someday. Not now and not Sams!
BTW, it's[ Sams] also a very poor value..
A place like Sams, this is how they stay in business. People hoping they will get better.
I say starve them out until someone opens a decent Mexican place in Pattaya
They serve that crap because so many of you are willing to buy their crap.
I am serious that I'd like to see all the Mexican places in Pattaya go out of business.
Though I wouldn't call either total crap like Sams, etc.
I want all Pattaya Mexican places to go under because that opens the space for a new place to set a decent standard here.
I have been to Sams three times. All times, really low standard food. Mexicans would be disgusted and wouldn't eat there unless they were starving and it was free, and because I know Mexican food, so was I.
there is no doubt Sams is objectively bad. It is true some people may like Sams, but they simply have horrible taste and know nothing about what Mexican food
Here is why I returned three times.
1. To try out the new place. It was crap.
2. Some poster on thaivisa said it was great and it had gotten better. Returned. It was still crap.
3. Another poster on thaivisa said it was great and it had gotten better. Returned. It was still crap.
Three strikes, you're out
could not stomach the food at Sams or any other place in Pattaya
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Liar! I said I talked to Sam about his food. I never said he knows me. Duh.
Also, you totally distorted my thoughts. Sams is not the worse Mex place in town. Blue Parrot and Tequila Reef are. I have no special issue about Sams. One poster here suggests we should support his food because he is supposedly gay. I find that absurd.
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Liar! I said I talked to Sam about his food. I never said he knows me. Duh.
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BTW, I have spoken to Sam about his food. He is a nice guy I admit but he serves very poor Mexican food. Apparently there is a market for it. Good for Sam. Bad for lovers of decent Mexican food.
I am sure Sam will remember you when he reads this thread.
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Also, you totally distorted my thoughts. Sams is not the worse Mex place in town. Blue Parrot and Tequila Reef are. I have no special issue about Sams.
Could have fooled me.
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No, Sam does not know me. Like I was the first person he ever spoke to about his "style" of food. Again, now it sounds like you deliberately distorted what I said here. Very sleazy. What's your agenda?
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No, Sam does not know me. Like I was the first person he ever spoke to about his "style" of food. Again, now it sounds like you deliberately distorted what I said here. Very sleazy. What's your agenda?
No agenda. I took umbridge at your cowardly attacks on people as if you were some god. The fact that my reply was mostly quotes from your own postings might be a little too subtle for you, but I tried.
Sleazy invites more honesty than you deserve. Get a life.
You could prove to have a lot of value if you could harness your ego, and shaved your big head.
PM me if you wish. I dont bite.
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Trashing a restaurant's food is cowardly? WTF! We are obligated to love everyone's business product? Get real.
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I say starve them out until someone opens a decent Mexican place in Pattaya... I am serious that I'd like to see all the Mexican places in Pattaya go out of business.... I want all Pattaya Mexican places to go under because that opens the space for a new place to set a decent standard here.
Come on Narakmak... this is getting ridiculous.
I respect you may be very fond of Mexican food and your opinion may come from possessing a lot of expertise and experience with it. But that kind of irrational attitude alienates people. One of the biggest complaints against food critiques is when they have absolutely no consideration or care for the sheer investment and energy that's gone into starting a new business. Sure, it might be shit product (to you), but you alienate the community when you're irrationally and unnecessarily cruel towards something that's taken a lot of effort.
As for Sams... why do you want to see it shut? That's such an immature thing for a food critique to say. You can't deny there's a good number of people who enjoy it and even rave about it. Are you so selfish as to deprive them of that? I think Starbucks serves horse piss for coffee but others like it. I accept that.
Worse still, you fail to realise closing these "sub-standard" businesses would do NOTHING to encourage the superior type of restaurant you describe to open. In fact, their presence is an important stepping stone as they create and re-affirm the market for Mexican food there and better open the way for someone to come in and deliver an even better product. That then encourages existing businesses to step up to a higher standard.
Lonely's right. Not all food reviewers are anonymous and follow the same practices you might have done as a top-tier critique...
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No, Sam does not know me. Like I was the first person he ever spoke to about his "style" of food. Again, now it sounds like you deliberately distorted what I said here. Very sleazy. What's your agenda?
No dear, you very specifically said that Sam's served "crap" and was disgusting.
You did say Blue Parrot and Tequilla Reef were last but that CLEARLY insinuates that Sam's would be next on that list of yours as well you said it should be boycotted and shut down. Not in those exact words but damned close.
You also said that Sam was a very freindly man. You said you had discussions with him regarding his food. If this were so, why wouldnt he remember you? I would remember if a raving lunatic came into my restaurant and told me tat my food was crap.
Recently, I spoke to Sam and advised him about this thread and what our dear food critic at large said.
His reply was that some people had already told him about the thread and asked why he did not join and defend himself. His reply was that those that want to attack him or his food, will continue to do so and his trying to defend himself doesnt help. People will come into his restaurant nevertheless and like it or not. He also said that several people have been by to see his food since the thread started specifically mentioning the thread. He did not say what they thought.
I can only say that since this thread has started, I have been back to Sam's and enjoyed it!
1 soi behind Mignon's Restaurant there is a small soi and it is on the corner.
Sam's Mexican and American Grill. Say hello, he is a nice person and a member of our community!
And the food while not 5 star is a great place for a meal!
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Nobody has really raved about his food. Go ahead and try it. Anyone who really knows Mex food or Mex-American food (which is what he claims he serves) will agree it is CRAP. For example, his salsa. A joke.
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IDIOT!!!! LOOK AT THE FIRST POST TO THIS THREAD.
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IDIOT!!!! LOOK AT THE FIRST POST TO THIS THREAD.
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Just you, dear. Never from any other person. I don't count you. You are irrational. You suggest we should give money to businesses just because the owners are gay. Also, you clearly are ignorant about this food. Did you try the salsa? You have ZERO credibility. You won't find one other person to rave about this food. I am sure Sam knows that too. He better than anyone knows the level of food he is serving.
Seriously ask Sam how many people have EVER "raved" about his food to him. The best he can hope for is if asked if the food is "OK" customers say yes to be polite, and to indicate the meat isn't rotten. BTW, his burritos are a joke. A 200 baht burrito should be a meal in itself portion-wise. His are appetizer sized.
BTW, I never trashed Sam's food to Sam's face. I know he knows what he is serving so no point in telling him what he knows. The public doesn't all know it yet, how crappy the food is there. They will either listen to my informed report about it or they can waste their money trying it out for themselves. I can't stop you from burning your money on crap food, so go ahead, knock yourself out.
BTW, I am sorry this is so much about Sams but the OP is about Sams. There isn't even one half decent Mexican place in greater Pattaya, and Sams is just one of a number that are all BAD.
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Listen psychopath....must not be too bad as he has been open for several years now. I am sure there must be "some" returning customers.
Go take a valium! :evil4:
BTW still looking for some of those articles you have written on Escargot and fine dining. :dontknow:
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I doubt he gets many regular local repeats. It's in a heavy tourist area. With food that bad, I reckon most are tourist one offs. Lots of very bad restaurants survive that way. Go ahead, folks, try it yourself. Waiting for that elusive second "rave" from someone with an ounce of credibility/background with Mexican food. In other words, most Brits wouldn't know, sorry. Never claimed to be a fine dining expert, my scene has always been ethnic food.
BTW, even if I WAS a psychopath, it's irrelevant to the quality of the food at Sams. It would still be crap food. Objectively so. Don't believe? "Taste" their salsa.
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... even if I WAS a psychopath, it's irrelevant to the quality of the food at Sams...
Whereas, if you were schizophrenic you'd be in two minds about it.
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