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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Originally Posted by
Manforallseasons
Some bars maybe taking steps to reopen in December however, the infection rate will dictate wether or not they reopen not wishful thinking.
Everyone, including bar owners, staff, patrons, TAT, the city council, etc. are all hoping for the same thing - that the infection rates can be controlled so these businesses can reopen and stay open. No argument there.
Covid has had 20 months to rule-the-roost and I think it's time for people to start putting things back into motion. I just wish a higher percentage of people over here were vaccinated, but, it is what it is.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Dodger
Everyone, including bar owners, staff, patrons, TAT, the city council, etc. are all hoping for the same thing - that the infection rates can be controlled so these businesses can reopen and stay open. No argument there.
Covid has had 20 months to rule-the-roost and I think it's time for people to start putting things back into motion. I just wish a higher percentage of people over here were vaccinated, but, it is what it is.
The easiest way to reduce the infection rate is to stop counting them. Quietly, unofficially, I'm pretty sure a lot of countries are not proactively counting cases now.
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"The easiest way to reduce the infection rate is to stop counting them. Quietly, unofficially, I'm pretty sure a lot of countries are not proactively counting cases now."
Yep. Not a bad idea. The UK had 40000 cases the other day and just carried on as normal.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Old git
The easiest way to reduce the infection rate is to stop counting them. Quietly, unofficially, I'm pretty sure a lot of countries are not proactively counting cases now.
If Thailand is still running the policy of sending everyone who fails a covid test to a "field hospital", then that is proactively discouraging people from getting tested.
If you're vaccinated & have very mild symptoms, are you going to stay at home or get a test and risk incarceration in a hospital ?
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Old git
The easiest way to reduce the infection rate is to stop counting them. Quietly, unofficially, I'm pretty sure a lot of countries are not proactively counting cases now.
if we are going to start "living with COVID" then new infections is probably not the best metric to focus on anyway - new hospital admissions and new ICU/ventilator numbers are a much better indicator of how well a country is coping, and if vaccination rates and social measures are working these figures should be decoupled from new infection rates anyway.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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bkkguy
if we are going to start "living with COVID"
So few people are getting it a second time, it may not be able to remain endemic in the human population, and may well die out. The trouble with that is that sets in store a possible re-run in fifty years time. With a bit of luck it will become endemic in the animal kingdom, occasionally breaking out amongst children, mostly asymptomatically.
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As promised, pics taken this morning around the gay venues in Pattaya. Will show on separate posts.
Below:
Soi Day/Night Massage (next to Tukcom)
Green Chair Bar Owner (Sunee Plaza) - poised to reopen.
Guy Guy Boy Bar - Jomtien Complex - poised to reopen.
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Pic's continued:
Dorothy's Show Bar - Jomtien Complex - poised to reopen
Sun Bar - Jomtien Complex - poised to reopen
Home Bar - Jomtien Complex - poised to revert back to beer bar and reopen
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Pics continued:
The Venue - Jomtien Complex
Jomtien Complex Massage - Open
Salt & Pepper - Bordeaux Restaurants Soi Day/Night - Open
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Pics continued:
Jomtien Complex
Little Planet Restaurant - Soi Day/Night
Nice Boys Gogo - Sunee Plaza
Winner Boys Bar - Sunee Plaza
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Pics continued:
Sun Bar - Jomtien Complex - poised to reopen
Boyztown - status unknown
Panorama/Boyztown - status unknown
Ambiance Restaurant - Boyztown - status unknown
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
Note, that in the pics above, the covered signs in some of the Boyztown bars is not an indication that they are closed for good. Signs in certain jurisdictions in Pattaya must be covered by the owner(s) by law to prevent being taxed.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
Great photos, Dodger.
Thanks for making the effort for us.
Seeing all those empty venues is really sad, but I live in hope that things will improve by April next year, in time for the border in and out of Western Australia to be open.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
Much appreciated.
Incidentally, I've just received an email from The Agate saying that they expect to open on 15th November. Other hotels likewise, perhaps?
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Correction to Post # 47.
I entered the name "Guy Guy Bar" in error. The bar in the pic is "Adonis" which is next door to Guy Guy.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Originally Posted by
Oliver2
Much appreciated.
Incidentally, I've just received an email from The Agate saying that they expect to open on 15th November. Other hotels likewise, perhaps?
I haven't spoke with any hotel owners and don't know.
I assume others will be reopening during this fourth quarter as well, but you would be best to check with them directly (if possible).
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Mosaic never closed they only have a few rooms occupied by long term expats, it was always popular as it was well situated to Sunee and Boystown however, I imagine for the few brave souls attempting to come hotels near the complex would be preferable.
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https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...ies-from-nov-1
So have i understood this correctly:
Bars(and alcohol sales) not allowed before 1st December. but Thailand to open the tourist floodgates on 1st November?
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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homeseeker
Yes, floodgates open Nov 1. Bars open/alcohol sales hopefully after Dec 1 - but not confirmed.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Dodger
Yes, floodgates open Nov 1..
Based on where the rest of the world is at too just now you might find that that is perhaps more of a trickle than a flood, certainly that the start at least perhaps. I wouldn't be going and popping any champagne corks JUST yet maybe.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Dodger
I just wish a higher percentage of people over here were vaccinated, but, it is what it is.
Our vaccination rate is 83% in the Netherlands. We have 20% of Thailand's population but 50% of their daily new infections.
When I look at the different countries in the world and how they handle this pandemic, I can honestly say that I've lost the plot.
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It doesn't look good for Pattaya.
Jai just translated the PM speaking on TV at a news brief this afternoon where he apparently unveiled the plan.
Only four areas in Thailand (coded blue) will have alcohol bans lifted and Pattaya isn't one of them. Jai said the PM mentioned Phuket, Bangkok (certain districts), Pang nga and Krabi.
I hope Jai was misinterpreting this.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
It's OK with opening the bars but unless the tourists start returning in large numbers , the expats cant keep them all going
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Originally Posted by
Dodger
Only four areas in Thailand (coded blue) will have alcohol bans lifted and Pattaya isn't one of them.
Let's see - the Pattaya bars can open December 1, but can't serve alcohol? Really?
If they actually do this, is anyone having any trouble figuring out the next item to be placed on my "I Don't Get It" list?
I don't suppose there was any word on why the alcohol ban won't be lifted, was there - or when it will be lifted?
If it actually does happen this way - I would think every bar owner in all of Pattaya plus their employees will be raising holy hell.
I find it very difficult to believe this really is going to happen. It makes no sense. In my opinion, from among the most incredibly inexplicable decisions I've ever seen Thailand make, this one would definitely have a place in the top ten.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Originally Posted by
Dodger
It doesn't look good for Pattaya.
Jai just translated the PM speaking on TV at a news brief this afternoon where he apparently unveiled the plan.
Only four areas in Thailand (coded blue) will have alcohol bans lifted and Pattaya isn't one of them. Jai said the PM mentioned Phuket, Bangkok (certain districts), Pang nga and Krabi.
I hope Jai was misinterpreting this.
I think we need to make sure exactly what the position is from a trusted source, like Richard Barrow, before hyperventilating.(No offence Dodger)
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
https://www.thaipbsworld.com/curfew-...es-from-nov-1/
Seems you can drink in EATERIES ONLY from 1 NOVEMBER, but, as Dodger says, Pattaya is not on the list.
Only BKK Phuket Krabi and Phang-Nga.
No mention of bars.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Originally Posted by
Dodger
It doesn't look good for Pattaya.
Jai just translated the PM speaking on TV at a news brief this afternoon where he apparently unveiled the plan.
Only four areas in Thailand (coded blue) will have alcohol bans lifted and Pattaya isn't one of them. Jai said the PM mentioned Phuket, Bangkok (certain districts), Pang nga and Krabi.
I hope Jai was misinterpreting this.
This is the latest update from the Bangkok Post confirming the above information posted by Dodger . . .
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Bangkok booze ban to be lifted
'Blue zone' tourism designation for four provinces means alcohol can be sold in restaurants from Monday
published : 29 Oct 2021 at 17:39 writer: Online Reporters
Restaurants in Bangkok will be allowed to sell alcohol starting on Monday, as the capital has been designated a "blue" tourist zone with fewer Covid restrictions, alongside Krabi, Phangnga and Phuket.
But even as authorities prepare to ease up on some Covid rules, they are taking steps to keep anti-government protesters at bay as the reopening to international visitors approaches.
An announcement published on the Royal Gazette on Friday bans any public gathering "in a manner that could spread the virus". Violators face two years' imprisonment and/or a fine of not more than 40,000 baht. The announcement, signed by Gen Chalermpol Srisawasdi as head of a Covid-19 team, takes effect on Monday . . .
For the full article see: Bangkok Post
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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Gaybutton
Let's see - the Pattaya bars can open December 1, but can't serve alcohol? Really?.
Perhaps we're all missing the point and the Thai government aren't so daft after all as perhaps they're working off that well trotted out "fact"? that there's MUCH more profit on soft drinks than there is on alcohol and in fact bar owners would and should be delighted if we were all sitting drinking nothing but Coke all night ( personally I doubt that whole more profit thing and who wants to drink 6 pints of coke on a night out .....but still)
So MAYBE this is their serious attempt at quickly and vastly increasing the profits in all of the tills in the bars they had to close right across Thailand !
( note my tongue is firmly lodged in my cheek as I type this as the phrase piss up and brewery and couldn't organise comes to mind quicker perhaps :) )
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Why is Bangkok IN and Pattaya OUT of the "Blue Covid Zone"*.
Is there any fundamental reason, like higher per capita infection rates in Pattaya ? Or is it just that the powers that be dislike Pattaya and will keep the squeeze on for as long as possible ? From what I recall, Pattaya was treated more harshly than Bangkok with the red zoning earlier in the year, if looking at infection rates per capita.
Note: Here I am referring to "Blue Covid Zone" as in covid Pilot Tourism/Sandbox zones, based on the table posted by Gerefan. Which are apparently different to the 17 Blue Zone Sandbox destinations for tourists ? It would have been helpful had they come up with a different colour for the latter.
(which for avoidance of confusion appears to be different to the 17(?) Blue Zones for tourists on sansbox.
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You guys are so getting your knickers in a twist dissecting and interpreting every announcement, statement and even the commentary by others on every statement and announcement. It can't be long before we hear the taxi driver's view on what the government's position will be, as if he has a hot line!
Chill, deep breaths, what will be will be. Don't blame Thailand for the uncertainty, the same absence of solid parameters exist worldwide. Let's see how it pans out and adjust accordingly.
As Pot, the partner of one of the best posters and previous owner of this forum advised, as they were heading for and delayed for a train departure. "You can't change which way the ball will bounce". That's life, any anyone who understand anything about Thailand, or life, will understand that.
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
Can bars which decide to serve some food as a new promotion be classified as eateries? I recall being told to eat stew in a gay club in Manchester, uk, on Sunday nights in the 1980's for this reason. And it worked.
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Brad the Impala
Don't blame Thailand for the uncertainty, the same absence of solid parameters exist worldwide. Let's see how it pans out and adjust accordingly.
I don't agree! There are many holiday destinations that don't change their policies every other week. Thailand is the most unreliable country on my list of countries I would like to visit. They seem totally incompetent in handling reopening their country that shouldn't have been this closed, to begin with.
It's easy to say "that's just Thailand being Thailand," but I rather call them out.
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According to the Bangkok Post, here is what is actually going on:
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Pattaya booze ban stays, operators peeved
Resort city worried about diminished appeal to foreigners as tourism gears up
by Chaiyot Pupattanapong
29 October, 2021
Local tourism operators are upset that the popular resort city has been left off a short list of places where alcohol sales will be allowed in restaurants starting on Monday.
Pattaya deserves to be included in a four-province cluster where restaurants will have permission to sell alcoholic beverages to patrons, said Boon-anant Pattanasin, president of the Pattaya Business and Tourism Association.
He made the comment after the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration said that eateries in Bangkok, Krabi, Phangnga and Phuket would be the only places allowed to sell beer, wine and the like from Monday in line with the reopening of the country to travellers.
Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has said that authorities hope to be able to allow alcohol sales in restaurants and other venues nationwide from Dec 1, as the country gears up for the year-end festive season.
Pattaya risked losing an edge to compete with other tourism provinces, even though the city is among the leading destinations in the country for foreigners, Mr Boon-anant said.
He said Covid cases in Pattaya were fewer than Bangkok but the alcohol ban was being lifted in the capital. The spread of the virus in Chon Buri province also tended to be concentrated in factory clusters outside Pattaya, he added.
Chon Buri on Friday reported 382 new cases, the provincial public health office reported. Sri Racha district had the most new infections with 90, while Bang Lamung, where Pattaya is located, logged 48.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...erators-peeved
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What the PM's announcement didn't make clear is if these "Code Blue" provisions would (or could) be expanded over time to include other provinces (or districts).
In Thailand, major decisions like this ALWAYS INCLUDE huge information gaps, which is actually by design. The fewer number of actual details and personal commitments in any proposal or plan limits the amount of accountability for the results of the actions taken. Creating knowledge gaps like this is used strategically to create chaos and confusion, which, for people who choose to operate this way, is the key to success: 1) Keep them confused . 2) Shield the true objectives. 3) Take credit if things work. 4) Blame no one at the top if they don't.
I imagine if enough tourists come during high season they'll keep the alcohol bans in Pattaya in place. If not, then it's back to the drawing board to think of new ways to create chaos and confusion to get the ball rolling again.
I guess I'll have to phone Tong the Taxi Driver to find out what's really going on.
Welcome to Thailand!
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Re: Bars to Open on December 1st ???
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goji
Why is Bangkok IN and Pattaya OUT of the "Blue Covid Zone"*.
If the PM's Council was using Risk Management tools when making these decisions (and one would assume they were), Pattaya, with only 5 hospitals, would end up being a much higher risk factor than Bangkok with it's 50 hospitals. Maybe this had something to do with their decision.
They already know that there's going to be an increase in covid numbers when tourists start arriving, but what has to be keeping them up at night is having the medical capacity to handle the increase.
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That is exactly it Dodger. Their fear is a Pattaya overrun with cases, the hospitals swamped and both Thais and foreign tourists dying in the streets.
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arsenal
Their fear is a Pattaya overrun with cases, the hospitals swamped and both Thais and foreign tourists dying in the streets.
Can you just imagine the impact that would have on future tourism in Thailand!!! I bet they can imagine it.
Asa Butterfield would never be stymied with such trivial nonsense. He would just grab a boy and a few bottles of Coka Cola and head to the beach for a fun day of frolicking under the sun.
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Looking at case numbers over the past while, I find it hard to believe bars will be open again in a month.
There were some encouraging signs there and looked like things were on the decline with multiple days dropping all the way into the 7000s. Now we're back into the 90002 and have been for a while.
Besides, I get my booster in January, so think I'll hang out here for that anyway.