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Whether one admits it or not, many much younger 'boyfriends' end up loathing their old farang paymaster with a Bette Davis/Joan Crawford like hatred. Unlike the money boy/honest john relationship with remains cordial forever. Just saying like. The moral high ground is rather precarious.
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Unlike Paborn I don't bother "peaking", so I guess I'll have to wait for some kind person to quote the post above but would I be far out if I guessed its a few self-serving assertions devoid of any evidence to back them up?
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No need to. He's read it.
Furthermore, sending a monthly stipend/pocket money can do enormous harm.
The boy doesn't need to work and so has too much time on his hands leading to the obvious vices. Vices he can afford in abundance because of the smitten though misguided farang.
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Furthermore, sending a monthly stipend/pocket money can do enormous harm.
The boy doesn't need to work and so has too much time on his hands leading to the obvious vices. Vices he can afford in abundance because of the smitten though misguided farang.
The bastards! You mean some farang actually try to help their less well off friends by sending them money to help out. How very thoughtless.
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The bastards! You mean some farang actually try to help their less well off friends by sending them money to help out. How very thoughtless.
If it's no burden to the farang and he feels what he's doing is right, then it should be nobody's business but his.
When I part with 20, 30 or 50Bt to someone who asks for it or whom I feel needs it, my responsibility towards him or what he does with the money stops at the point when I part with the money. Some of my farang friends chastise me for giving the money but many of my Thai friends do the same. I hope it does some good to the person who receives it but I'm not going to over think it. I waste a lot more money than that in day on nothings. I's not quite the same as giving someone money every month but I believe the same general principle applies. My thinking is grounded on the Buddhist concept of "boon" or "dai boon" - not quite sure what the farang equivalent is.
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Thanks Brad:
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arsenal
Furthermore, sending a monthly stipend/pocket money can do enormous harm.
The boy doesn't need to work and so has too much time on his hands leading to the obvious vices....
The above is like something you'd hear from a Victorian workhouse manager. Just how old is Arsenal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upD6cB9Rzvk
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Thanks Brad:
. Just how old is Arsenal?
Probably old enough to be your twin brother!
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Probably old enough to be your twin brother!
Siamese twin?
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Seriously? You cannot comprehend that people may be forced into sex work without them being physically held captive as it were?
Do you understand the word "coercion" at all? At least 2 boys I have met over the years alleged they were sent by their families to an "Aunt" in Pattaya (specific definition unknown) who then sold/introduced them to a bar and told them that was how they had to earn their keep.
Do you not understand that people may be forced into prostitution because of circumstances and once in it, because of easy money or drugs or because they feel there are no other other opportunities for them, they feel unable to get out of it?
These are extremely serious charges.
Why do you believe these guys? They made you believe they were forced into prostitution, that is what you are saying? And they were unable to escape, handcuffed to radiators, yes? Was it their aunts?
All because they told you they stayed with their aunts.
Did go and report these crimes, if so, what were results of investigations? Surely you reported these crimes, and you wouldn't just make small talk over such serious matters now, from Europe, years later? Did you leave these guys in hands of human trafficers, had your fun with them, and simply walked away? Tell me you did not do this!!!!
If not in Thailand, surely at some UN anti human trafficking comission? Im sure you did! You wouldn't let something this serious just slide.
In 2018 Thailand that is a fucking outrageous statement, and you better have real life facts to back this up!
Scottish-guy, you are aware Thais refuse construction jobs, for years now, early 2000s all unscilled construction labour was Cambodian, Thais would not work these jobs. Thais would accept blow jobs for 1000 Baht tho, let's say 20 minutes jobs. Is this abuse, forced prostitution? Maybe in your opinion.
Since mid 2000s construction jobs, low grade labour in Thailand are manned by Burmese, Thais would not go near these construction sites. By your logic they are all human trafficed, and forced into prostitution. Or not all, just some?
This logic is retarded, you only need to look at money boy's life style, it is a career choice, there may be human trafficking in the world, but if it exists in Thailand, how come NO ONE has witnessed it? How they hide it so well? And who are they? These 2 aunts in your anecdote? Please!
You should come here, male, and female prostitutes are doing better than average Thai worker with similar education (i.e. no education), they live well, they chose their hours, and they laugh at villagers working in 711, motocy etc.
Just a simple fact that Sglad agrees with you should tell you that you may be wrong!
No slavery here, really! Or we would witness it, at least once a year, once in 10 years.
Has anyone witnessed forced prostitution and human trafficking here, other than Scottish-guy and Sglad, please, speak up!
This is serious, and something I should be aware of!
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DD, I think you need to re-visit your rather hysterical response - it bears no relation to what I said.
I specifically said that people can be coerced into prostitution without them being "held captive" - and you have turned that into a suggestion that I've said people are being "chained to radiators" - you really need to brush up your comprehension skills as I said the direct opposite and you've completely misunderstood.
As for the two boys who (separately) told me they'd been sent to live with "aunts" who then expected them to work in bars to pay their keep - you ask why I should believe them? Well why should I not believe them. Should I not believe them because they're prostitutes, is that your suggestion?
Then you suggest that I should have reported these tales to the Police at the time - what do you think that would have achieved other than to line the pockets of the police, and in a Thai-Thai-Farang situation it would undoubtedly end up being my money lining those pockets! Don't be so naive.
How about the boys I have known whom I said had committed suicide - did I make that up? How about the boys which other people have reported have died from HIV or from misadventures related to that lifestyle - are they making things up too?
You go on to have the temerity to tell me "You better have real life facts to back this up". I'm sorry, but when did I become accountable to you? Have I forgotten some contract we signed where you became my boss and were able to tell me what I "better" do?
Then to round it all off, you spout some utter bilge on about how prostitution is all a bed of roses and they're all swimming in money. You need to get a grip on reality.
Maybe try opening your eyes - maybe you'll notice that these fantastically successful bar boy prostitutes you're telling us about are the same ones asking you for 20B for food that night.
Maybe even try talking to the boys instead of just using their services - you'll struggle to find more than a handful who are happy with their "career choice" as you put it, but for various reasons they (rightly or wrongly) feel trapped in it. I'm not saying it's every boy - but there are far more who are struggling than those who are making it big and living it large!
As I acknowledged already, there undoubtedly are some boys (and girls) who do sex work and who do well, but that is very much the exception. Most are barely surviving after they send money home and pay rent and food etc. Sure when they have a good night they might blow it all on a party but that's what being 18/19/20 is about and nobody should draw any conclusions from it.