Adv I’m sure you already get it’s not so much his “wish” to return but more enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt of his likelihood of ACTUALLY returning that seems to be one of the key factors to them. Best of luck with it all anyway.
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Adv I’m sure you already get it’s not so much his “wish” to return but more enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt of his likelihood of ACTUALLY returning that seems to be one of the key factors to them. Best of luck with it all anyway.
I see that as semantics. The point is that he will be in Thailand, three weeks after his proposed entry, whatever happens.
Sorry Oliver but from others experiences unfortunately it seems it’s not semantics but fact in that if fir ANY random reason the visa office ( or passport control guy) FEELS that there’s even the slightest risk that your friend won’t return as you plan then simplify on that basis alone, of a feeling or a hunch, they can and do reject the application it seems. Hence why I’m saying it’s important to get past and over that hump as quickly as possibly with them by showing where you can “reason” to return such as a long term job contract, running a family business and being required to be there or involving other family matters etc. Simply saying “well of COURSE he’s going back, you can see surely that he’s got a return ticket hasn’t he !” May not be enough to cut it and could leave him open to rejection. That’s not semantics, just other peoples experiences based over many years now it seems, so definitely something to help them feel comfortable about I would think rather than ignore. But, as they say in Thailand “up to you”.
All I can do is to help ensure that his application is as thoroughly prepared as possible, which is why I'm seeking advice and guidance months before it is due. And it's why I find your advice, and that of others, so helpful.
A good approach. I trust you are gathering info from various sources, including Thai Visa & perhaps some of the straight Thai forums.
I certainly tend to agree with previous sentiment about our immigration system letting in people from the more disruptive parts of the world whilst unnecessarily hindering low risk tourists from places like Thailand.
I was and will continue to see it as a practical issue ahead of a moral one.
SOME of the people from disruptive parts of the world import their disruption with them when they move to Europe & have presented a security risk They have also exhibited poor moral standards and a lack of tolerance over diversity issues and gay rights. We also have a moral obligation to protect our society and freedoms.
I don't see why they should be let in, whilst at the same time we are making it difficult for genuine low risk bona fide tourists from other poor parts of the world like Thailand and Cambodia.
There are all sorts of cases where people get confused over morals. For example, some are pacifist on moral grounds. This is very misguided and a fat lot of good if some dictator sends his tanks into your country. Practicality also needs to be considered.
It was certainly true of the British when we began building our empire in the 16th century. We killed off the Caribs with our syphilis, massacred African, Indians, Asians and Arabs for four hundred years, and still believe we have a god-given right to "intervene" when it suits our economy.
To be blunt, I don't think much of the behaviour in foreign climes of some of my countrymen today....in Portugal, for example. And as for our expats, there are fair number who are trying to escape the law. In Spain for example....and even a few in Pattaya.
As a matter of interest Oliver
- Did slavery and the slave trade exist in Africa before Whitey started importing slaves from Africa to the Americas?
- As for syphillis I take it you're not a believer in the Columbian hypothesis. Any particular reason apart from White Guilt?
- Any thoughts on why China has for millenia referred to itself as the "Middle Kingdom" and still behaves in that way?
I agree entirely. The track record is not at all good. However, it is no reason to lose all common sense over current decisions.
Going forward, the UK should:
1 Think much more carefully before intefering in other countries affairs & on average, do much less of it. Syria, Libiya & Iraq were disasters.
2 Maintain a strong military for the defence of our country & collective defence of allies. Interfere much less abroad. However, disarmament would be completely potty, since we have threats like Russia & Iran, plus the UK would be a target for many nutty dictators because of our history over the last 300 years.
3 Consider national interest, security and cohesion of our society as the main considerations when controlling borders. STOP letting in "refugees" from regions where the track record of behaviour in our country is bad. By the way, if they are desperate to cross from a mostly civilized country like France to the UK, it is obvious we are making it way too welcoming here. Also, OPEN up the borders much more to tourists from countries like Thailand, etc, where visitors cause no significant trouble. Reduce visa costs for Chinese citizens etc.