Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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bkkguy
your linked article answers part of the question - HPV vaccines don't protect against all of the 100-plus types of HPV but are nearly 100% effective in preventing disease caused by high-risk strains of HPV -- HPV 16 and 18 which account for 70% of all cervical cancers, as well as many cancers of the vagina and vulva!
Of the vagina, the vulva, the anus, the penis. And the "dangerous" strains can cause cervical cancer, anal warts, anal cancer and, less frequently, penile warts and penile cancer.
And yes Gardasil is highly efficacious. For the life of me I don't know why every teenage girl and teenage boy is not vaccinated! For a time our university offered the shots (3 over 6 months) for free! I assumed I'd see students lining up around the block, but I was shocked to see that our student body greeted the offer with a ho-hum. It's a mystery to me why.
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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goji
We also don't have a vaccine for the common cold.
To expect a vaccine for every virus, is rather like demanding we put a man on the sun and every other damn planet or sun in the solar system, just because we once put a man on the moon.
If, despite years of research, we still don't have a vaccine for the common cold, what are the chances that we will magically come up with a vaccine for covid19? It seems like a case of wishful thinking.
I think a treatment of some kind is the best we can hope for.
PS: great analogy, goji!
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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" ... I'm not a virologist but not sure this is quite accurate ... "
I guess I'll get stomped on, but shirley to christ there must be some members here who would rather talk about "all things Thai (and viral)" ... in The Sawatdee Gay Thailand Forum. The OP makes not a skerrick of Thai-ness. (Though the sentence " ... the vagina, the vulva, the anus, the penis ..." did manage to get it's head up.)
A discussion it is ~ and a decently good one ~ but in the Everything Else Forum it should be.
Stomp away sweet cakes ...
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
The Everything Else Forum is just a dumping ground for topics that the others like to file, what they consider, useless info. It should be done away with.
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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" ... The Everything Else Forum is just a dumping ground for topics ... "
Wrongo my man. The Everything Forum is a legit forum which was well used up until a few years ago when this message board had far away many more working members who posted regularly. Now I could count on my 10 fingers dudes who could be counted as regulars.
The Holding Room Forum is the board's Gulag. Or Devil's Island, just for you.
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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Originally Posted by
Marc K
And yes Gardasil is highly efficacious. For the life of me I don't know why every teenage girl and teenage boy is not vaccinated!
In the UK, the NHS currently offers the Gardasil vaccine for both teenage boys & girls, plus men under 45 who have sex with men.
People outside this age range could get the vaccine at private providers.
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It's offered to high school kids in Australia, too.
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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sglad
And unless you have a special crystal ball for reading people's minds, you don't know what other people "consider" "useless" or important information and shouldn't speak for them.
I have no crystal ball, sglad, but just about everything in the Everything Else Forum could just as easy been left in the general forum.
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
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Originally Posted by
a447
If, despite years of research, we still don't have a vaccine for the common cold, what are the chances that we will magically come up with a vaccine for covid19? It seems like a case of wishful thinking.
I think a treatment of some kind is the best we can hope for.
The point I was trying to make is we should not extrapolate findings and expectations from one family of viruses to another.
The "experts" seem to think it WILL be possible to find and approve a vaccine for the Chinese coronavirus. Maybe next year, maybe later.
However, no one should use that as a basis to complain that there isn't a HIV vaccine, as HIV a completely different family of viruses, prone to all sorts of mutations & much more difficult to deal with.
e.g. They still don't have a vaccine for the common cold, which is another virus family (Rhinovirus).
Treatment is something that isn't discussed as much as I would like.
The UK government has a daily briefing and afterwards, all these thick journalists get to ask questions. Instead of asking sensible questions about topics like treatment trials and other activities to optimise treatment, they try to make a name for themselves with aggressive & silly questions.
Re: Vaccine development: COVID-19 vs HIV/AIDS
With over 200 viruses causing the 'common' cold a vaccine is impossuble.
https://www.medicinenet.com/common_c...he_common_cold