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Reading this anyone would think the relationships people have in the west are all honey and roses. They're not, one of them is often a cunt to the other.
"I've always felt it best to just treat them the same way I want to be treated..."
The Dodge.
Yipperdeedooda. Exactly. Treat the offed boy the same as you would a waiter or a hotel clerk. Be pleasant and polite while having a fair expectation that they will perform the service you're paying for.
And at some point nip into the nearest temple and give thanks to Buddha that Pattaya exists at all.
And will someone please send Matt an atlas. Cambodia is not landlocked.
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maump
.......Thailand drops off top 10
I wonder how Thailand would rank if one of the ranking criteria was OFSG (Opportunities for Sexual Gratification).
I'm saying this in jest, but seriously this is one of the main reasons people like Thailand. For gay men like us it's the top reason.
Coming in second for having the lowest cost-of-living is of course another important factor, but what good is it living cheap if you can't get a cute young native to crawl in bed with you.
I rank Thailand #1.
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oh what nonsense, no society accepts the fact that anyone especially foreigners can visit their country and usd their youth like disposable paper plates...especially when the youth are male, thats a double humiliatiion
And that is typical latintopxxx nonsense! Describing young men and women as disposable plates because they work in the porn industry is disgraceful! We know latintopxxx's methods, his way with words and that he fucks around all and sundry - guys that is. Very few other posters are like him, fortunately, and most do not resort to such dreadful descriptions.
The sex industry in Thailand is huge but expats and foreigners see only a small fraction of it. A recent report states that it is worth USD6 billion annually (and that's probably an underestimate). It involves young ladies, young men and even, behind closed doors, underage youths of both sexes. It has little to do now with paddy fields. It involves many sectors of soceity and is about cash, plain and simple.
His basic premise is also nonsense. Given his travels no doubt he has hit on Japan a few times. Japan's sex and porn industry is estimated to be worth vastly more than Thailand's - over USD70 billion +. Porn movie sales alone contribute around 1% of the country's GDP. Much of the total revolves around clubs for older men to meet very young ladies, many of whom are schoolgirls out for extra cash and gifts, but more than a few are for older ladies to meet younger male "escorts", also out for cash. Many places do not accept foreigners, but increasingly a great many more do. Boy houses where large numbers of 18 year olds look closer to 14 can easily be found on the internet and are in every city. Teenage prostitution is rife.
The Japanese from the senior levels of government down to the lowly farmer know precisely what is going on, and virtually all tolerate it. Culturally sex and older men taking young boys under their wings are deeply ingrained in Japanese social history.
No society? Nonsense!
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latintopxxx
oh what nonsense, no society accepts the fact that anyone especially foreigners can visit their country and usd their youth like disposable paper plates ...
You may be overlooking something: Not all foreigners use their youth like disposable paper plates. Only those who lack moral fiber.
POT KETTLE BLACK :dash:
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armando what you describe in Japan is Japanese for Japanese...they would not accept foreigners flying in and fucking their young men for less than the price of a bottle of cheap whiskey...so basically you are agreeing with me
Dodger..you seem to swing from pretending that Thaialnd is all accepting to agreeing with me...all very confusing
...and yes I have travelled a lot and plan my holidays around sex, there has to be sex...and nowhere have i experienced a place where its so easy to enjoy fit local guys in such a public open way
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armando what you describe in Japan is Japanese for Japanese...they would not accept foreigners flying in and fucking their young men
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many tourists seem to think that Thailand is so gay friendly and whore friendly and so accepting.....truth is that the easy gay hooker world a tourist inhabits is very small
But what I described is just as much for foreigners. Look at the various host bar websites in the main cities - each having actual photos of many, many dozens of young men (often several photos each), vastly more guys than any one bar has in Thailand, plus full details of price and how to pay. No bar fines. No tips. No haggling. I suppose you believe that because they have these very detailed instructions IN ENGLISH that is to assist Japanese customers! What a joke! And unlike in Thailand where you generally have to ask if you can fuck them, these sites state exactly what each boy will do. Nothing could be easier for a tourist or an expat than these host bars - certainly nothing in Thailand. And unlike in Thailand, if you book one for a certain time, they will appear at your hotel room or be ready for you in their own bar at the exact minute.
Maybe time for you to visit Japan.
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...u havent mentioned price...and yes i must visit Japan...never have..
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...and again you fail to comprehend my point...maybe its the obtuse in you...is Japan as obvious....can you saunder down a soi ....peer in through the wide open door & see dozens of fit young males on a stage on display for rent...do you see dozens of foreigners wandering around with local fot young males..is the trade in male bodies so open and blatant...do the massage boys beckon you from the shop fronts...
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...and before you do a dodger on me and get all moralistic...im not complaining...not saying bits bad or wrong...on the contrary I love it..revell in it...but am a little annoyed by the dodgers of this world who portray this alice in wonderland fake all accepting Thai world...when back in the paddy field the peasants sweat under the hot sun for a pittance with very little help from the ruling elite
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when back in the paddy field the peasants sweat under the hot sun for a pittance with very little help from the ruling elite
There you go again! You always - always - regard those participating in the porn industry as being agressively poor with no other options. Must be that these are the only ones you see or enjoy seeing. Perhaps because you can beat their price down to the bare minimum. LOL
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.is Japan as obvious....can you saunder down a soi ....peer in through the wide open door & see dozens of fit young males on a stage on display for rent
Plenty of bars open to the street. More than in Bangkok or Pattaya although obviously less so in the winter months. Use a good website to discover where since, like Thailand, the gay scene in most cities is mostly located in one or two primary areas. Rent boys, yes, although few bars have stages, Far easier and far greater selection with oftenmore revealed on the host bar websites. Go and find out before your moralising on the Japanese gay scene only being for the Japanese.
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oh ok...you have convinced me..im off to japan
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How about some links to good websites... and the price. Japan is like singapore very expensive food, hotel...... boys?
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latintopxxx
...........but am a little annoyed by the dodgers of this world who portray this alice in wonderland fake all accepting Thai world...when back in the paddy field the peasants sweat under the hot sun for a pittance with very little help from the ruling elite
I'm sorry if I somehow offended you because that wasn't my intention.
I spent 7 years residing part-time in a village cut of of the jungle with the very same poor farmers that you're referring to. Quite the experience.
At the end of those 7 years I had build a two story home for my friends family, who, before the construction of the home, were living in a small wooden rice storage bin. Later I had 32 industrial-grade ceiling fans installed in the village school. I have my late father to thank for the fans. They were shipped in wooden crates from Chicago...installed by local workers from the village...and I contributed additional funding to have the school completely re-wired with new electric breaker boxes. The celebration that was held at the school following this upgrade included every single member of the village including the monks who performed their blessing.
I only return to this village once a year now around new years for a visit. You can only imagine the welcoming I receive.
I'm saying this to let you know that I'm fully aware of the fact that the needs of the poor people in Thailand are largely ignored by the upper classes. I guess I can just do whatever I want because I don't belong to any class. I'm just a person.
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maump
How about some links to good websites... and the price. Japan is like singapore very expensive food, hotel...... boys?
There are several reasonably good gay travel websites with some of the information you want. I'll post a few more below.
As for price, Japan is considerably less expensive now than Singapore. The Japanese ¥ has fallen in value by over 35% since pre-covid even though they now have as many, if not more, visitors than pre-covid. Today the rate stands at USD1=¥151. 5 years ago it was ¥110. 13 years ago it was ¥75.
With this being sakura season, hotel prices are artificially high for a couple of weeks. Looking at agoda, in June there are plenty of 3-star hotels in the popular Shinjuku area for between USD85 and 120. Drop a star and the price drops. But note that prices in Japan are dependent to a large extent on room area. The lower the price, the smaller the area.
Food is not expensive if you eat at the many local noodle, curry and other restaurants. Certainly a meal can cost under USD10. Also there are inexpensive convenience stores like Family Mart and 7 11 just about every corner with the usual sandwiches, noodles and a host of other items you can take back to your hotel. But if you are after more gourmet fare, the sky can be the limit unless you go for lunch when set menus tend to be a fraction of what you'd pay in the evening.
Here's a typical host bar site (sorry don't know how to get actual pics up)
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There are several reasonably good gay travel websites with some of the information you want. I'll post a few more below./QUOTE]
Great business plan.
How much is the average short time in Japan?
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Armando
With this being sakura season, hotel prices are artificially high for a couple of weeks. Looking at agoda, in June there are plenty of 3-star hotels in the popular Shinjuku area for between USD85 and 120. Drop a star and the price drops. But note that prices in Japan are dependent to a large extent on room area. The lower the price, the smaller the area.
So true, i went to Tokyo 2 weeks ago ("low season" if Tokyo has one), Stayed in Shinjuku (most Hostbars are there and less Travelexpenses for the Boys.) but Prices are crazy for the tiny room you get (take easily +/-100EURO/Night). I come back to Pattaya because you get such better rooms for (seriously) 50% lower prices. Same Hotel i stayed already went 100EURO up if i wanted to book again now. But i must admit Japanese are more my type...
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armando i guess an apology is in order, always been told that Japan was kinda closed tp foreigners when it came to gay bars etc...i feel now i need to visit, even if only for a short trip combined with a trip to Thailand
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How much is the average short time in Japan?
Sites i used (and Armando provided pics of above) ask just under 100USD for 1 Hour. (some do special deals) Dont know about Freelancers.
I feel i should say for those interested, to read the rules of the Sites.
Most do allow the Boys to refuse to Bottom even if their profile says they are a Bottom, since you are not allowed to "Damage" them.
I had around 10 boys during my week in Tokyo and only 2 would grab Lotion and a Condom to put on me.
Personally i dont mind since i prefer Oral over Anal anyway, but for those who want Anal...if you are to big, they can refuse. (just a head's up)
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I visited Siracha to check it out one time as a possible retirement place. Shortly after checking into the hotel I was informed by other visitors that the gogo bars (which are all girl gogo's) are mostly private membership for Japanese people only. Apparently there's a lot of Japanese in Siracha servicing the automotive plants there. I checked out of the hotel and never even stayed one night...555
I also heard from a friend who took a 2 week holiday in Tokyo primarily to check out the gay venues that the prices were over-the-top, and that the best places (with the best boys) were closed to foreigners. Go figure!
Armando...update appreciated.
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prices were over-the-top, and that the best places (with the best boys) were closed to foreigners. Go figure!
Personally i didnt bother going to those venue's since indeed some are "Japanese Only" from what i heard. Even bars/restaurants can be "Japanese Only".
Websites are no problem. But maybe Armando knows more ?
(I heard because their English is bad, they dont allow Non-Japanese, dont know if true)
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If you look at the boy websites for Tokyo, you will see that prices a very reasonable. Less than London. Speaking personally I have always found plenty of attractive boys, who perform as requested!
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Dodger
How much is the average short time in Japan?
Most host bars in Tokyo seem to quote ¥15000 = USD100, although some are 13000. More expensive than Thailand but remember no off fee, in most cases no drinks and absolutely no tip. You can also pay by credit card. Not at all unreasonable in my view. You may be asked for travel money which will be quoted in advance but only if your hotel is really far away from the bar premises. Worth remembering that subway and overland rail tickets within the Tokyo area are very inexpensive - 45-50 baht.
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latintopxxx
armando i guess an apology is in order, always been told that Japan was kinda closed tp foreigners when it came to gay bars etc...i feel now i need to visit, even if only for a short trip combined with a trip to Thailand
None necessary but thanks. What you describe is very much the Japan of 20 years or more ago. I decided to take a few days in Tokyo after changing planes there several times. The first time was a little confusing but thanks to a cute Japanese I met thereafter it was pretty easy.
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Personally i didnt bother going to those venue's since indeed some are "Japanese Only" from what i heard. Even bars/restaurants can be "Japanese Only". (I heard because their English is bad, they dont allow Non-Japanese, dont know if true)
It's certainly true that many bars will not permit foreigners. I believe that's for 2 reasons. 1) most bars are tiny accommodating little more than 12- 15 and most of them will be regular customers. I was also told the no foreigners rule is because the regulars may speak little or no English or other foreign language. The mamasans want to maintain harmony within the regular group. It seems few Japanese like to go bar hopping as we would in Thailand. They have one bar and stick mostly to it. 2) In many Japanese bars in addition to your requested drink you get a small snack. At first this seems very kind, until you get the bill and find you have to pay for it! Never heard of or come across restaurants being Japanese only.
On the other hand in Shinjuku ni-chome there are bars which happily welcome foreigners and larger bars open to the little streets (where snacks are not served).One of the longest established and friendliest for foreigners and Japanese who like to be with foreigners is the basement bar GB in the ni-chome gay bar district. Another is the oddly named Arty-Farty. Streetside there are several including Airro the cafe/bar. The vdo below has a Japanese and a western guy introducing various bars and other places in ni-chome, including one which now has go-go boys at the week-ends.
https://gb-tokyo.com
https://www.artyfarty.jp
https://tokyo.gaycities.com/bars/2112-aiiro-cafe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR55mcAzIy0
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One very important thing to remember is not to get involved with the host bars for girls. These tend to be located in the seedier Kabukicho district also in Shinjuku. There sex is of much less importance than 'face', booze and cash - i.e. the boys getting as much cash out of the girls as possible. The video interviews a girl who loves being with the No. 1 host in Japan. She once paid USD110,000 in cash to the bar for a crystal magnum decanter of Louis XIII cognac. It starts with the same guy rolling up in a white sports car which a customer bought for him - about USD370,000!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuTD0z_Ji_c&t=30s
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It's certainly true that many bars will not permit foreigners. I believe that's for 2 reasons. 1) most bars are tiny accommodating little more than 12- 15 and most of them will be regular customers. I was also told the no foreigners rule is because the regulars may speak little or no English or other foreign language. The mamasans want to maintain harmony within the regular group. It seems few Japanese like to go bar hopping as we would in Thailand. They have one bar and stick mostly to it. 2) In many Japanese bars in addition to your requested drink you get a small snack. At first this seems very kind, until you get the bill and find you have to pay for it! Never heard of or come across restaurants being Japanese only.
On the other hand in Shinjuku ni-chome there are bars which happily welcome foreigners and larger bars open to the little streets (where snacks are not served).One of the longest established and friendliest for foreigners and Japanese who like to be with foreigners is the basement bar GB in the ni-chome gay bar district. Another is the oddly named Arty-Farty. Streetside there are several including Airro the cafe/bar. The vdo below has a Japanese and a western guy introducing various bars and other places in ni-chome, including one which now has go-go boys at the week-ends.
Thank You, i actually already follow them on Youtube, even passed them on my 1st trip to Tokyo...but was to shocked to actually say hello :rolleyes:.
Well i only heard about "Japanese Only" on occasion. I avoid restaurants in Tokyo because i dont like Tokyo's favorite sport : Standing in line to get inside any building. I preferred Fastfood or a snack from the shops. I do remember them saying some Gay Danceclubs also dont allow Tourists or people of certain looks (Plus-Size or certain Age Groups) and nothing you can do about it, just accept it. I still like Tokyo but i look forward going to Pattaya soon.
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Armando
One very important thing to remember is not to get involved with the host bars for girls. These tend to be located in the seedier Kabukicho district also in Shinjuku. There sex is of much less importance than 'face', booze and cash - i.e. the boys getting as much cash out of the girls as possible. The video interviews a girl who loves being with the No. 1 host in Japan. She once paid USD110,000 in cash to the bar for a crystal magnum decanter of Louis XIII cognac. It starts with the same guy rolling up in a white sports car which a customer bought for him - about USD370,000!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuTD0z_Ji_c&t=30s
This is what i though every Hostbar was...
So i suppose i can give those in Pattaya a shot afterall.... or are regular bars better ?
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I agree with your comment about Yen15,000, more if you get the boy to come to your hotel. Also if you order more items from the online menu! Also, as you say, Shinjuku, 3-chome has quite a few foreigner friendly bars. I used King of College a lot for boys. And used their rooms, which were always clean! And you don't have to buy the boy a drink, or tip the mama-san!
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Most do allow the Boys to refuse to Bottom even if their profile says they are a Bottom, since you are not allowed to "Damage" them.
I had around 10 boys during my week in Tokyo and only 2 would grab Lotion and a Condom to put on me.
Personally i dont mind since i prefer Oral over Anal anyway, but for those who want Anal...if you are to big, they can refuse. (just a head's up)
Is the implication here 1) you are larger than they like? 2)They were generally not keen on bottoming? 3) they mounted you bareback?
I am average/thick sized (large in thailand/PH, but not colombia). and prefer to bareback my twink men.
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Is the implication here 1) you are larger than they like? 2)They were gerneally not keen on bottoming? 3) they mounted you bareback?
I am average/thick sized (large in thailand/PH, but not colombia). and prefer to bareback my twink men.
Just for clarification: Your post above includes a quote from Max - not from me.
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Just for clarification: Your post above includes a quote from Max - not from me.
I have fixed the quote, Dodger. :)
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I thought it was common knowledge that Japanese keep foreigners at a distance? Reminds me of a story a good firned told me couple months back when he was visiting Osaka. At a computer shop discussing a flyer / specs sheet / something that was on a piece of paper in English. The shop owner would only talk in Japanese while pretending he didn't speak English, all the while pointing at various places on the English document it was obvious he could read the English without problem.
Just wasn't willing to speak English with a foreign white guy. I thought this type of attitude was common knowledge though? ANyway, doesn't surprise me at all many host bars in Japan have a no foreigner policy as that's just how the Japanese culture works, or at least that's what I've always assumed. / heard..
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I thought it was common knowledge that Japanese keep foreigners at a distance?
Just wasn't willing to speak English with a foreign white guy. I thought this type of attitude was common knowledge though? ANyway, doesn't surprise me at all many host bars in Japan have a no foreigner policy as that's just how the Japanese culture works, or at least that's what I've always assumed. / heard..
Thats what i heard to, but i havent experienced it before. But because of that i stick to Websites or (Now that i learned it here) stick to places i KNOW allow foreigners. The same Youtube channel says its very difficult to make Japanese Friends since they tend to stick to Japanese.
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Is the implication here 1) you are larger than they like? 2)They were generally not keen on bottoming? 3) they mounted you bareback?
I am average/thick sized (large in thailand/PH, but not colombia). and prefer to bareback my twink men.
"Sometimes we cannot promise to present comfortable anal play depends on the boys' health condition and the customers' dick size.
Please consent to that case, even if you are the bottom position."
This comes from 1 of the websites. Doesnt really explain why and because the English on the sites is usually not very accurate it makes it more confusing.
Again i prefer Oral so i cant speak from experience...
The sites do say Safe Sex mandatory, so no Bareback (sorry).
Thing about Japan, they dont explain why some rules are there, just that they are and if you dont like them...go someplace else. (Unlike Thailand, they dont NEED Tourists).
Oh what they do have incommon with Thailand Bars, just because a Boy is on the Website, doesnt mean they are working during your stay. They work when they want.
Usually about 1/3 of the boys i like, are actually working during my stay. My fav Boy wasnt working during my stay and they refused to contact him to ask if he had some time. (Even though they did do that last year, dont understand). Maybe why i prefer the "Danshi Gakuen" Site, they show the Schedule of the Boy 1 week in advance.
Average D-size i came across in Japan was 15CM, so if you are unsure if you are to big, you could always mention your size during contacting and ask if its a problem or not.
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armando ignited my curiosity momentarily...you guys have dampened it...seems like its far too complicated...Thailand seems to be so much more customer orientated with pricing to match...one is spoilt for choice between the host b ars, the gogo bars and the plethera of apps...not to mention randoms offnthe street/beach
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latintopxxx
armando ignited my curiosity momentarily...you guys have dampened it...seems like its far too complicated...Thailand seems to be so much more customer orientated with pricing to match...one is spoilt for choice between the host b ars, the gogo bars and the plethera of apps...not to mention randoms offnthe street/beach
My apology if i dampened your curiousity. I just feel because Tokyo is more pricy, i just wanted to be honest and realistic about my own experiences.
So that nobody "wastes" their cash on something that isnt their thing. But my experience isnt the same as others. Maybe Freelancers are more easy, cant say.
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If you have to have a tiny dick to top a Jap (same size as his) - and he's charging you $100 U.S. (3,500 baht) for a one hour session I'd take a pass.
I'd rather have a Thai who spreads his legs and says "mmmmm...I love big cocks" as he smiles devilishly. Not only that, but if you're confined to only one hour you'd be better off staying home and jagging off.
Thailand Rocks!
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Having a menu system, as some sites do, does make things easier. Being Japan the boys look like their pics, and perform as ordered!
It is true that the Japanese, still take the view that we are an inferior race!
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...thats the problem keith...they dont do as ordered...if they think u r too big or whatever they can refuse and as far as i gather still get paid...i do like the menu system but only if it was true...at least in Thailand I have agreed to an engagement ... if he says 'i do everything"...then its party time...otherwise i confirm activities...that he bottoms...kisses...sucks dick...kisses arse...and price...if he fails then i renegotiate...can be soooo funny...so yeah...japanese menu sounds good but only of there is a refund mechnism if he fails...and btw...when they say...oooo you too big...i reply "no you too tight"...