Yeah, many of us go to the bars for the guys and the bars force the drag queens on us! :rolling:
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Yeah, many of us go to the bars for the guys and the bars force the drag queens on us! :rolling:
As soon as I walk into a bar and a guy pulls his cock out, I know I'm in Thailand!Quote:
I would try to open a place that would make the vacationer realize that they are in Thailand and on Holiday.
Taking the cafe , which is what most guys are talking about, the trouble is that Craig the owner lives in the uk , is st8 and only visits abouts 2 times a year. When Ian was alive and was in the bar every nite, things were not the same , the thai guys who now visit dave , or nab used to come in after midnite and the place buzzed .
When you say "young crowd born in Thailand" are you talking about normal Thai boys or commercial sex moneyboys?Quote:
Originally Posted by gaymandenmark
The former isn't interested in hanging out with old farangs.
But for the latter, maybe a disco, which gets going a bit earlier in the night (like DJ Station) than existing discos (NAB etc.) would attract the non-gogo moneyboys and become popular enough to liven up the Boyztown scene. Is that what you mean? If it were successful it would probably have a flow-on effect for venues surrounding it in Boyztown.
I think there's already "after hours" clubs the commercial boys go to like NAB but they don't get going until after the gogo bars have finished up, which might be a bit late for some farangs. Having said that, there might be issues getting permits with the right opening hours for a late-night disco (e.g. get started 11am and close around 3-4am) in Boyztown.
That's right, Lonely.Quote:
Originally Posted by lonelywombat
Hey LMTU / let me tell u (AKA devilsadvocate)... Wow, I'm sure Thailand really appreciates a disgusting crusty toilet cock sucking sexpat like you who spends his time pursing the youngest possible boys money can buy in Thailand!
Yeah, I agree... The street life is one thing I love about most of Asia and especially Bangkok. Here in Sydney, the streets might be spacious and clean but they get too sterile and dull. I love the full on hustle and bustle and mess of Asian cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdnmatt
From what you say of your initiatives compared with how the bar sounds now, it sounds like losing you was a greater loss, NOT offest by whatever gain they may have made from the fiasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by kquill
I always avoid them for that precise reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachlover
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You can read alot into that one sentence. Why does it have to be one or the other, why not both? As I alluded to before in earlier posts, Does BT have a business model? If so, what is it? Is that it, "to attract the tourist dollar"? My sense is that the BT model, from both owners and their loyal patrons perspective, is just fine. That the problems are circumstances beyond their control (exchange rate, the economy, airport closures, etc.). If the dollar were at 38 and the pound at 65 again all would be well. I see parallels between this kind of thinking, and BT and the American auto industry of years past. Americans produced big, boring, expensive, gas hogs and saw the import in-roads as a minor nuisance. Well, we all know the story, Americans had choices and took advantage of them, never looked back and rest is history. Lessons learned, when you lose a customer it very difficult to get him back. Gay tourists and the large expat community now have choices too. BT is not the only game in town. And do not underestimate the power of the InterNet (i.e., Gay Romeo). When my Gay friends come to visit they now, they rent condo in JomTien or stay at the Venue, Ganeymeade or Poseidon. There are many places to dine. If they want a drag show, there is the Venue or possibly the Bondi. Then there are visits to the Sunee and Duc's or the Corner Bar. They actually serve a half-way decent, inexpensive burger or Sloppy Joe. The go-go bars have more energy. In short, if you want to have fun and more fun for your money, it is not in BT.Quote:
Originally Posted by lonelywombat
You mean the tourists along with the expats due to the exchange controls and rates have now made themselves aware and woke up and smelt the coffee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Up2U
In those days there was no Dave or NAB, or for that matter XRay or Dude or any of the other gay discos that have come and gone. Granted there was Hollywood but that was very mixed and not liked by many guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by aot87
Get real. Thai boys went to Cafe Royale after hours because there were few places else for them to go, and they could often find someone there to buy them a drink or take them home.
Times have changed and there are less boys around who make their living from selling themselves down in Boyztown. Now they have jobs in Big C or some other shopping center or in any of the several new hotels that have sprung up since the days you talk about. After they finish work they now go onto Gay Romeo or go to a karaoke with their Thai friends.
The advantages of Gay Romeo are obvious: No expensive drinks to buy; the ability to ignore pushy customers they don't like; a wider selection of customers and they can do it all from their laptop or i phone while watching the TV in their rooms.
It is a vicious circle for Le Cafe - less boys means less farang customers and less farang means less available boys in the bar. People have moved on and getting back the days of Ian, Robbie, Mick etc. is pie in the sky ... no matter who the host is or what type of music is now performed in the new Cafe Music bar.
You simply don't know what you are talking about. I've visited or lived in many countries and I have always found younger guys who are interested in hanging out with older guys. Don't take my word for it. Go onto Gayromeo and look for Thai guys who say "I want old man". They are not all money boys. Sure, there are not that many, but to say that "young crowd born in Thailand ... isn't interested in hanging out with old farangs" as a blanket statement is to confirm what we already knew - your ignorance of human nature is profound. Oh and don't come back with that boring, predictable homintern = thonglor55. We all know you're still infatuated with the sight of your legs draped around that old fart's neck, but don't drag the rest of us into your fantasies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachlover