Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
The more things change, the more the stay the same . . .
Jumping all over the OP was completely uncalled for SG. Even if you had not misread his post, as a moderator there certainly would have been a nicer way of going about setting him straight. It is wrong to expect newbies to automatically know what conduct is acceptable and what is not in a world they have little experience with. Even the old timers who have chimed in are not in agreement on this issue.
The OPтАЩs intent in arranging a meeting the following day was not to avoid paying the house, he clearly stated it was the ambiance of the facilities that spurred him to arrange for an off-site meeting. ThatтАЩs reasonable and understandable. Not knowing that he should have made those arrangements through the massage shop is understandable too, several posters with more experience than the OP also believe that would not be required.
It does not matter that the establishment was a massage shop instead of a gogo bar (and I am not sure why anyone would think it would matter). The staff does not belong to the owner 24/7 in either type of establishment. But if an employee meets a customer at his place of work, any future business between them on-site or off-site falls under the parameters of that work place. All applicable fees should be paid directly to the business. The boys know this, it is not a gray area in their minds.
Nescool, I understand why you would feel the massage place should not have been involved as your planned meeting would be during the boyтАЩs free time; thatтАЩs a simple mistake to make. But consider if for example you took your computer into a shop for repairs, paid for the work that was done, and then because you were happy with the work of the geek who fixed your problem called him directly the next time you needed work done and had him come to your house during his free time to do that work. I think you would agree that this would be unfair to his employer. I know if his boss found out that is one geek who would be looking for a new job.
Had you met the guy for the first time on the street during his non-working hours it would have been a different situation. That you met him through his work is why your future business together is still part of his official job - even more so because you made your extra-curricular arrangement on the businessтАЩ premises. But donтАЩt fret it, yours was an honest mistake and now you know better.
SG, you were right in what you said, wrong in how you said it. At least if your intention was to help a newbie out. Going on the attack is never a good way of getting your message across. NescoolтАЩs response, understandably, was to want to argue with you rather than consider what you had to say as a valid bit of information. NewalaanтАЩs post that mysteriously disappeared was spot on: if you want new members to join in the discussion here jumping down their throat for honest errors in judgement is probably not the best way of going about that.
(BTW, Nescool, hitting Tawan can be a crap shoot. Some nights the guys are all duds, other nights the place is filled with buffed hotties. Your best bet is to visit on Friday and Saturday nights - thatтАЩs the boysтАЩ best night for business and all the stars come out to play.)
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Now, when somebody makes their point in a reasoned way (as you have) it's worth paying attention to.
I have re-read my original response to the OP and I really don't think I "jumped all over him" - although maybe hitting him over the head with a hammer was unnecessary but I use the "smileys" in jest more than anything else.
I would urge you to re-read it - there is nothing abusive whatsoever, I do believe it was "sneaky" and that the massage shop owner was cheated although perhaps not deliberately, as I pointed out in post number 2 or 3.
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
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Originally Posted by Rush, Yet Again
The staff does not belong to the owner 24/7 in either type of establishment. But if an employee meets a customer at his place of work, any future business between them on-site or off-site falls under the parameters of that work place. All applicable fees should be paid directly to the business. The boys know this, it is not a gray area in their minds.
Is this not a contradiction?
They either belong to their employers 24/7 or they don't and have the freedom to do things outside of their work?
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Colmx - I would simply say they don't have the freedom to make private arrangements whilst being paid to be on-duty at their employers place of work - in my opinion it's really quite simple. They can make all the private arrangements they want once they are off-duty and not being paid by the venue owner.
And whether the Client who is trying to make the private arrangement on the owners premises paid the same boy for a shag a month ago, a week ago, or 10 minutes ago is in my view immaterial.
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
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Originally Posted by scottish-guy
in my opinion it's really quite simple
Yes and that is your opinion and only that... and the way you turned on the OP was wrong
I agree that it may be bad form to make an appointment for a meeting whilst on teh employers premises... but there is a difference between bad form and pure wrong
By the way i notice that one of my posts above has been modified since it was originally posted
Surely if a moderator is going to change the contents of someones post they should have the courtesy to let all other readers of the thread know that this particular post has been moderated?
After all the opinions being expressed by the poster are now not actually theirs but those of the moderator?
Edit: I see that my post has now been re-instated
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Colmx I do believe you are wrong. Please read this line:
However I am not interested in any of them, the quality of guys are not as amazing as i have heard online. chatted with the boss for 5 mins, he told me to come tomorrow, he will have the right guy for me.
Now the OP in my opinion clearly states he did not like any of them and that the owner said for him that he would arrange for him to meet someone else the next day.
So no, he did not have sex with this boy, he only met him on the premises due to the owner making sure he would be there and the OP getting the phone number behind the owners back to meet him eslewhere. OK he did not like the room and I understand that but if you take someone out of a bar or out of a massage venue and you know what most massage venues are for BUT even for a massage, hey let's face it.... bys are taken off to go drinking with, being shown around town. getting a massage or even fucking. You pay an off fee or an intodeuction fee. It doesn't matter what exactly you take them away for.
As I said before the OP clearly said he had NOT had sex with the boy and that the boy was brought in for him to meet, not to take his phone number and meet him elsewhere.
As far as Nescool, well sorry if you feel that I or other staff hopped on you. This is a heated topic that has been discussed over and over and over and we get nowhere.
There are people who go into these and go go bars all the time that get very little in retirement checks or just don't wan't to pay, they get the boys phone numbers in these places for the purpose of not paying the fee and think it's all right.
I used to run one of these bars. Do you know how many boys get the falangs phones numbers after the first date and go off for a week or two and get THEIR FEE for 1 or 2 weeks then retun to the bar to where they are turned away and told to go work elsewhere?? Promised that the falang will send them regular money and don't work and then a month later need to return to the bar because the falang got tired of sending them money and told to go work elsewhere?? This is a very dangerous and difficult topic and would rather we never get inbto this or 10% garatuity as it only provolks bad feelings.
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
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Originally Posted by DaBoss
Colmx I do believe you are wrong. Please read this line:
However I am not interested in any of them, the quality of guys are not as amazing as i have heard online. chatted with the boss for 5 mins, he told me to come tomorrow, he will have the right guy for me.
Neal please read the subsequent line from the OP "the next day, there really is a quite lean muscle guy. service is good. he is polite. sex is great."
So he did have a massage the next day on the premises with the guy!
I know as an ex-bar owner i will never win the argument about losing out on off fees etc with you!! :violent1: :violent1:
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Stop hitting DaBoss on the head with a hammer - that's "jumping all over him" don't you know :evil4:
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
I though this was Daboss? :naka:
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
You're being very generous to him :sign5: