"We don't know if we will survive" say Thai Sex Workers in Chonburi

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Originally Posted by arsenal

I'm going to say this Christian. Living off of your parents money and living the life of an efete 19th century poet means you're simply not qualified to offer financial advice to anybody and certainly not a South East Asian sex worker.

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Sometimes I think this is the way that all Thai boys view farang.

To them, we're all rich and spoiled with pampered lifestyles to begin with. And the fact that we give them so much money (in their terms) for receiving so little in a return (a one hour roll in the hay) makes us a bit naïve and gullible in their eyes as well.

In their eyes, they're not the ones who need financial advice - WE are.

dodger....do u think the gogos live under a rock....???...they all have access to TV/internet/MTV...they know how we live in the west/japan/korea....etc...they are fully aware that bht1000 is the price of a mains in an average restaurant back home...u must still think that the natives are all stooopid and uneducated

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

.they are fully aware that bht1000 is the price of a mains in an average restaurant back home...

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BUT they are not fully aware that bht6000 is the price of a fuck in an average city back home...

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

dodger....do u think the gogos live under a rock....???...they all have access to TV/internet/MTV...they know how we live in the west/japan/korea....etc...they are fully aware that bht1000 is the price of a mains in an average restaurant back home...u must still think that the natives are all stooopid and uneducated

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You're missing my point.

They know exactly what our money buys us back in our homelands...no argument there. But the fact that we can spend 1000 baht on a meal without batting an eye makes us appear wealthy to them, as compared to their standards.

The average working boy see's farang as being wealthy...spoiled (having everything that they want)...and being terrible at managing money, solely based on what they see farang spending on sex (and other obsessions). They appreciate it, don't get me wrong, but according to what I've heard from the working boys who I've befriended over the years, this is how the average farang is viewed.

The irony here, is that they're absolutely right.

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Originally Posted by gerefan2

You’ve probably heard this before but if they can give good financial advice why didn’t they listen to themselves and retire years ago?!

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Some do and manage to retire at around 50, off their own earnings & investments. Others even earlier.

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Originally Posted by gerefan2

BUT they are not fully aware that bht6000 is the price of a fuck in an average city back home...

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Probably just as well, as ultimately the price is set by the local market. Anyone going to Pattaya does not expect to be paying Zurich prices for food, hotels and hookers.
Those working in Thailand should optimize to maximize income in the local market, unless of course they can find some loophole which allows them to go and work in a high income country. Which seems to be very rare.

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Originally Posted by goji

Those working in Thailand should optimize to maximize income in the local market,

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Let's not forget the fact that the money they charge for short-time sex is sometimes - what's referred to as a "loss-leader". Where the tip is appreciated, but they're more interested in the long-term residual financial benefits., This is where those regular monthly contributions start hitting his bank account when the farang is back in his home country.

I would wager, that on average, the tips a working boy earns are probably slightly less than half of his total earnings. That's just throwing a dart of course..as each boy has his own earning potential.

Thai sex workers have been honing their skills at this for centuries.

I overheard a farang talking in a bar once who was ecstatic over the fact that he was enjoying wonderful sex with a bar boy who was shacking up with him for the entire length of his holiday and only giving him 500 baht a day for his services. Ten minutes later he was showing his friends pictures of the house he just had built for the boys mother. What was really amusing (to me anyway) was later that evening the farang's "boy" walked into the bar with a swagger like Captain Jack Sparrow wearing a gold necklace that was so heavy he could hardly hold his head up straight...LOL.

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Originally Posted by gerefan2

BUT they are not fully aware that bht6000 is the price of a fuck in an average city back home...

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I also don't think our friends in Thailand understand that for many of us, sex in their country is an absolute bargain - at home I'm paying around 5 times what I pay in Pattaya. Mind you, nobody has ever asked me about how much I pay in Australia. So I'm happy to spend a little extra by taking them out to nice restaurants of their choice and buying them some clothes. Nothing over the top but just an extra way of thanking them. And I still come out on top.

Dodger's observation regarding how the boys see us as being wealthy and spoilt is spot on, IMHO. As for being seen as "naive" or "gullible", I'm not so sure. Maybe they see us as being generous because they know we can well afford to be. In which case I'm surprised they don't charge us more!

Shhh...

True enough but there are also misapprehensions on the part of the Thais. They see how much we spend on air travel and usually on hotels and these expenses, to them, are so enormous compared to how their parents live that they assume we have unlimited wealth. Few of us do, and this is particularly true of some expats.

I spent a lot of time trying to get through to P that my income, totally dependent on pensions, is more than adequate for what I do in Thailand and for supporting him but is not unlimited. I think- and hope- that he understands this but I still use certain manoeuvres to hammer it home. For example, if he wants large amount- most recently for a new motor cycle, the cost of which was way beyond his resources- I told him he must wait a few weeks until I had money in my account.

One of his friends visited his falang in London a few years ago. It was not a success. The falang lived in a small apartment in the suburbs. Not an interesting area by any description. The Thai was left alone while the falang worked and he was bored, there was little for them to do, the falang couldn't spend money like he did on his annual holiday, was too tired in the evening anyway....and so on. But most of all, the living standards weren't what he expected. A cramped flat in a tower block surprised and disappointed him after experiencing 4* hotels in Pattaya.

So.. when WILL Thailand get back to tourist normal?

Vaccination seems really good at reducing severity, but if it was good at stopping spread, the UK would be post-Covid by now. In the UK, a snapshot survey of people around the country suggested that most won't know if they've got it because they won't bother to test if they only have mild symptoms, and more telling, most said that if they tested positive, they wouldn't formally become a statistic and put people through the grief being pinged. There's a strong indication that the reported 200k cases per week is probably a million or more.

With around 96% showing antibodies, that has to be a lot of people with antibodies getting infected now - but so far, people getting the bug more than once is very rare, so there's hope that once the great majority have had an encounter with the real McCoy, as opposed to the vaccine, cases will subside.

What is the real number in Thailand? is 150k recorded cases per week really one million? Maybe two million..?

In Europe, Covid fatigue is setting in - people are getting resigned to living with it, and getting their lives back.

- When will Thailand buy the same narrative, and open the tourist flood gates again?

Are they ready to lose another high season - or not..?

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Originally Posted by Old git

So.. when WILL Thailand get back to tourist normal?

Vaccination seems really good at reducing severity, but if it was good at stopping spread, the UK would be post-Covid by now. In the UK, a snapshot survey of people around the country suggested that most won't know if they've got it because they won't bother to test if they only have mild symptoms, and more telling, most said that if they tested positive, they wouldn't formally become a statistic and put people through the grief being pinged. There's a strong indication that the reported 200k cases per week is probably a million or more.

With around 96% showing antibodies, that has to be a lot of people with antibodies getting infected now

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"when will Thailand get back to normal" ought to be a separate topic and is worthy of that.

I went into London on the train recently. For the first time since March 2020, the train was nearly full and perhaps less than 10% were wearing masks. Now they have the vaccine, most do not expect to get severe infections and want to get on with their lives as normal. There is so little fear they don't even want to wear a mask. (I wore an FFP2 mask).

I suspect that if Thailand sustains over 0.4m vaccines per day for the rest of the year, they will also be looking to get back to normal later in the year.

Incidentally, the UK antibody stats are for over 18s only. The antibody incidence rate in under 18s is likely to be far lower.

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Incidentally, the UK antibody stats are for over 18s only.

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UK serovalence data is derived from blood donations, which is not a perfect demographic, by any means. However, given the evident incautious interraction of schoolkids out of school in my area ever since the schools returned, I would surmise that if it was going to take off amongst that cohort, it would have done so some time ago. It's a pity they have not been formally surveyed.


Another finding from the snapshot survey was that two thirds of people know someone in their immediate circle of friends and family who have been both double vaxxed and subsequently infected.

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Originally Posted by vnman

I have not read that to be honest. I did read and write that accepting such monies should exclude you from giving financial advice. Especially someone from a developed country who has not been able to create his own financial nest egg but wants to tell someone in a third or developing country how to manage their funds.

At age 18 - 25 we aren't all that financial savvy. I can also imagine that boys in this line of work need some tension release and might overspend. It's hard to put myself in their place.

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I was (financially savvy at the age 18-25, even before).

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Originally Posted by arsenal

I'm going to say this Christian. Living off of your parents money and living the life of an efete 19th century poet means you're simply not qualified to offer financial advice to anybody and certainly not a South East Asian sex worker.

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I worked a few years in my profession, but due to various circumstances beyond the scope of this board, and due to my parents' support, I'm now in kind of early retirement.

Or as I like to tell it: my parents earned enough money so they can now support themselves, me and a cat. That earning money was in a time of tremendous changes (fall of the wall, 90's), and they didn't earn that money from whining about the good old times, but from hard work and taking risks. And I didn't get to where I am now from whining about the good old times, but from moving my ass.

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

dodger....do u think the gogos live under a rock....???...they all have access to TV/internet/MTV...they know how we live in the west/japan/korea....etc...they are fully aware that bht1000 is the price of a mains in an average restaurant back home...u must still think that the natives are all stooopid and uneducated

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They watch Western/Korean/Japanese TV, but that doesn't mean they know how we live.
Anecdote from friends who spent some time in Africa, retold from memory:

African: I want to go to Europe.
German: Why do you want to go to Europe?
African: Because everyone in Europe has a house and a garden and a car.
German: That's not true. Many people don't have a house and garden or a car.
African: You are lying. I saw it on TV, with my own eyes!

Or a recent example of a Westerner in Cambodia whose wife thought that money comes out of an ATM, i.e. by some kind of sorcery he has that card that can get money out of ATM, and she can't because she is not privy to that sorcery.

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Originally Posted by christianpfc

I was (financially savvy at the age 18-25, even before).

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I was at least trying, since I'd read the financial pages in the newspapers from about 11 years old. I bought my first stocks at under 20, but to be honest that was just stagging privatizations with the pittance I had at the time. There is no barrier to learning young if motivated.

Meanwhile, I've even seen mature farang who visit Thailand still getting suckered into all sorts of nonsense, such as blatant pyramid selling schemes & falling for any over hyped investment scheme. Aspirations of achieving financial independence within 5 years failing, due to one idiotic decision after another.
Thankfully, these seem to be in the minority,

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Originally Posted by christianpfc

Or a recent example of a Westerner in Cambodia whose wife thought that money comes out of an ATM, i.e. by some kind of sorcery he has that card that can get money out of ATM, and she can't because she is not privy to that sorcery.

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All the boys I know think the same, farang's money comes out of an ATM, without limit.

Christian and Francois seem to be mixing with boys from the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. If anyone thinks that money simply comes out of an atm then it's Christian.

The boys I know have a very good idea of how much money they need every month for rent, food, motorbike payments etc. They know the going rate for their services be it short time, long time or fun in the bar. In short, they know the value of money and what it takes to get it. Only a very few fresh off the Isaan Sexpress think a farang knight on a white steed is going to whisk them away to paradise.

It doesn't matter how much money a person has, or how they obtained their money. The "Quality" of a person can be seen by how much compassion and generosity they show others who are less fortunate. IMHO...the rest is just bullshit.

The majority of working boys look for these characteristics in all of us, and react to us as appropriate. If you're judged as being jai dee, (translated as someone who is behaving in a way that shows you care about other people) then the world's your oyster, but if you think your money can buy you this level of respect with a Thai you're in for a huge disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Dodger

It doesn't matter how much money a person has, or how they obtained their money. The "Quality" of a person can be seen by how much compassion and generosity they show others who are less fortunate. IMHO...the rest is just bullshit.

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The quality of a person has nothing to do with money, but it's money that puts food on the table, pays for accommodation & other expenses. Which is what I think the tread is about.

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Originally Posted by goji

The quality of a person has nothing to do with money, but it's money that puts food on the table, pays for accommodation & other expenses. Which is what I think the tread is about.

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I could be wrong, but I think we're saying the same thing.

dodger lives in lala land...

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

dodger lives in lala land...

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Hard to disagree with that one.

Walking Street Gogo Dancer says..."open by years end or I go home". (link to article below)

Nothing really remarkable about the story itself, but I did find a point that the girl made interesting. She said that if her farang sponsor from England stopped sending her money she'd have to leave Pattaya and return home to sell food at her local market.

I couldn't help but wonder what the girl's been telling her generous farang sponsor this whole time. Does he think she's actually back home selling food at the market while he's back in his home country - or is he OK with the fact that she's patiently waiting to shag customers on Walking Street while he's away?

Only in Thailand!

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestne...go-home-368495

And from the other tourists' side, a lot of people are looking for alternatives. I went to Brazil last year, because Brazil was open and Thailand was not, and liked it there and will go back (at the expense of time spent in Thailand). Now I'm in Cambodia because it was easier to get here and it is easier to stay here long time for me, because Thailand didn't get their shit together in time.

Many others I spoke to will go where-ever warm/cheap/boys, and if Thailand is too slow in opening, or conditions are too unfavorable, will go somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by christianpfc

Many others I spoke to will go where-ever warm/cheap/boys, and if Thailand is too slow in opening, or conditions are too unfavorable, will go somewhere else.

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A better word would be affordable boys. Cheap has some undesirable connotations such as "of little account; of small value; mean; shoddy."

...so funny....a Frenchman I presume givng a German english lessons...

Sadly Latin the under the carpet backstairs truth about Francois has been revealed in all its gory sordid detail. He's actually American.

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

...so funny....a Frenchman I presume givng a German english lessons...

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Originally Posted by arsenal

....He's actually American

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So, an American giving English lessons to a German? Even funnier!

Christian's written English is excellent, much better than most native English speakers. My comment was to point out that the word "cheap" has some negative connotations.
Christian has always asked for corrections or suggestions if he makes an error or a faux pas. Or perhaps some of you may disagree with my comment on the use of the word "cheap" to describe a Thai?

....u the one with the tank with 11 reverse gears...relax....just pulling your leg

Better still... just spreading his legs.

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Originally Posted by dinagam

Better still... just spreading his legs.

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And on that subject dinagam, such advice should be followed by Thai Sex Workers in Chonburi when social distancing as it was endorsed by no less a figure than the New Zealand Covid-19 response Minister, Chris Hipkins:

https://youtu.be/mLvYWhdaJk4

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Originally Posted by francois

Or perhaps some of you may disagree with my comment on the use of the word "cheap" to describe a Thai?

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I have had many friends comment to me over the past 20 years that you only need to follow the nightly news to see how cheaply the value of a life is held in Thailand

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Originally Posted by francois

A better word would be affordable boys. Cheap has some undesirable connotations such as "of little account; of small value; mean; shoddy."

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warm/cheap/boys is meant as a shorthand for "warm weather, cheap living conditions (that includes affordable boys), available boys to my taste", the three things I look for in a holiday destination. If one is missing, my interest falls significantly.

Thanks for pointing out the negative connotations of "cheap", actually it's the same in German (billig), and we have to find the right word as well to distinguish "value for money" or "affordable" or "inexpensive" from "cheap".

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Originally Posted by latintopxxx

....u the one with the tank with 11 reverse gears...relax....just pulling your leg

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Say it ain't so; I have believed every word you have ever written on this forum!:heart: