Her state has the population of Charlotte, NC.
Her city has the population of DJ Station on a good night.
Experience my ass, Wes.
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Her state has the population of Charlotte, NC.
Her city has the population of DJ Station on a good night.
Experience my ass, Wes.
Let's see. Obama is a Harvard graduate, was head of the Harvard Law Review, professor of Constitutional Law, community organizer, State Legeslator and US Senator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley
Palin was a runnerup in the Miss Podunk contest, a weather-lady on the news and is now the Governor of Outer Bumfuck where she just takes orders from large oil companies. Wow, great resume.
As for running a home, she did a great job of "abstinence only" education with that randy daughter of hers.
Boy, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when they "explained" to the boyfriend his choises were either marry the girl or Uncle Cheney will write a first class ticket to the Iraq Front for you.
Splash some cold water on your face and wake up Wes.
Come on now Kenc, that's a bit unfair don't you think? Over the top? Hyperbolicky?Quote:
Originally Posted by kenc
Anyway, I couldn't find Bumfuck (outer or inner) on the map. Is it in Thailand?
Cheers ....
The concept of Five Days is very important to Palin as a creationist. She knows that Her Lord created the Earth in 5 days. She's getting close to a position where she could destroy it in one.Quote:
Ok, maybe Palin knows (after being briefed the last 5 days)
As long as she's wearing lipstick at the time, I guess that's OK.
...the Fox News commentators are praisng Palin for being a down to earth hometown girl. --That's nice but that doesn't mean that she is fit for the Washington scene (yet). If pro-Palin folks want to see how she suffers from "tunnel vision" look up some of her talks/sermons to the Assembly of God Church on YouTube, then defend her as an rational candidate. (sorry I can't get the YouTube video on here)
Whereas Sarah Palin has 13 YEARS ( yes THIRTEEN YEARS ) in elective office.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenc
I really hate to suggest this to you, Ken, but Sarah Palin would have made a great mayor for a small town like San Francisco.
And she has a lot more executive experience than Obama OR Hillary.
I like Victor Davis Hanson's commentary on the whole affair: the whole liberal establishment just got hit by a cruise missile from Middle America.
She shoots MOOSE, Ken. Her husband is an actual MAN.
The liberal media immediately accused her of using a Bush speechwriter. This is most likely true, but it is also beyond doubt that she used that speechwriter better than Bush EVER did.
Hey kenc, Ease up, I just said not to count them out, going to Harvard is not a prerequisite for ruining a country or a state, at least she has a bit more than community organizer, and Junior senator. As well she has been responsible for an actual budget small or large it was at least a budget. She is an expert on energy and this is a big deal here now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenc
I am not saying I would vote for them I am just saying she plays well to the blue collar guys and ladies who clutch their Guns and Bibles. Like it or not, she has energized the Republican base. ItтАЩs just too early to count them out if you look at the polls. IтАЩm not taking up for her although I would prefer not to vote than vote for Obama. The Rev Wright thing finished it for me; he is not running for president of Europe. You do realize that right? Those guys with Bibles and guns will turn out to vote, now that Hillary is out and there is a woman to vote for, some women will vote for that reason only. Being a woman (Joke) should make you want to vote for her.
I know you probably hate Bush but keep in mind, big eared Obama is running against an actual war hero and has little to offer as a record. If you are looking for a socialist state then he is the man for the job. I am liberal but I am not all the way to the left and he is the most liberal senator in the senate who has voted 95 times present rather than have any history at all to see how he would vote on anything. The Troops are already coming home, The surge Brigades are already home and the war is pretty much over whether all are in or out. The Booodiest region of all is now under Iraqi control and Bush himself is bringing the troops home. So, he can't run on that issue any longer.So since that is no longer an issue, why vote for him other than he is Black. The issue now is the economy and Oil and the transition to an energy free future that does not include people that do not like us very well. Other than the basic liberal issues there is really no reason to vote for him. If I have to take the far left to get the center of the road then I prefer to not vote at all. I look at his record and there is no record for me to look at in order to cast a vote for him. I have no idea what he believes in, other than change in which he has yet to define
Wesley
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Sometimes you get things absolutely right, Wes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley
It took a while but it finally came to me.
At first Palin reminded me of Wilma Flintstone with that hairdoo of her's.
But there was just something that kept nagging at the back of my mind.
Finally I got it!
She's just another Anita Bryant or Phyllis Schlafly
I can't believe in a GAY forum we have to fight the same battle we fought 30 years ago.
I did have some vague hopes that McCain woukd break the mold but he was taken over by the Pod People. He embraced the Right Wing Religous bigots in order to secure his "base" so he could win the election.
Oh, haven't you heard? Palin HATES FAGS!
That means YOU Wes, and YOU Henry.
These religious Right Wing nut cases are behind all the Customs "strip searches" of gay travelers and the pedo witch hunts of gay men.
We are in a great civil rights battle right now. This is not just about "who is most qualified" or "who can win in Iraq".
This is about who will appoint the next Supreme Court justices and weather America should continue to hold people in Guantanamo without counsel or Habeas Corpus.
Above all this is an election where gay people need to GET A FUCKING GRIP and realize which side their bread is buttered on.
Oh come on. Why should Fox News and Rush Limbergher get to have all the fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiles
And BTW, I'm willing to argue my case that Alaska is "Outer Bumfuck".
It's as far away from nowhere you can get in the US.
(edited for spelling- sheesh)
For the geographically-challenged among us (I'm thinking particularly of poor old Henry Cate from his postings), where exactly in Inner Bumfuck? And on a completely different topic, apropos of your assertion in a completely different thread, that boyfriends don't stay 22 forever - they do if you trade them in :cyclopsani:Quote:
Originally Posted by kenc
personally she just sounds like another right wing nutter to me but the kid who knocked up her daughter looks pretty hunky.:sunny:
They don't do eye tests in Pattaya these days, or are your eyes still blurred from lunch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunchtime O'Booze
It is surprising that this fascist femme is being put in a position to become the most powerful person in the world in a system that is said to be democratic. Makes one wonder if Monarchical government has its merits after all.
Many historians assert that the Presidency under the US Constitution is merely an 18th century elected monarch, having roughly the same powers as King George IIIQuote:
Originally Posted by 555
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenc
So, let them hate me, the have been doing that for 40 years now, so far I am better off than most of them. I donтАЩt begrudge them their inept opinion just to vote for a bum head like Obama, it he were not so far to the left it would be different, I could have voted for Hillary. But their guy after the Rev Wright thing makes me wonder if he does not hate America as much as some on this forum. I am gay but remain a patriot. I donтАЩt think you can say you canтАЩt have one with out the other. Gay people serve in Iraq and Afghanistan and are gay yet are able to separate their gay rights from their patriotism. I find the man revolting and full of hot bloviating air. He has all Air and no substance and a great orator. However, I prefer a guy like McCain to some young upstart who has yet to define his own feelings. He has written two memoirs of himself and no legislation. If I catch McCainтАЩs personality right he may has said okay to the evangelicals but still curses like the sailor he is. Palin on the other hand may be and evangelical and balance the ticket but I am not voting for her I'm voting for McCain if I vote at all.
certainly the current president is as mad as King George ! :geek:Quote:
Originally Posted by homintern
Agreed Henry and seconded by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Cate
One things for sure where The US of A is concerned, it's possible for absolutely anything to happen. I believe that what has been witnessed so far and up to the conclusions of both the Democratic and Republican conventions, is nothing in comparison to the drama and quite possibly dramas, that I have a gut feeling will unfold themselves before this particular election is over.
I wish I could say that the gut feeling I have, is also telling me that those drama/s will be positive ones as well as ones that will as a result of their having happened, be beneficial for everybody. Unfortunately however, it is not. I can assure everyone, that there will be no one hoping more than me, that I am wrong.
George.
Another attack almost of any kind not to mention that Musharif is no longer President and Putin is in Georgia and new Missile Silos' are now in Poland makes foreign policy a bigger deal I dare to say if there is another attack of any kind on American shores or anything blows up in the mid-East will almost definitely assure a Republican win. Say all you want about George Dubia, he has prevented any attack since 9-11. Should one come now in his lame duck presidency, it would assure a republican win. I do believe in government conspiracies although not to the extreme. However, if they were to let something slip and an attack small or great were to happen it would kill any hope of an Obama win. This is not to say that he puts himself at unusual risk in big stadiums where security is almost impossible. I am sure there are people out there that would like to see him dead and after so many presidential attacks on so many great Charismatic presidents similar to the attraction Obama has, seems to bring out the crazies with a gun. He personally is at risk more than any person I have seen in recent history for assignation. SO, it may be the poor guy who got all of 9,000 votes in the primary we may be voting for against McCain.
Talk about a bad feeling George, I have felt this way for sometime. I hope I am wrong.
Wes
George the Third had the excuse of porphyria. George the W has the excuse of being brought up to treat Bushes with respect. Perhaps his father deserved it. It's difficult to respect the electorate or system that returned W to power.Quote:
certainly the current president is as mad as King George !
I see Palin's Assembly of God church in Wasilla is trying to convert gays to heterosexuals. Another try at conversion therapy. Henry and Wesley should attend. Nothing worse than right wing wacko fags.
For those desiring to be converted, here is a link to the story
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_ ... alp3hh24cA
Ok Wesley, I take exception to your supposed neutrality. Refer to Obama as big eared, a nice childish comment. Obama running against an actual war hero. I think not. Yes, McCain was a prisoner of war hero, not the same as a war hero. Let's face it if he was a good, smart pilot, he would not have been shot down. He graduated near the bottom of his Anapolis class. Something like fourth from the bottom. He was after all a legacy admittance because his father and grandfather were Admirals. Similar to GW Bush's admittance to Yale. McCain had crashed several planes previously because of poor piloting skills. Yes, he stood up to being a prisoner of war and deserves credit for that.Quote:
I know you probably hate Bush but keep in mind, big eared Obama is running against an actual war hero and has little to offer as a record. If you are looking for a socialist state then he is the man for the job. I am liberal but I am not all the way to the left and he is the most liberal senator in the senate who has voted 95 times present rather than have any history at all to see how he would vote on anything. The Troops are already coming home, The surge Brigades are already home and the war is pretty much over whether all are in or out. The Booodiest region of all is now under Iraqi control and Bush himself is bringing the troops home. So, he can't run on that issue any longer.So since that is no longer an issue, why vote for him other than he is Black. The issue now is the economy and Oil and the transition to an energy free future that does not include people that do not like us very well. Other than the basic liberal issues there is really no reason to vote for him. If I have to take the far left to get the center of the road then I prefer to not vote at all. I look at his record and there is no record for me to look at in order to cast a vote for him. I have no idea what he believes in, other than change in which he has yet to define
Wes, continue America's downward spiral, vote McCain
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Originally Posted by rincondog
Thanks Bob, he pushed my button, I guess its another of those what ever posts.
Wes
So, now i fine she was formerly Assemblies of God and no longer belongs to that particular church or denomination. not sure where she goes nowor denomination only that Fox rep[orts this morning she is no longer and for some time been affiliated with this church or the Assemblies SO, Check out your facts before you begin to quote rouge internet postings.
Wes
Any man who could have left and stayed in my eyes is a hero in his own right, yes he like others were wild and craszy in their youth, I had a few of them myslelf. No matter how he got there is not important, it is how and when he came out of the POW camp that is important. he could have left being his father was an Admiral but stayed . That in itself makes him a hero and a much better man than I am. I suppose you have done more. I suppose you deserve the right to vote. If you are not an American then this is no topic for you. If you are then vote you heart as will I.Quote:
Originally Posted by rincondog
Wesley
For god's/buddha's sake, Wes, the thread is about Palin and we're in an internet forum called Sawatdee Gay Thailand. Do we really have to listen to some pompous diatribe from the pulpit? Rather than try to convert posters you don't know (and who are just winding your chain), you'd be better off chiseling your pronouncements in stone and then using the stones to weigh down your pickup in the winter snows. (i.e., lighten up, dude)
Back to the topic of the thread. Being the governor of a state of 600,000 for 19 months and being the mayor of a rather dinky town do count for something - but not much on the national scene. When asked about her views on Iraq, she responded that she hadn't been following much about that. It seems to me that whoever is selected as vice president ought to be somewhat qualified to be president and I can't see Palin as anywhere near qualified for that. I don't blame her for her predicament, I blame the bad judgment of McCain (in spite of that fact I think he's an honorable guy).
My couple previous comments about Palin (which were negative) stands for her as a person...not because she is a woman or a Republican. BUT, many of us "Independents" are sick of what the Republican party has done to the United States the last eight years. It's reputation around the world (and the economy) has gone down the drain ;thus, we DO want a different party in. I think most of the world would agree.
Though Americans usually do not pay much attention to the vice-presidency candidate, who runs for THIS republican vice-presidency ticket does make a difference since McCain's golden age means that Palin may have to fulfill his position if he becomes sick or passes away. I don't care if she was on the Democratic ticket or on the Mother's Teressa ticket, would you really want her to be in one of the most powerful positions in the world with her prejudices and narrow mindedness?
I donot agree wth the article, aboaut the Assemblies of God thing, I know them. They have nothign to do with Gays on any level historically and theologically. The odds they would give a shit that we are going to hell seems some what unlike that particular group. However, I guess there are a few nut cakes around any denomination. I would not bet she has gotten where she has with the Assemblies of God tied arond her neck or being willing to accept all of the far right poistions. for most it, her stand on abortion, not gay rights and for that I would agree that it gives her a certain pro-life boost to the Republican party. I am sure the Repubilcans really care less about Gays as long as there is marraige defined as between a man and a woman. I could not say the Assemblies would aaccpet either abortion or gays but there are pletnty of it that goes on in the church on both fronts.
I am not taking up for her but the article that was suggested I am part the Assemblies was a slap in the face, and the Assemblies would feel the same way about me. I long ago broke any serious ties with the church. If they don't help the kids find if they do fine. As I said befoer if Satan writes me a check to help the kids I will take that too. When anyone gets personal about religion on here in my opinion they have crossed over the line. Any persn including Palin should be allowedd to believe what they believe. I persoanlly don't give a shit. But if it makes a difference to you then vote your cinscince. I persoanlly think McCain is a Maverick, he stood up to Bush and any one else who was wrong. I just don't feel that hanging him for 8 Years of a failed bush presidency is fair to the ticket. He is no religious freak. He is old yes, but his Mom is in her 90's. I would say he likely will out live most of us.
Wesley
Tell us all about it, expert pilot.Quote:
Let's face it if he was a good, smart pilot, he would not have been shot down.
Frankly, the reason this thread has exploded with comments is because Sarah Palin has totally changed the character of this election. Of course, those who are knee-jerk Democrats have nothing but nasty things to say about her -- but that can be discounted in advance, because they would have been nasty about Lieberman (TURNCOAT! HYPOCRITE) and they will say nothing but nasty things about the Republican ticket.
I would like to say once again that I am not a member of any party. I would like to be a Libertarian, but can't accept their little statement about all use of force being everywhere wrong.
So I guess I am challenging myself to say something nice about Obama. This is very difficult, because my perceptions of him have worsened over the last few weeks. Right now he strikes me as a typical Chicago machine politician, who did not actually expect to win the nomination, and who has been running on a wing and a prayer ever since. Much worse than that -- some Internet gangsters have been apparently making up fibs about Sarah Palin's religious affiliations, but Obama's religious affiliations are a matter of public record. And (amazingly) nobody seems to CARE about his 20-year association with Jeremiah Wright, or his equally long association with Bill Ayers -- which Obama has LIED about ("He's just a guy who lives in the same neighborhood.")
And it took Sarah Palin to state the obvious about Obama and the "surge!" Obama admits that the surge has worked beyond "any of our dreams," and Palin calls him on it! The fact is, Obama was wrong -- dead wrong -- about the surge, and now he wants to rhetorically imply that "everyone" was similarly mistaken. Not John McCain, who put his career on the line defending it against the likes of Obama. Obama's position on the surge is now Theater of the Absurd. "I was mistaken, but I was right," or something like that.
Why doesn't anybody ask this man the hard questions -- aside from Sarah Palin?
Anyway, the world will little note nor long remember what we say here....but at least everyone who cared to has come out and shown their party colours (the "u" is for our British friends :-) )
Now I have to dive down the memory hole and find the name of that excellent old blog, since given up, which made a career out of exposing the follies of the Guardian.
ttfn
Like you, Henry, I'm not a member of any party (either because I don't agree with their positions or on the general Groucho Marx theory of "I wouldn't belong to any organization that would have me as a member!").
Okay, given I'm fairly independent and not arguing with you (I could) about some of your other statements, how about a simple statement as to your beliefs as to whether Sarah Palin is or isn't qualified (adequately experienced) to be president.
I ask you this because it's difficult for me to believe anybody can make a rational argument that she is indeed qualified in that regard.
Thanks to all of you giving your opinions. It is healthy to hear what other people are thinking on this issue. (and I am not going to go crazy with people that disagree with me.)
Check out the differences between McSame here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa20q2s2BRs
You are correct Henry, we can't imagine this wacko a heartbeat away from a 72 year old man, which could make her President.Quote:
Frankly, the reason this thread has exploded with comments is because Sarah Palin has totally changed the character of this election.
Yes Wes, his mom is in her 90's, however, his father died at age 70. It is not unusual for many older women in their late 80's and 90's to outlive their children.Quote:
He is old yes, but his Mom is in her 90's. I would say he likely will out live most of us.
I didn't know you were an expert on gerontology?Quote:
I would say he likely will out live most of us.
Rincondog, try to say something intelligent or be quiet.
Ronald Reagan was 71 when he took the oath of office.
As for the "sudden death" idea -- well, take your pick: Joe Biden or Sarah Palin?
I pick Palin. You may like the trendy old hack with hairplugs who has been wrong about everything, but I doubt it.
You say, "SARAH PALIN AS PRESIDENT? HOW ABSURD!!"
I say, "JOE BIDEN AS PRESIDENT? HOW ABSURD!!"
By the way, you may have noticed that "The One," in a new panic fear, summoned Hillary to "help him" with the "Palin crisis."
How much do you think the Hillary is going to help the man who didn't even consider her for Vice-President?
I wrote then, and believe it still, that the failure to select Hillary as his VP was an absolutely fatal mistake.
Harvard graduate? Let's be relevant here: Bush has an MBA from Harvard (duh).
Age
Typical response from a right wing wacko, comments are only intelligent if they agree with your point of view. Stop any discenting opinions.Quote:
Rincondog, try to say something intelligent or be quiet.
Then of course the attacks on someone's appearance, because you lack the intellectual ability to refute their ideas without stooping to childish attacks on appearance.Quote:
You may like the trendy old hack with hairplugs
You know Henry, you sound so excited about Palin that I guess you can get by without Viagra now.[/quote]
I metnion what I hear, and all I know is if its in the genes then its in the genes, so who knows he looks good for an olld fart who has ben beaten half to death. I dare to say if Obamma chances of living without a snipers bnullet is as good as McCain will live with his health. If the Doctors Say he is in great health then who am I not belive them. At any rate its certainly not about Biden he has been wrong on ever forgien policy Debackle there was. He may have been around a while but he has not been right about anything so far, lets hope both of them live.
So I thimnk the real debate is about the presidential candidates, I am sure McCain will live long enougth for Palin to get some experience and certainly if we are Lucky some on will finally release the truth about Aliens taking over the world. LOL.
So this is not so serious as it seems it will or will not be one or the other and I doubt any of us are going to change our minds, best to hope for the best in whoever gets in.
Wes
I agree with Henery, if he had swalloed some pride nd took Hillary there would be no debate now at all. It would have been a shoo in for Obama, bnut no, he had to do it all alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Cate
In a quite remarkable way, this column by Willie Brown in a San Francisco newspaper basically confirms everything I have been saying about Sarah Palin. (Note: Willie Brown was the happy and utterly corrupt mayor of SF for a number of years...)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BALU12OCMV.DTL
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