And pay the fine, no? If can't pay the fine it's 100 days
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And pay the fine, no? If can't pay the fine it's 100 days
Right, if you can't pay the fine, you work it off in jail at 200 baht/day, so 100 days. I can pay the fine though, so non-issue.
I'm just a little worried about what's going to happen when I hit that Nong Khai border? Do I get detained and brought before a judge? Or do they just blacklist me there and then, and tell me to fuck off out of Thailand? I'm blind, plus will have two 30kg dogs with me when I hit the border.
That, and I don't want to take the chance of travelling down the highway, because if I hit a checkpoint before I hit the border, then it's a whole new problem. Still haven't heard back from immigration, so who knows.
That, and Leo apparently isn't capable of finding a house in Vientiane. He's adamant that we need to pay 6 or 12 months rent upfront, and he better not do that, or I'll be pissed. Not sure what do about this now. Maybe just get him back to Khon Kaen, get him to the mall and dressed up in a 3 piece business suit, get some business cards printed, and fire him off back to Vientiane. I'm illegal, plus I need to stay here and take care of the dogs, so he needs to figure out how to rent a house on his own
One last hurdle, and we're living a life beyond dreams. Come on honey, pull through for me.
Don't abandon the Titanic just yet mate. It's getting dumber by the day with his last post.
He's about to buy Leo a tuxedo to ensure that Immigration will -- of course! -- open the gates to Lao with big smiles, whispering "Wow, Hi So".
It will get even better ... probably.
[QUOTE=cdnmatt;238379]Really? So what Leo told me is the truth, and he actually needs to be in-person in Bangkok for a criminal background check? How absolutely fucken retarded.
In Canada, you can't even get a job as a taxi driver without a criminal background check, and it's a cery standard procedure thqat takes 5 minutes and about $10. I remember before when I got my farang husband permanent residency status to Canada, it took four criminal background checks -- Canada, Florida, FBI, Hungary. We were able to do all four in Canada without issue.
you're not in Canada any more, Dorothy!
No, my immigration status to Laos is already covered.
It's just Leo seems to be incapable of renting us a house, because he says everyone requires 6 or 12 months rent up front. No, that's one of those travelling 101 things you simply don't do.
I guess he's coming back tomorrow, so now I don't know what the fuck to do. I guess I'll just find a house on the internet myself, even though I don't speak Laos, am not in Vientiane, plus am blind so can't see photos of the place. I'm sure this will work out just splendidly.
Fuck honey, just get a house, even if it's just a vacation rental for a month or two. Just somewhere with a large gated yard where we can put the dogs. How difficult could that possibly be? He has a budget of about 200,000 baht. That should be more than enough to get us a house for a month or two.
http://jclao.com/all-expats-need-to-...ental-in-laos/
Rent Payment:
Unlike in western countries, most landowners in Laos do not expect bond money (a security deposit). Most leases for houses are paid a year in advance and in cash, a few landlords may accept six months in advance. Most apartments accept monthly payments, some however take a security deposit. The longer the rent is paid in advance, the better the chances are to reduce the total rent price or to negotiate for additional furniture or fittings.
Yeah Matt, so you will blacklisted for 10 years in Thailand and Laos, and Leo is only on a Canadian visitor visa so will have to leave Canada.
So, you will end up in different continents shortly.... well, you were never that happy with the relationship so you can finally get rid of him, good thinking!
Mr Giggles ... just FYI: I assume the quite large difference in fee cost between Canada and Oz is that, in my one-time only need for such a criminal record document, is that fingerprints were not needed (don't ask me why) in my case. Thus the rather small fee.
Oh my! The tension is really building, as 'the great escape' nears.
This is one of the better parts of this novel.
Shit, so what he's been telling me is actually correct? I don't care, no, we're not paying 6 or 12 months rent up front. That's one of those basic rules you just don't do, same as you never let others hold your passport. Again, travelling 101.
He has one of those old style bank passport books (didn't know pwople still used those), so I told him to go show the house owner(s) he's been talking to, and prove we have 12 months of rent in cash. Maybe that will help. I'm not willing to pay it up front though. I will pay for 3 months -- 2 months deposit, 1 month rent. From there, then we'll pay rent on a monthly basis.
He says he's coming back tomorrow. If he shows up saying, "hey honey, I got keys to a new house and it only cost me 300,00 baht", I'm going to be livid. As it turns out, if you pay for rent that far in advance, and there ends up being a problem like the roof starts leaking, then the owners may not give a shit because they already have your money.
You don't care that what he's been telling you is actually correct? You might give some thought to what Leo goes through every time he has to explain to a landlord that 6 or 12 months rent pre-payment is not allowed in Matt's version of "Travelling 101".
Or you might give some thought to updating your edition of "Travelling 101" to include the possibility that in some countries there's no way to avoid paying 6 or 12 months rent in advance.
Just a thought.
Yep, I'm empathetic to Leos situation at the moment. Still doesn't change the fact I'm not paying for 6 or 12 months rent up front. That would be stupid.
With respect Matt (and I'm one of the few people here not calling you a liar), the entire situation you've got yourself into is "stupid"
Yeah, I know. Love makes people do stupid things. That's why my family is still angry at me, and Leo's family is angry at him (I think). I didn't go back to Canada upon going blind, and Leo didn't go back to live in his village when his father fell ill. We decided we love each other too much, and stuck it out together.
And it worked, because we're actually on good and firm footing right now. Well, except for this upcoming move which scares the shit out of me for a multitude of reasons. I've never moved blind before, so I'm uncertain how that will affect me. Need to stay strong though, as need to keep the money rolling in.
Oh no, trust is an absolutely non-issue if that's what you're implying. I trust him 100% with my life, and never question his motivations. That's a complete non-issue. Again, he's the one who has taken care of me every single day since I went blind, nobody else. And trust me, that wasn't easy on him either. He's gone well above and beyond what's required to prove himself as a moral individual with high character.
What makes me uncomfortable is, well... he's an idiot without much experience in this world. It would be very easy to take advantage of him, and I'm sure others easily pick up on that, and that's what worries me. I've lived in 8 countries, travelled to about 30 countries, have rented dozens of places, and so on -- I know how this works. He on the other hand, I think this is the first time he's ever rented a place like this in his life. And there's a lot of people out there who are not nice people, so that has me a little worried.
I'm pretty sure my worry doesn't matter in the slightest though. I'm quite confident he's not going to listen to me, and will show up tomorrow afternoon with a new set of keys to some house in Vientiane that cost him 240,000 baht. Hope it's nice, because me and the dogs will be living there for the next year. He knows we need to be out of this house by the 1st, as I already promised the owners we'd be gone. I think this is the third time they've tried getting us out, and they're finally getting their wish. They're coming to Thailand at the end of the month, and want to renovate before Songkran.
Again, love makes you do stupid things. I initially overstayed because I wanted to stay with Kim, as I decided love is the most important thing in life. After we broke up, I already had the dogs who I love like my own kids, plus was comfortable in Khon Kaen, so I just stayed. Then I found Leo in life, and here we are today...
Don't worry, I'm good at things like this. For example, technically I should have never been granted a passport, but I somehow convinced the Canadian government to give me one. I didn't have photo ID, plus used my parents as a guarantor, but I still got a passport. I'll figure out some way to get across that Nong Khai border with myself and my dogs intact.
I have not read through this entire thread but for visitors to Canada, including one involving an invitation from a Canadian common law partner, no criminal record check is asked for (though they will ask him to say that he is not a war criminal ).
For the permanent move it is required, from every country that he has lived in for a certain period of time, I don’t remember how long. If he has been travelling to Thailand for a couple of months at a time visa free perhaps it will not be required of Thailand. Often it is done in the capital, can take a few weeks, and is somewhat complex. But I am not familiar about such things for Thailand or Laos, only for another country.
The other thing that you should know Matt is that your chances of getting a visitors visa is very very low. Your chance of sponsoring him for a permanent move is substantially higher, pretty good if you can establish that you are in a common law relationship.
No, getting him permanent residency status is by no means easier. I know, I was able to get my first husband who was Hungarian approved for PR status. It took about 18 months, 6 inches of documentation, and around $8000.
I know what I'm in for, and am certain I can get him granted a visitor VISA. From there, we'll just see how he takes to Canada. Personally, I would prefer to stay in Asia, but we'll see how he takes to Canadian society and culture, as he's never experienced culture schock before. Who knows, maybe he decides he loves Canada and wants to go to university there, which will come with a whole new set of problems, but nothing that's impossible. Maybe he will find Canada very cold and isolating of a society (my guess), and will want to live in Vientiane and just visit a couple times a year to see my family.
Oh, and no, I won't be able to get him into Canada under common law. I have a much better chance getting him in under medical reasons due to me being blind, and the fact he acts as my eyes in this life. Plus I'm going very far out of my way to go 300% above the minimum requirements of a visitor VISA.
We'll be fine, and I'm not too worried about that. Getting him PR status though requires us to be legally married in Canada, which I'm fine with, but again, all depends on how he takes to Canadian society. That, and Canadian law stipulates we need to reside in Canada for 2 out of every 5 years in order to retain PR status, and I'm uncertain if we'd do that. Personally, I would prefer to stay in Asia, but if he decides on Canada, then I'll think about it.
I wish you luck, but at this point visiting a spouse visa is unlikely as they will want proof that he will leave Canada, and that is hard to establish. If he had visited six similar countries in the past and left in a timely manner, or was a surgeon who had to return to his job in three months, if he owned a million dollars in property and had a business, those are the people that are getting approved to visit their spouse.
Better chances getting a student visa, or a visa to go skiing in the Rockies (with no mention of you), etc. it does not help that he is Laotian. I suspect also that he will find Canada very cold , in more ways than one. Other than Netflix and what is being legalized, the best thing that it has going for it is that it is not south of the border.
Again, don't worry, I'll get him granted a 6 month visitor VISA. I'm not worried about that. When it comes to things like this, I don't fuck around, and go well above and beyond what's required.
Again, I know what I'm in for, and it will be fine. He will be granted a VISA. It'll be a pain in the ass and take quite a bit of work, but that's fine.
From there, we just see how he takes to Canadian society, and take it from there. Personally, I think he'll take it, but we'll see. You can't go out and buy sticky rice on the streets of Canada.
This has to be the most bizarre thread since the beginning of the KK Tales. It's almost as if Matt had one of those electric tennis rackets, not to fry mosquitoes, but to bat away every suggestion, objection, bit of advice coming his way. A truly awesome skill level.
What? No, it's because everyone else is even more pessimistic than me, and I'm quite pessimistic in my old age. I asked about criminal background checks, and KKJason said that yes, he does actually have to go to Bangkok to get fingerprinted and get a background check. That seems utterly retarded to me, but whatever, it is what it is.
He'll be back tomorrow afternoon, and I guess can go to Bangkok in the mnext couple days for that, before we head to Vientiane.
Dare one ask what's happening to the 10 and 12yo boys (or whatever ages they were) - you're not thinking of fleeing the country with them as well are you?
No, we don't have the kids yet. They're in a village 70km from Savannahket. And apparently it's three kids now. Two cousinds that are boys, I think 9 and 11 years old, then Leo's sister has a daughter around 9 years old she doesn't want either. However, the eldest boy has apparently changed his mind, and wants to stay in the village as he doesn't want to leave his friends, which is understandable.
I have no idea what's happening with that anymore. I keep telling Leo we're not taking the kids anymore, but he's 100% adament that we are taking them, and tells me it's not up to me. Then I have to remind him that I'm the one who works every day and magically makes money show up in the bank account, so yes, it is actually up to me.
I don't know, right now I'm just worried about getting to Vientiane into a house with the dogs, while keeping my ass out of a Thai jail cell. We'll worry about the kids later.
I would absolutely love to be a foster parent, but don't really want it anymore. After Leo cheated on me with that farang in Bangkok, I no longer trust him 100%. Well, I do trust him 100%, but it's just different now. That, and we have two totally different mind sets if we take those kids. My mind set is if we take them, we're taking them until they're finished high school at the very least, if not until they're finisyhed university. His mindset is he just wants some kids for a couple years to have friends and play with, and who he can boss around to take care of the house chores. I'm 100% opposed to that.
He tells me it's no problems, and that's just how things work in Laos, and it's a non-issue. I view it as being a self centered dick. If we take the kids, then we have to take them for the right reasons. At the same time, neither of the parents sound like they're too enthusiastic about having their kids and would love to get rid of them, so who knows. Right now, I'm worried about getting to Vientiane safely with my dogs.
What will happen when an NGO finds out that a Western homosexual is living with several boys, some under age?
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Originally Posted by Cdnmatt
Ohhh ... you forgot the kids eh? But that was some time ago right? Just far enough back to keep your fingers crossed that no one will remember.
Hey, I forget it ... but apparently some one this board didn't.
Thus ... a brand new story line: " ... We're Not Taking the Kids Anymore ... ". A Tarantino film coming up.
Matt, you are such a Trumpian style liar. That nasty piece of work just hovering below the Canada border uses exactly the same type of modus operandi that you use. Namely: "Obfuscate, then lie, till the cows come home."
Ummm, nothing? They're kids, I'm not going to hurt them you idiot. Well aside from the occasional flour fight in the kitchen while they're helping me bake cookies, but that's about it. Not to mention, they're Leo's family.
And it's not multiple boys. From what I last heard it's one boy and one girl. I'd prefer all 3 of them so the brothers can stay together, but apparently the eldest boy doesn't want to leave his friends in the village, while the youngest can't wait to get out of there, so not really up to me.
I highly doubt we'll take the kids anyway. Leo's adament that we're taking them, and after he cheated on me in Bangkok, I'm pretty adament we're not taking them. He wants them for the wrong reasons:
- He wants to help, because they're family, and knows we can provide them a far better life than their mothers can.
- He wants friends to play with and loves kids.
- He wants servants to help with the house chores. The dogs are good at ensuring the floor stays dirty, and I'm not willing to lock them outside.
- He wants to continue pushing me forward in life, and knows if I end up with two or three kids I'm responsible for, I'll push myself 10 times harder in the business world than I currently do. He knows what I'm capable of, and also knows I don't push myself to my extent.
- Most importantly, he knows full well if we take those kids, then I can't leave him. If he decides to cheat on me again, then there will be nothing I can really do about it, because I'll have 2 or 3 kids I'm responsible for.
Without question I can take care of them financially, and provide them a far better life than they have now. Then without question Leo would be amazing in the wife role, and ensuring they get to and from school, and things like that. Since going blind I've spent an inordinate amount of time in the kitchen, so I can be the chef of the family and cook excellent dinners every night, no problem. Leo is very health concious and loves sports, so he could take care of that since I'm unable to.
I don't know, doesn't matter right now anyway. Their school year doesn't end until June, so they're staying in the village until at least July. That's if we even take them, but I'm currently opposed to it, although Leo is quite adament that he wants to take them.
No, it means I'm 36. Ask Leo, I'm an old man.
And while I'm at it, honey, would you please fuck off and quit reading the board? I know you're reading this. Let me have my private space.
If you do come back today, we're having spicy pork goulash with steamed rice for dinner. The pork is already defrosting.