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typical selective quote, you missed the most relevant part - "and make sure the moderators understand the rules and the software"
most of this multi-page discussion would not be needed if the moderating rules where clear, the software was setup and the moderators knew how to use it - this is not rocket science!
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All I'd like to see would be for the Admin to let us know that a Moderator will never again burrow into a Member's post(s) and edit it without any notice that a Board guideline had been broken.
This very dangerous event happened recently with a 'Nirish Guy' post . . . wherein "Christian The Moderator" broke into his post simply to edit spelling and grammar. Utter bullshit and should never have happened under proper moderation.
I'm quite surprised that hardly any members felt that this was a blatant misuse of moderator privilege.
It's obvious Christian has no clue what a Mod should be doing, or not doing, on a well-run message board. It's obvious Moses has not talked to his Mods regarding what he expects from them.
Moses ... do you condone this kind of fascist moderator behavior?
Far fetched, but:
Should we amend the rules: Spelling, grammar and punctuation has to follow [name of an authority of English language]?Quote:
2.3 The official language of the Board is English. ... It is incumbent on every member to ensure his posts are intelligible to all members.
I let most typos, grammar and spelling mistakes and wrong punctuation pass, but there a few cases per week that I have to correct. I rather try to keep this low-key and not make a fuss about it, editing is much better than pointing the mistakes out in a reply to the thread.
Maybe you are the only one who feels this way?
Drama queen!
How gracious of you, to let those mistakes pass. Presumably there is supposed to be an "are" in your sentence between "there" and "a".
As English isn't your first language, and in the past it has been necessary to explain English expressions to you, do you really think, just from a technical point of view, that you are the right person to do this editing, which if it should happen at all should be acknowledged within the post itself. This has been the practice of normal moderation of this forum since long before you joined it.
To justify your actions you quote a rule that states only that the language of the board is English and that a post must be intelligible. Does bad spelling make it a foreign language or unintelligible?
We've also existed with spelling mistakes and poor grammar for some time. Sometimes it is(pedantic to avoid the apostrophe truncation)even entertaining, particularly freudian slips. Will you be correcting those too?
Colloquial dialect, will you be correcting that? Phonetic spelling of thai words? Slang?
It is very rare indeed when a post is unintelligible. There are several types of common mistakes in spelling and grammar that can be observed but these do not obscure the meaning of the posts. I suggest that moderators do not edit posts. It does not encourage a congenial atmosphere.
To Christian, it's simple: just stay the fuck out of Member's posts unless the post is obviously in violation of the guidelines.
To Moses: I'd still like the know what you think about this. Oddly quiet you are.
As you can see, the little prick has done it again. Just because he can. He's just playing with Members because he's been granted the power to do so.
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Last edited by christianpfc; October 30th, 2017 at 00:40. Reason: spelling priviledge->privilege, miss-use->misuse
Holy shit, we have a German gammar Nazi as a moderator now?
I'm certain this was a good idea (sarcasm).
I think: 3 moderators from 3 different countries and from 3 different cultures are at first month of moderation and are learning how to moderate. We will discuss that case at forum for moderators.
I want to remind: public discussion of cases of moderation is against forum's rules, please use PM to me.
"Correct a wise man and he will appreciate you, correct a fool and he will hate you."
(Konfuzius?)
(Confucius). True enough Christian but one needs to keep in mind that some people are not interested in being corrected. They are either quite comfortable with their lives as they now choose to lead them, or have faced too many corrections in the past. My suggestion is not to do any correcting unless the writing is unintelligible, and in that case send a PM to ask the meaning.
I'll try one more time to get it through your incredibly thick head Christian.
The issue is NOT about correcting spelling or grammar (I personally don't give a tinkers damn whether I spell a word incorrectly or screw up the kings english).
The issue is about you intruding into a Member's post and editing 'stuff' where there is absolutely no violation of the Guidelines. Doing that is not your job as a Moderator and never has been.
If you can't see the difference between those two very different issues then I suggest you resign as a Moderator.
And you can leave the childish platitudes in the playground.
Wow, I actually just liked one of Smiles' posts. What's the world coming too?
Christian, is most post gramatically correct enough to pass, or do you need to jump in, and edit it?
I think I spelled "gramatically" incorrectly, so it might need an edit.
even me, with my poor English, understand difference btw "moderation case" and "moderation policy"... is it that hard for you to understand difference?
well, I will try to explain:
- "why he is banned?", "why I got infraction?", "why that post been deleted?" - moderation cases, they should be discussed only in PM with moderator or with me
- "should we allow to post nude pics?", "should be posts what have no connection to Thailand moved to another corresponding forum?" - that is policy, and may be discussed in https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/forum...To-forum-s-FAQ
Oh dear, A447 is at it as well now. Jumping in to "correct" member's posts that need no correcting.
I quoted this and added the comment that Christian was going to be very busy with his spelling corrections.
Enter a447 to edit my quote of his post so that the correct spelling been appears in my quote, making a nonsense of my comment.
"Last edited by a447; October 30th, 2017 at 10:00."
However he doesn't think to correct his own post above that still contains the be not the been!
Well not yet, wonder if there will soon be an edit on the original post #14. So glad that the moderators have found something really useful to do with their new edit powers!
http://https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?19090-What-do-u-think-of-this-forum&p=228049#post228049
WTF are you on about??
Far be it for me to make a nonsense of your comment. I mean, as if I'd ever do that! Lol
You don't need my help - you do that all the time all by yourself.
You mean you wrote that whole post about "be" instead of "been?"
Ever heard of predictive text?
(Nothing much happening where you are, eh?)
What I'm saying is you might pay the server bill, but whether you like it or not, this forum belongs to us SGT members, not you. We're allowed to debate board policy in a public and open format if we want to. Sorry, but not up to you, Moses.
Again, technically speaking you could lock down the board if you wanted, because afterall, it is your server. That would be a very stupid thing to do though, becuase you would kill the board.
If us as a SGT membership want to publicly debate forum policy, then let us. If and when it happens, we'll be doing it to help you, and the forum as a whole. Don't hamper the process, because if you do so, you can kiss your advertising revenue goodbye.
I agree a447, only two tiny letters, so why did you need to go in and edit my post, which was accurately quoting you, until you edited it? Your editing had nothing to do with predictive text.
"Last edited by a447; October 30th, 2017 at 10:00."
I really hope this is all just a practical joke, and not the new SGT.
a447 just edited Brad's post? I couldn't think of a more upstanding member than Brad, so that's quite discerning.
Dreams... dreams. My house - my rules. Point.
Sure and I even pointed where it can be discussed - at this subforum (where we are now)Quote:
We're allowed to debate board policy in a public and open format if we want to.
Again: dreams... dreams. It is private property, you know?Quote:
Sorry, but not up to you, Moses.
First you should find here any advertising from which I can get revenue before to get such conclusions... Ehh?Quote:
you can kiss your advertising revenue goodbye.
Once again specially for you, who again pretend not see difference btw "case" and "policy":
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everyone can discuss moderation policy at this forum, moderation cases should be discussed in PM...
Someone has obviously not only doused Moses, Len, and the sidekicks in water but shone some bright light on them and fed them after midnight.
Look what they've turned into.
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What I'm saying is you might pay the server bill, but whether you like it or not, this forum belongs to us SGT members, not you.
Matt, are you well? The Forum belongs to the board owner. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous. We are allowed to participate in the Forum. That is the extent of our ownership.
Without a membership, there is no board, correct? That's my point.
arsenal? No problem with him, and I'm sure he'll make a great mod.
Christian? Not sure, and on the fence? At the very least will be strict and non-judgemental, so good qualities there. However, I think Moses needs to go out of his way to ensure Christian understands his role. He doesn't need to be editing posts for spelling or grammar errors.
a447? That was an absolutely horrible idea, as he's one of the biggest pieces of shit this forum offers. He just recently went and edited one of Brad's posts, so point proven right there.
You're right though, Moses doesn't need to listen to us. If he likes his ad revenue though, then I would suggest he does.
It's not a matter of who needs who more than the other.
On the one hand Moses can do whatever the fuck he wants, aided by SGT's resident dance band, Len and the Sidekicks
On the other hand the members are not held captive here, and can leave anytime.
Sorry. I was editing what I saw as my own post. We are allowed to do that. But I neglected to edit the OP, where "be" was typed instead of "been". (predictive text)
And I thought the "mistake" you were referring to was the word "laid". Which I left as is, btw.
It wasn't a moderation issue. If it were, I would have told you that you can not discuss it.
So Moses ... have you, or have you not, instructed your Moderators that there will be no more intruding into a Members post(s) and editing the post for any reason whatsoever, except where the post is obviously in violation of the board's guidelines.
Its a simple question Moses, really simple.
I don't want you, a447, Arsenal, or Christian screwing around inside my posts (except for guideline violation).
You wouldnt like it, your Mods probably wouldnt like it, and I'm dead sure most regular Members wouldn't like it.
And if you dont remember how all this got started, here's that Nirish Guy post for you to read again. I thought he was right on the money.
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Quote Originally Posted by Nirish guy View Post
[edited for spelling and grammar on 22sep2017 by ChristianPFC]
To hell with your edited for spelling and Grammar Christian ! You Anal TWAT ! Who the fuck do you think YOU are. This is an internet message board not a university class you dick. Here's three words you can correct away at.......Fuck Go and yourself !!
Are you serious? That was your response to Smiles' very simple and respectful question?
If this is how you're going to act, then say goodbye to your forum, along with your ad revenue.
You do know that Smiles was previously in your position, and owned this board, right? Just a guess here, but it might be beneficial to listen to him.
Moses, you have myself, Smiles, bobsaigon, Brad the Implala, and more all telling you you're taking this forum down the wrong path. Why are you not listening?
If you're that tired of being board owner, then give it to me. I'll send you $3000 USD right now via bitcoin in exchange for you transferring the domain, and providing me root access.
No, I don't see at all actually. I remember back when I could see, you had this place plastered with ads, not to mention were constantly promoting your tour guide service.
Again, if you're tired of taking care of this forum, then understandable, and offer remains on the table. I can have you $3000 USD within the hour if you want.
Matt, to clarify, I did not tell Moses that he is taking this forum down the wrong path. The path, that is the posting guidelines, was already in place when Moses took over.
What Moses has done is to appoint moderators to attempt to prevent the posting of objectionable content. I see nothing wrong with that. I made the observation that this is a difficult task since present guidelines allow so much latitude.
Good natured, congenial bantering is welcomed by all. The unwelcome posts are those that are monumentally offensive or personally abusive. It is these posts that I hope can become unacceptable under revised posting guidelines.
I am sure owner/moderators would welcome your suggestions in this regard.
As far as I'm aware, each mod lives in a different time zone - a447 in Australia, christian in Thailand and arsenal in the UK.
Surely between the 3 of you it should be possible to monitor the board.
The only editing so far has been in relation to the violation of board guidelines, apart from:
A) my editing of my own post - and the negative consequences that caused, for which I have apologised, and
B) Christian editing out members' spelling and grammar.
I agree 100% that any editing should be done strictly in accordance with the published guidelines.
What seems to be lost in this discussion about moderation is that only a couple of people now are causing trouble - and they have been dealt with in accordance with the Guidelines and Rules. It's the same people who are posting the "objectionable content" referred to by Bob, apart from one member who had a bit of a brain fade and I deleted his post. He agreed that he had slipped up and has since apologised.
For years the board seems to have operated without moderators and we saw what happened. We were slowly but surely having down the path to the Bitchboard. Moses has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of that and so asked three members to moderate.
But we need to tread carefully and not rush into issuing sanctions when the rules are so open to interpretation.
So yes, suggestions would be welcome.
And Joe, we are monitoring the board. As far as I can determine, objectionable posts have been dealt with swiftly.
This might bring down the dogs of war, but here goes. Take Tom Daley for example. I found him attractive when he was 16. I still think he's a good looking guy.
Sorry to be repetitious, but I agree, there should be no language editing by moderators. If a post is unintelligible, moderator can PM the poster to find out if he wants to clarify his post. Faulty grammar or spelling should not give moderators cause to intervene. Whether or not a post is objectionable and deserves deletion is an entirely different matter.