“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc K
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“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc K
Methinks you speak way too soon. A French woman underwent the mandatory 14 day quarantine in Thailand after arriving on October 1. During quarantine she tested negative twice. She and her family then flew to Koh Samui. 3 days after leaving quarantine she came down with a fever. On arrival at hospital she tested positive. According to the authorities 15 local contacts have been traced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old git
This follows the case of an African footballer who plays for a Thai team. He arrived in mid-August, was quarantined and tested negative. On September 11 he tested positive.
Now perhaps those outside Thailand will realise that opening the country back up to tourists is not nearly as simple as they reckon it should be.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...urist-on-samui
"Whilst I agree with most of what you are writing, do you have a link to a source of evidence to support this particular point ?"
If you Google the subject of the human immune system, you will find many medical papers, mostly bogged down with medical jargon.
Put simply, you don't get infected by the first bug that comes along. You have a front line of defences that sees off bugs in small numbers. When the exposure level is too high, your front line is overwhelmed and you get an infection.
However, your front line defences have a capacity to learn, and recognise bugs it has previously seen off. This allows the body to see off much larger invasions when it next encounters that particular bug.
As children we experience many infections and minor encounters with bugs that we see off, building our immune system in the process.
The problem that arises with Covid is it's novelty. Our defences had no prior experience of it. Despite that, most infections are asymptomatic.
Compare that to the experience of the native Americans when they first encountered measles and some other bugs they no prior experience of, brought unintentionally by early travellers. Some 90% died.
The extent to which the body recognises bugs, defends against them - and for how long - varies from bug to bug; however all the early indications suggest that Covid will be an easy one to live with.
Comparing the effect of a new virus on the body's immune system today with the diseases that wiped out most of the Central and South American Indian populations is frankly no comparison! As you point out today our bodies have built up resistance to a large number of fairly common illnesses, partly through vaccinations when we were all babies. The massacre of the Aztecs, Incas and others took place because they had absolutely no resistance to these simple illnesses. It is perfectly clear that covid19 is not a simple illness. You disagree? Tell that to the 1.15 million it has already killed around the world and the others who will die in the coming months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old git
Anyone wanting to get emotional about death statistics should put it in some perspective by comparing the number of deaths v those from TB or road traffic accidents. Both kill more people, yet we have learnt to live with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
Also, just because we don't yet have a fully signed off vaccine, cure or treatment a mere 9 months after the generic sequence was posted on twitter does not disprove Old Git's statement that it's a simple illness to learn to deal with.
From what I'm reading, it took just a few hours to design some of the vaccines. The rest of the time is taken with manufacturing it, testing, testing and more testing.
Compared with something like HIV, that is relatively simple.
"Tell that to the 1.15 million it has already killed around the world and the others who will die in the coming months"
People really need to stop confusing the numbers who died after testing positive to Covid in the month prior to their death with the number killed by the virus.
When people are close to death due to extreme old age, it is very common for their immune systems to collapse, leaving them prey to whichever bug happens to be around. It's usually a very peaceful and dignified end.
The number of people who have lost good years of life as a direct result of this bug is very small.
Quite. I see in the USA the biggest killer, after heart disease and cancer, is actually accidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old git
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm
So anyone who has a positive test and then has an accident goes down as a Covid 19 death...
While for older/very older people that might well be the case, for those aged 20-70 being infected and going on to develop "Long Covid" sadly 'good years of life' being lost as a direct result of this bug may not turn out to be 'very small' compared to lost years from premature death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old git
Many will lose a huge number of 'good years' with the debilitating after effects of covid now classed as Long Covid, where breathing difficulties, fatigue, organ issues, blood clotting issues will affect many who regarded themselves as 'healthy' with no obvious underlying health issues prior to being infected, and many not even being hospitalised and who are only now months into the pandemic realising that the financial cost (healthcare/lost working hours) and human cost, in terms of quality of life may well be the larger issue compared to the loss of life of those in the 80+ age group. These statistics take time to collate as we continue into the pandemic and are only now being able to be assessed.
Precisely, the difference between the use of words, somebody dying of Covid as opposed to dying with Covid. I imagine that small difference is being used to both exaggerate or play down the numbers depending on the country and politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerefan2
The news that Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine is "behaving as desired" continues to offer some hope for the future.
The question of which of a list of co-morbidities actually caused the death is an argument as old as medicine itself. Come on folks is this a forum about clinical science? Can we please just put our naive and half-baked theories to rest and get on with life? Sorry for the repetition but not a one of us has the foggiest notion what is going to happen in 2021 or 2022. But we can hope for the best!
You have evidently failed to realise that many posters are going through the Five Stages of Grief over losing access to their beloved Pattaya and that such posts are clear evidence that the member is “bargaining” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_griefQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc K