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It seems the Moscow times are reporting a slightly different twist to that report though …. I’ve no idea which is correct, merely posting the article relating to it…..
Russia Claims Sputnik V ‘Robust’ Against Omicron as Independent Study Shows No Antibody Response
Russia claimed its Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine provides “robust” long-term protection against the Omicron variant Friday, contradicting the findings of an independent study which found the Russian jab produced no antibody response whatsoever to the new, highly transmissible variant.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/...esponse-a75861
I see the institute have said they will publish their data backing up their position in 7 days, as to whether that will be data suitable to allow proper international peer review is I guess a whole other question !?
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cdnmatt
Russia has yet to release the data regarding Sputnik to allow it to be peer reviewed, so you can say whatever you wish about Sputnik, nobody outside of Russia cares. Let the scientific community review the data, then people in the international community will start taking it seriously.
Yeah, yeah... nobody, right...
Russia still has population, and deaths per 1 mln is lower than in USA or UK... simple...
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Yeah, yeah... nobody, right...
Russia still has population, and deaths per 1 mln is lower than in USA or UK... simple...
You're the one who keeps quoting "studies" that "prove" Sputnik is better than Pfizer and Modurna. Just telling you, until Russia allows that data to be peer reviewed by the international scientific community, nobody outside of Russia is going to care about Sputnik aside from an outlier here and there.
And considering Russia's vaccination rate, most inside of Russia don't really care about Sputnik either.
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===============nobody outside of Russia is going to care about Sputnik aside from an outlier here and there.
72 countries uses Sputnik, so "nobody cares" is a little bit brave declaration, Matt :))) Over 100 mln doses are already used only in Argentina...
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Just out of interest Moses why is it do YOU think it is that the Russian lab ( or Government perhaps ?) who makes Sputnik WON'T release their data for international peer review ??
Maybe IS it because they fear ( KNOW) that it simply doesn't work OR is it maybe them thinking ( KNOWING ) that actually it works a LOT better than anything the West are producing ( as they are now seeming to be claiming ) and if so they think then that that might gives Russia a strategic political, economic and even military advantage over other Countries in the worldwide fight against Covid ??
Some might say that neither of the two scenarios mentioned above reflect very well on Russia though ?
So, what's your thoughts, what do you think the reason is that so far they haven't allowed any international peer review of Sputnik yet ( just out of interest ?)
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Moses
===============nobody outside of Russia is going to care about Sputnik aside from an outlier here and there.
72 countries uses Sputnik, so "nobody cares" is a little bit brave declaration, Matt :))) Over 100 mln doses are already used only in Argentina...
Sinopharm, J&J, Sputnik Vaccines Are Weaker Against Omicron in New Study - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ron-study-sees
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Every (!) vaccine is weaker. Question is how weak it is. As per Gamaleya research Sputnik is weaker 11 times, while Moderna is weaker 40-89 times (measured by Moderna).
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YMy guy and I are meant to be heading out out in Belfast this weekend with a crowd of friends both to a house party and a full on christmas bar crawl weekend and I have to say I'm starting to wonder if that's such a good idea now. My only saving grace is that where I live is about 2 weeks behind the rest of the UK infection wise so I think i'm going to risk it as one last hurrah for 2021(
Well it seems I was being a bit hopeful there as after having a few symptoms ( blocked nose, ticklish throat, sore head etc - which are all actually quite normal for me as I get sinus problems a lot) I went for a PCR yesterday which confirmed me positive for Covid ! FUCKING GREAT !!
We were literally standing getting dressed to go out to my partners big family Flipino Christmas eve dinner party when the result email came in.
So now instead of us both going out to party and both having a fun Christmas with friends we're both now self isolating at home !
Should be noted that over the last 9 days I've taken FOUR lateral flow tests before going out to any event I'd attended and all can back as clear ! Although after getting that positive PCR just now I took another lateral flow here at home and it did instantly come back as positive too, so either I've been taking them incorrectly or maybe it's just a recent infection thing, I'm not sure how that works.
But do keep that in mind as it seems that lateral flows are far from perfect perhaps in their results so if you've any sort of symptoms and you're going anywhere that matters ( to visit old people etc etc) do think of grabbing a quick PCR test just to be sure you're good to go.
FUCK you and your shitty timing Covid !!
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"I went for a PCR yesterday which confirmed me positive for Covid !"
Yes, you and about 1.7m UK based others are now self isolating due to basically a heavy cold. Time to put this fucking thing to bed and get on with life.
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I am so sorry for you and your partner Nirish. I wish you a speedy recovery and a much better new year ahead. Please take care of each other.
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Yes, you and about 1.7m UK based others are now self isolating due to basically a heavy cold..
Well all I can tell you from personal experience is thank goodness I have had all 3 vaccines as it feels shit enough even with that so I wouldn't be rushing to have it without - and to describe it as a heavy cold is just over simplifying things somewhat and doesn't really help as of course some people will have issues that make it feel much worse than that and some not so much.
Thankfully so far I'm one of the not so much guys but I can tell you after exerting myself in an minor way ( like gently washing the car etc) i certainly knew about it and had to stop to recatch my breath and I'm vaguely young and fit (ish) so I can quite easily understand how an more elderly / unfit person maybe wouldn't feel like that. And I'm not trying to OVER dramatise things either there btw as IF omicron is a lesser form of things then I'm all for the lets open up and get on with it style of view.
But it IS smart IMHO that governments are taking a more cautious approach just now until we know what we're dealing with, not even just from a health point of view but also from various supply chains breaking down by people being off / infecting other people so easily and quickly ( IF) that turns out to be the case. But if it's not then yeah, open up and be damned I say too - once we know what we're dealing with.
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I expect your immune system will be nicely tuned up after 3 vaccines and a dose of live vaccine.
Anyone who has a few years ahead of them is likely to get COVID quite a few times, so I think we had better get used to the idea and live with it.
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Awful news, Nirish.
Thank God you had the sense to get vaccinated.
Take care and I hope you make a full and speedy recovery.
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[QUOTE=goji;285730]I expect your immune system will be nicely tuned up after 3 vaccines and a dose of live vaccine.
Yep, thats one plus point for sure as I wouldn't fancy picking this up WITHOUT any vaccines in my system to minimise the effects.
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Anyone who has a few years ahead of them is likely to get COVID quite a few times, so I think we had better get used to the idea and live with it.
And again yep I think you're probably right there too - so again anyone who's thinking of "braving it out" in not having their vaccine ( for whatever non medical reason) I would urge that they perhaps re think that idea as instead of it BEING something that's inconvenient and something to just take care with for a week or two it could well end up as something more serious and THATS the reason to get vaccinated IMHO.
As an aside to this my partner has tested negative in all of the lateral flow tests that he's taken up right up until now. He's a health care worker so has been very cautious re all of that ( as had I actually) so he's just left to got for a PCR test ( what a way to spend bloody Christmas day :-( ) so it will be interesting to see it's result.
I'd mentioned I'd taken 4 lateral flow tests and was wondering were they just totally useless but purely to test that theory I've now taken two since my PCR result and both did come back positive so it seems they DO actually work and it seems that my PCR test was just well timed to catch it early and there may have been a few days incubation period from picking it up to it showing on any test ( not that it makes much difference).
The scarier thing is reaction of friends who i'd been with over the week when I've quietly called them to suggest they go get a test and perhaps at the least keep away from older people for the 24hrs until they get the result ( Christmas aside ) to get a flat "Na, fuck it, Im going on out, i dont care" - and whilst I get the whole "oh life has to get going stuff" to deny there is a physical issue and a virus that IS doing the rounds, that we dont know much about right now, is to me at the least irresponsible and more of them just being totally selfish cunts towards the rest of their friends, family and society in general. But that's on them I guess - while they're possibly busy out there infecting god knows how many other people with their "I know better / I just dont give a fuck attitude" :-(
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If you're scared of Covid, try doing what this guy did:
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-new-zeal...ots/a-60088319
heh, I still find that funny. Some guy went and got 10 shots in a single day.
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Some guy went and got 10 shots in a single day.
Being scared of sobering up once on a weekend "away with the lads" I seem to recall doing something similar, only difference being it was "aftershocks" instead of Astra Zenica ! :)
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A friend of mine got minor symptoms and so did 2 lateral flow tests. Both positive.
He then went for the PCR test and that was positive too.
The symptoms soon went but he had to stay at home for the mandatory 10 days isolation. As his aged mother was in the house he isolated alone in his bedroom.
After a week he began to think he would follow government advice which is to clean all the hard surfaces to kill the bug. Basically it’s an alcohol mix.
So he got hold of a bottle of something good, swirled it around his mouth, gargled with it, and eventually finished the whole bottle. He went to bed pissed as a rat, but with a very clean throat.
Next day he did the flow tests (down the throat type of test) and passed!
As he had to pass two tests in a row, he repeated the procedure the next day too.
Another pass, but with a hangover!
He is all clear now.
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whenever I get a cold/flu I gargle with a warm salt solution at least 10 times a day...it weakens the severity and shortens the duration; usually the worst symptoms onky last a day...after that its 2 to 3 days of mild sniffles...guess the salt solution helps keep the volume of bugs in youyr throat/mouth/nasal passage down.
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Whats your point, that government should be issuing bottles of whiskey or vodka ?? f so I have to say I'm all for that, Not sure it'll help but it's the way I've decided to pass my time once "positive" ;-)
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Whats your point, that government should be issuing bottles of whiskey or vodka ?? f so I have to say I'm all for that, Not sure it'll help but it's the way I've decided to pass my time once "positive" ;-)
Why not? They recommend disinfectants (which contain alcohol) and hand sanitizers with a MINIMUM of 60% alcohol.
So if alcohol gets rid of germs on work surfaces and your hands then surely it will work on your throat too?!
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Why not? They recommend disinfectants (which contain alcohol) and hand sanitizers with a MINIMUM of 60% alcohol.
So if alcohol gets rid of germs on work surfaces and your hands then surely it will work on your throat too?!
As I recall the “protect yourself from COVID by washing your hands and avoid touching surfaces” was advice based on an incorrect assumption that this coronavirus was similar to the Spanish flu. It isn’t so all of that advice is irrelevant
However I do have a friend who swears by snorting Listerine. No, I don’t know how he does it either and I’ve no wish to find out
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If you think listerine kills Covid, you should take Trump's advice and just drink some Clorox while you're at it.
Could have been mouthwash.... or his immune system, one or the other.
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[QUOTE=gerefan2;285757So if alcohol gets rid of germs on work surfaces and your hands then surely it will work on your throat too?![/QUOTE]
Having been "on it" all day Im all for that and am wondering ! is there a government grant I can get to help for research purposes perhaps ! :-)
PS for the avoidance of doubt I've had to type this message slowly and with one eye closed :-)
Happy Christmas to one and all !
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Having been "on it" all day Im all for that and am wondering ! is there a government grant I can get to help for research purposes perhaps ! :-)
PS for the avoidance of doubt I've had to type this message slowly and with one eye closed :-)
Happy Christmas to one and all !
I'm with you. If alcohol keeps me immune from Covid, then I'm pretty sure I'm good to go, haha.
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cdnmatt
I'm with you. If alcohol keeps me immune from Covid, then I'm pretty sure I'm good to go, haha.
Another ignorant post from the Forum 10 year old
https://www.studyfinds.org/listerine...ctivate-covid/
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/certain...s-transmission
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Another ignorant post from the Forum 10 year old
Don't be stupid, Listerine doesn't cure a lung infection.
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read an article about some over the counter nasal spray that was effective at reducing the covid virus...so dont rule out anectodal stories about listerine
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Listerine can help just a little bit: it can kill viruses what just landed into your mouth before they will intrude into your body. But for protection you should use listerine every few minutes and you should breath by mouth only.
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Listerine is strongly recommended for active people like this naughty Santa Klaus...
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So if alcohol gets rid of germs on work surfaces and your hands then surely it will work on your throat too?!
Trust me I put that theory to the test and then some last night and actually I do feel a bit better today ( albeit as hung over as hell of course ! :-)
As an aside my partners PCR result arrived by email half an hour ago and perhaps unsurprisingly it seems for once I DID give him something original and something he's never had before for Christmas this year as he too has now tested positive, thankfully him with no symptoms so far anyway it seems.
Knowing him as I do though I will now be soon expecting a full range of drama queen "Im terrribly sick you know" acts to follow shortly lol - ha he knows he's playing it to the wrong gallery there though as my sympathy levels with him re the likes of that are usually close to around zero at the best of times as I've heard it all so many times before of course ! :-)
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Christmas in the NIrish household certainly sounds like lots of fun.
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Christmas in the NIrish household certainly sounds like lots of fun.
Not far off the mark there perhaps :)
Actually we'd a lovely Christmas day here :-) We'd peace and quiet to do our own thing, no one "calling in" with presents or "for a wee drink" ( and staying for hours), so my partner and I cooked a lovely christmas dinner and I proceeded to get slowly and merrily hammered as the day went on and we ended up singing karaoke songs on the new mic thing I'd bought him for Christmas until about 3am - I'm sure the neighbours just loved us ! :-) So as Christmas days go as there was no family dramas, no burnt diners and no annoying friends and neighbours "popping in" it was actually one of the better ones I've had in a while :-)
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Christmas in the NIrish household certainly sounds like lots of fun.
NIrish screaming "Harold!"
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NIrish screaming "Harold!"
And his partner shouting' You dirrrrty old man" - so yeah, as I said, not to far off the mark :-)
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Great to see you still have your sense of humour Nirish, despite your situation.
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...do think of grabbing a quick PCR test just to be sure you're good to go.
Grab a quick PCR test? Where I tested by PCR (Germany, Cambodia, Thailand), they cost about 100 EUR and results come back in 24 hours.
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They’re free in the UK and available on a walk in service with results in 24 hours or less. Likewise boxes of lateral flow tests are also free for all citizens who request them.