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Re: WTF in Jomtien Complex
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Originally Posted by
samebb
No that wasn't the case.
I can tell you the names of everyone staying in the 3 rooms at cocka2 bar for the last 3 months. I just got home from there!!
There are NOOOOOOO cambodian freelancanlers at Cocka2 Bar.
I am there most nights. Come ask, WHERE IS SAM
I will put you in your place. Or the thai boys will when you call them Cambodian. UP TO YOU FOOL!
See you soon at cocka2 :)
Might be best if you just stay away. Just don't identify yourself to me. Good luck.
I have no idea what you are talking about. For the purpose of providing information to readers here, i have bought drinks for 2 different boys at the bar, both identifying as Cambodian. I went upstairs to a room with one of them. The room had some mats on the floor, and one raised bed. The toilet and shower were in separate cubicles.
Perhaps I was in a bar next to Cocka2 and the bar sign was misplaced.
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Originally Posted by
Newbie99
Perhaps I was in a bar next to Cocka2 and the bar sign was misplaced.
I have had the same problem with bars in Jomtien.
The signs appear on the walls midway between two bars and its often very difficult to work out which bar they refer to.
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Originally Posted by
samebb
See you soon at cocka2 :)
Will you two be selling tickets and naming the date? Very belligerent.
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Welcome back samebb, and I hope your future posts remain as interesting and civilized as this one.
But as the following post shows, a leopard can't change his spots.
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Originally Posted by
samebb
You are right in saying the employed boys have little interest in ST. Not worth it for them. Most of these Thai guys are a little older and already have 1 or more "financier".
"little interest in ST"
(not meaning that they are looking for LT, rather meaning that they are not interested in going with customers)
That crap (non-offable boys) that has driven me away from Soi Twilight has spread to Pattaya?
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Originally Posted by
samebb
No that wasn't the case.
I can tell you the names of everyone staying in the 3 rooms at cocka2 bar for the last 3 months. I just got home from there!!
There are NOOOOOOO cambodian freelancanlers at Cocka2 Bar.
I am there most nights. Come ask, WHERE IS SAM
I will put you in your place. Or the thai boys will when you call them Cambodian. UP TO YOU FOOL!
See you soon at cocka2 :)
Might be best if you just stay away. Just don't identify yourself to me. Good luck.
Seems like we have the OLD "samebb" back.
Why do you need to take a good Thread down by trashing another member??
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christianpfc
Welcome back samebb, and I hope your future posts remain as interesting and civilized as this one.
But as the following post shows, a leopard can't change his spots.
"little interest in ST"
(not meaning that they are looking for LT, rather meaning that they are not interested in going with customers)
That crap (non-offable boys) that has driven me away from Soi Twilight has spread to Pattaya?
Meaning, they are not interested in going with customers, or in some cases just not interested in "you". No bar in Jomtien pressures boys to go with customers they don't want to go with.
While it may be different for some of the poor Cambodian boys who will go with you for 1000b ST because they NEED the money, and then be a complete dud as they are very straight, a lot of the Thai's in Pattaya don't need 1000b badly enough to endure sex with people they are often repulsed by, with the added risk of sexually transmitted infections, violent farang, farangs refusing to use protection, ect.
Also, what might not be the case in BoyzTown and Sunnee, can be the case in Jomtien Complex. While many of the boys in Jomtien Complex are available, a good number are not, and probably never will be. They often go there to just drink with friends and are already supported by a farang boyfriend.
I think there are some misconceptions. Jomtien Complex isn't another BoyzTown. It would be better to compare it to Silom Soi 4 in Bangkok. A mixture of gay bars and restaurants where SOME of the boys are available if they are interested in going with a customer, but some of the gay bars are just that, bars. The boys are staff.
Times are changing... so yes that "crap" has spread, and will continue to do so in my belief.
It's no secret that the hottest gay boys in Bangkok and Pattaya are already "taken" and will likely never see the inside of a gogo/host bar again. They are the ones in the nightclubs that will pay 0 attention to you.
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Originally Posted by
samebb
Times are changing... so yes that "crap" has spread, and will continue to do so in my belief.
It's no secret that the hottest gay boys in Bangkok and Pattaya are already "taken" and will likely never see the inside of a gogo/host bar again. They are the ones in the nightclubs that will pay 0 attention to you.
Like you I think also the hottest ones have a farang boyfriend who sends them every month some money. I dont think however they don’t need more money. The money the farang sends will be to help pay for room plus a bit extra. I don’t think most farang send every month like 20.000 baht.
But indeed it gives the hottest ones more freedom to decline certain farang they don’t like.
However if it becomes a trend in these bars that they have more and more non offable boys (never experienced this myself by the way, so I was a bit surprised to read this; I do experience however boys in the apps who are not interested) it will go down. Most gay farang still come to Thailand to off boys. It will not be good business for the bars if this trend that is detected continues.
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I wonder how many of these boys are financially supported to the extent that they don't need to work anymore. I'm sure there would be some, but we would never get to see them unless we went to the clubs or saunas. I doubt most would be hanging out in the gay ghettos if they didn't need the money. Although no doubt some are just hanging out with their friends in the bars.
Others who receive a smaller amount - a number of guys have told me they get 15,000 baht per month - would have to work to have a decent standard of living, unless they have a number of such supporters on the end of the string.
These guys are all young and love to party with their friends (no surprise there), so a short time session with a farang is a quick and relatively easy way to pay for a fun night out.
I think those sort of guys will always be around.
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Originally Posted by
AsDaRa
Like you I think also the hottest ones have a farang boyfriend who sends them every month some money. I dont think however they don’t need more money. The money the farang sends will be to help pay for room plus a bit extra. I don’t think most farang send every month like 20.000 baht.
But indeed it gives the hottest ones more freedom to decline certain farang they don’t like.
However if it becomes a trend in these bars that they have more and more non offable boys (never experienced this myself by the way, so I was a bit surprised to read this; I do experience however boys in the apps who are not interested) it will go down. Most gay farang still come to Thailand to off boys. It will not be good business for the bars if this trend that is detected continues.
I don't think there is any rules on how much money men send their boys back in Thailand. I know some of the Chineese customers are VERY generous, maybe overly. New cars, ect.
While you are right that many gay farang may come to Thailand to sleep with prostitutes, it is worth keeping in mind there is a large gay expat community in Pattaya/Jomtien. This is think is what makes it different from say, BoyzTown. These are the people who keep these bars open and in business being around perminently. I know a lot of gay expats who frequent Jomtien Complex. Many are married and live with their partners. Others have a long term boyfriend, probably initially a bar bar, but now a "kept boy". Most of the really attractive guys in Jomtien Complex are snapped up pretty quickly by expats. While you may see them around the complex with their farang, they don't actually work there anymore.
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Originally Posted by
a447
I wonder how many of these boys are financially supported to the extent that they don't need to work anymore. I'm sure there would be some, but we would never get to see them unless we went to the clubs or saunas. I doubt most would be hanging out in the gay ghettos if they didn't need the money. Although no doubt some are just hanging out with their friends in the bars.
Others who receive a smaller amount - a number of guys have told me they get 15,000 baht per month - would have to work to have a decent standard of living, unless they have a number of such supporters on the end of the string.
These guys are all young and love to party with their friends (no surprise there), so a short time session with a farang is a quick and relatively easy way to pay for a fun night out.
I think those sort of guys will always be around.
You would be suprised just how many are supported by either an expat or regular visitor. Lots of the complex boys actually live in very nice condos, for free. Courtosy of their farang. As for hanging out in the "ghettos", you are right... they don't.
Sometimes boys who no longer work at a bar will go there for drinks with friends who still DO work there, but that's only till closing time. They all run off to the issan clubs or walking street after that.
But I do agree, there will always be guys around who need a little extra cash for their friends birthday part, or a group trip to NAB. They never stop partying in Pattaya...
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Thank you, samebb, for some more interesting insights.
In hindsight I figured out that several of the boys I had had sex with for money were "parked" in Bangkok or Pattaya while visa for Europe or America was processing. So having a Farang boyfriend, who supports the boy financially and arranges for him to come to Europe or America, is no hindrance for a quicky for some extra cash. (Says a lot about the character of the boys to which this applies.)
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The word comes to mind.
"Sugar Daddy"
A wealthy, middle-aged man who spends freely on a young woman/man in return for her/his companionship or intimacy.
:p
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Originally Posted by
Blacktouch
The word comes to mind.
"Sugar Daddy"
A wealthy, middle-aged man who spends freely on a young woman/man in return for her/his companionship or intimacy.
:p
Which I understand if you are an expat and have him available for you every day. I would do the same if I was an expat and had money to spare.
But I don’t understand farang who travel 3 times every year to Thailand for a short holiday and outside that period faithfully send every month like 15.000 baht to their boyfriend.
Knowing fulll well he isn’t faithful to you and that all his other farang customers can enjoy him for much cheaper. Only the 1000 baht short time prize. That farang however spends a fortune a year to enjoy his boyfriend a few times a year. For expats I totally understand.
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I wonder what those farang think they are getting in return for their monthly payments.
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Originally Posted by
christianpfc
So having a Farang boyfriend, who supports the boy financially and arranges for him to come to Europe or America, is no hindrance for a quicky for some extra cash. (Says a lot about the character of the boys to which this applies.)
I do not judge their "character" too closely and am very happy for any Thai boy who has found a generous farang who gives him the opportunity to travel overseas which he could otherwise never afford himself. I had a paid date recently with a Jomtiem Complex boy that i know has at least two farang sponsors and travels overseas regularly to stay with them. Besides sending money home to his family, the Thai boy is also very generous with his other less fortunate Thai friends and pays for a considerable amount of the cost of their activities and food from the money that the farangs send him. He still needs some extra income ocassionally so being a popular boy he knows how to earn some baht quickly.
Besides the extra income from hooking up with farangs i doubt very much if a horny Thai guy is going to be celibate while waiting for his farang to return to Thailand for a holiday or for the visa approval to move overseas to live with the farang.
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Originally Posted by
a447
I wonder what those farang think they are getting in return for their monthly payments.
The thought of a boy back in Thailand sitting waiting for them to visit again?
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Originally Posted by
AsDaRa
Which I understand if you are an expat and have him available for you every day. I would do the same if I was an expat and had money to spare.
But I don’t understand farang who travel 3 times every year to Thailand for a short holiday and outside that period faithfully send every month like 15.000 baht to their boyfriend.
Knowing fulll well he isn’t faithful to you and that all his other farang customers can enjoy him for much cheaper. Only the 1000 baht short time prize. That farang however spends a fortune a year to enjoy his boyfriend a few times a year. For expats I totally understand.
I think they call it Love?
Or what else could it be?
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Originally Posted by
AsDaRa
Which I understand if you are an expat and have him available for you every day. I would do the same if I was an expat and had money to spare.
But I don’t understand farang who travel 3 times every year to Thailand for a short holiday and outside that period faithfully send every month like 15.000 baht to their boyfriend.
Knowing fulll well he isn’t faithful to you and that all his other farang customers can enjoy him for much cheaper. Only the 1000 baht short time prize. That farang however spends a fortune a year to enjoy his boyfriend a few times a year. For expats I totally understand.
The question is, when the farang arrives in Thailand, does he get sex without paying for it while here, or does he still have to pay the boy money?
Going for meals, yes, I understand. But sex?
Good point!
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Originally Posted by
Blacktouch
The question is, when the farang arrives in Thailand, does he get sex without paying for it while here, or does he still have to pay the boy money?
Good point!
Oh yes, he pays all right...
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Originally Posted by
Blacktouch
The thought of a boy back in Thailand sitting waiting for them to visit again?
Surely they are not that stupid.
If they are, well then it's really sad. But I guess it's their money so up to them.
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Originally Posted by
a447
Surely they are not that stupid.
If they are, well then it's really sad. But I guess it's their money so up to them.
So anybody who has been in or is in this situation, maybe they can highlight us on what they get from this?
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They get to use the phrase "my boyfriend" The illusion works for some I suppose.
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Looks to me - reading this thread - most forum members do not support financially a Thai boy.
So maybe I must adjust my expectation that most nice boys in Pattaya are supported by a Farang. It appears to be less than I expected. Or the forum members are not a representative sample of the Farang visiting Thailand.
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Time is a great teacher, as they say.
I'm certain I've been "had" a number of times over the years, especially when I first started visiting. Back in the early 2000's I was tipping 3000 baht for short time. It's what the boy asked for and so I paid it, thinking it was the going rate. No wonder he would rush up to me every night with a "So happy to see you!". I bet he was! LOL
But I don't consider that to be a scam. He was just trying his luck with a newbie. It was partly my fault because I told him it was my first visit and I guess he took advantage of that. The situation continued over a number of visits.
But no harm done. Good luck to him. I may have tried it on, too, if I were in his position. Capitalism at work.
I've also found that some boys lie to their friends (fancy that!) regarding the sending of money by farang. Perhaps it raises their status in the bar; who knows?
One of my regulars in Pattaya told me that another guy I saw on a regular basis (I'll call him B) said I was sending him 15000 baht every month. Of course, I wasn't. So not wanting B to lose face I just said he must have confused me with another customer and made it very clear that noone would be getting a single baht from me once I'd gone home - emergencies excepted.
I expect people to work for their money; noone has ever just handed out money to me without getting something in return. You hand out money once, word spreads quickly and suddenly you find yourself inundated with requests. Everybody suddenly has a sick mother or a family member who has had some kind of accident.
If you make your intentions clear from the start - I can be generous when I feel like it, but don't treat me like a charity - you won't have any problems.
Obviously, others think differently and are willing to send money on a regular basis.
It's their money and they can spend it however they want.
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For a practice (sending regular sums to Thai boys) which several members have declared is "up to you", the same members just can't resist passing judgement on it eh?
My own take on this is that what other people want to do with their own money is entirely a matter for them and nothing for me to pontificate on. If sending 1500B or 15000B or even 150,000B a month to a particular Thai boy is affordable to a farang and something they want to do as a way of helping someone (as they'll undoubtedly see it) - then who am I to criticise that or even make snide remarks about the nature of the relationship between the Thai boy and his sponsor?
If, on the other hand, an elderly guy (say in his mid 70's) wishes his whole life to revolve around paying a different prostitute for sex every night (and sometimes right after a cheap lunch) then that's just dandy as well - but don't try to pass it off as a virtue or something that decent people should aspire to.
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and sometimes right after a cheap lunch
Sex right after eating? No thanks!
Before eating is fine. Plus the occasional post-coital ciggie.
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I've yet to hear one case where the lonely farang sending monthly cheques to his 'boyfriend' successfully stood the test of time. Still, it's his money and he can send it to whoever he wants to. But when the money stops so does the 'love'.
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Originally Posted by
arsenal
I've yet to hear one case where the lonely farang sending monthly cheques to his 'boyfriend' successfully stood the test of time. Still, it's his money and he can send it to whoever he wants to. But when the money stops so does the 'love'.
You are being judgemental, arsenal. What makes you think the farang is lonely?
Personal experience or what?
My relationship with my Thai bf has extended over 18 years during which time I did support him when I was not in Thailand. As time went on my visits to Thailand became longer and longer or more frequent until I now live here full. time.
You and the other butterflies can lead your life as you please but don't be so judgemental as to how others wish to lead their lives.
Furthermore in regards to this statement from a poster:
Surely they are not that stupid.
If they are, well then it's really sad. But I guess it's their money so up to them.
Please save your pity for someone else that needs it.
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First meatloaf and now Asian 'boyfriends'. Any other subjects you want to curtail Francois? These relationships are not partnerships of equals.
And on a personal level it does seem that having an Asian 'boyfriend' does make one more prone to tetchiness.
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francois
Furthermore in regards to this statement from a poster:
Surely they are not that stupid.
If they are, well then it's really sad. But I guess it's their money so up to them.
Please save your pity for someone else that needs it.
I'm not offering my "pity" to anyone here.
You've been around Thailand longer than me. If I, as a visitor, have heard horror stories first hand and have watched numerous documentaries aired this year in Australia, then you would know about these people, too. They do actually exist, you know.
Anyone who allows himself to be sweet-talked into believing a total stranger in a foreign land loves him unconditionally and so decided to send him money each month is, imho, stupid.
This came out time and time again in the documentary series when the guys, (none of whom could be considered old), who had bad experiences said basically the same thing : I believed her when she told me she loved me. She was fucking around while I was away. I was stupid." They only listened to their dicks.
That's straight from the horses' mouths. Somehow I think they'd know.
They were stupid also for not doing their research before entering into a relationship which involved monetary support of the partner - just as I was stupid for nor researching the going rate for tips in Thailand and found myself paying three times the going rate.
Others - and these are the guys I reserve my pity for - are lonely old guys desperate for love and seeking companionship in their old age. They are unable to think rationally and rush into things. (A bit like those people who are ripped off by Nigerian scammers offering lonely people their "love" - at a hefty price.) They are emotionally vulnerable and unwittingly allow unscrupulous people to take advantage of them. They are ones who should be pitied.
I have never suggested that you, francois, (or any other board member for that matter) are any of those people above.
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Well said a447.
So true what you said.
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Originally Posted by
scottish-guy
If, on the other hand, an elderly guy (say in his mid 70's) wishes his whole life to revolve around paying a different prostitute for sex every night (and sometimes right after a cheap lunch) then that's just dandy as well - but don't try to pass it off as a virtue or something that decent people should aspire to.
SG, you seem to be saying that a decent person would not hire a different boy every night for sex. Or did I mis-read you?
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No Bob, you didn't mis-read me at all
Decent : Conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behaviour. Source: OED
So, I suspect a man in his mid-70's paying a different prostitute each night for sex (each one being "young enough to be his grandchild" as Frequent would say) and behaving in that way over prolonged periods (rather than just going a bit mad on holiday) would hardly qualify as "decent" behaviour in most people's opinion.
"Predatory" maybe - but "decent"? I fear not.
Of course it's probably perfectly acceptable within a community of dissolute reprobates and raddled old queens - I couldn't possibly comment!
:D
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We were all 30 once although it's considerably further back for many here than it is for me. Cast you mind back to that age. How many men in their late retirement years did you meet and think.
'Yea, I really fancy him. He's so handsome.' Exactly...none. So it folows there must be another reason why the Asian 'boyfriend' hangs around. It starts with m and ends with y.
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Well, that may of course be your experience (I suspect it is) - but I can cast my mind back to when I was a teenager and my occasional frustration and dismay when other teenagers I had my eye on went off with guys in their 40s and 50s and where there was absolutely no money involved.
Not "late retirement age" I'll grant you but then 'some' here are not only closer to retirement age than I am but are about 90% of the way through it - and despite having one ball in the grave it seems they still haven't managed to find anybody (in their right mind) who can stick them for any longer than it takes for a short-time.
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Originally Posted by
arsenal
So it folows there must be another reason why the Asian 'boyfriend' hangs around. It starts with m and ends with y.
I know that Manuka honey is very popular these days, but I had no idea that it was that popular!
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snotface
My Way was my favourite Bangkok bar for years in the '90s. While other bars were becoming interchangeable in appearance, it had its own unique, rather cosy atmosphere - wooden Thai seating, Burmese tapestries, pole-dancing gogo boys. I went there often especially after I became very attached to one of the boys. The bespectacled Thai (Thai-Chinese?) owner always sat impassively behind the bar entering every drink and off into a ledger. I'd get the faintest of smiles from him in response to my nod on entering. He seemed almost like a non-person to me, though the boys seemed to respect him. I recall the boy I liked telling me with an incredulous look one time that he had received a 50 baht New Year's gift from the owner - not sure if that was because of the stinginess of the amount or its existence at all.
The other source of discipline in the bar back then was Charlie, the overweight mamasan. I'd go through an elaborate charade of being friendly with him, though he was one dodgy-looking geezer and I wouldn't have trusted him with a bucket of water if my knickers were on fire. The boys were expected to service him. I recall my boy telling me with a big smile that it was like fucking a fat pig (well, he was from a farming family). The last time I saw Charlie, after an interval of two or three years, he looked almost unrecognisably gaunt and sick and I believe he died of Aids. The bar did indeed go rapidly downhill in its last years and it came as no surprise when I found it had closed permanently.
Back in the 80's My Way was famous - perhaps the best known bar in Bangkok. The pole dancers were well trained and fantastic gymnasts.
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A 50B bonus in the 1990's might not have been that bad - I recall being in the original Screw Boy bar at shutting time in the early 2000's and the boss (Porn) was doling out the nights wages to the gogo boys who had been 'working' since about 7 or 8pm.
I can't remember the exact amount each received but it was well under 100B per boy
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I believe Manuka honey is Thai ryming slang. As in "My 'boyfriend' is foolish enough to send me lots of Manuka honey every month. Hahaha."
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Originally Posted by
scottish-guy
So, I suspect a man in his mid-70's paying a different prostitute each night for sex (each one being "young enough to be his grandchild" as Frequent would say) and behaving in that way over prolonged periods (rather than just going a bit mad on holiday) would hardly qualify as "decent" behaviour in most people's opinion.
"Predatory" maybe - but "decent"? I fear not. :D
What are you objecting to -- the age disparity or the frequency of the sexual encounters? Do you also disapprove if the farangs are in their mid-40's or mid-50's ? Would they also fail to qualify as "decent" ?
Also, "predatory" does not seem to be an appropriate word when discussing commercial sex .