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There aren’t that many true local Thai boys particular in the mainstream go-go boy scene these days anyway. They traveled distance from Vietnam or Combodia hoping to do exactly what they are currently doing. I am guilty of the crime myself and always forget that the boy in front of me is only mine for only 2hrs (or 1.5hrs if they cut corners). While you appreciate, treat or even care of them like a boy-friend, 99% of the time the boys would much prefer to be at GOD or Nad with friends instead. I think I wrote something similar here a few years ago: Bangkok/Pattaya is like Disneyland for adults. Please understand you pay to have the thrill of roller coasters or the magic of the around-the-world boat ride. However, when the ride is finished, it is finished.
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dimdumbear...speak many truths...
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I am currently in Pattaya. I talked to a money boy who has a house and a car. His boyfriend of 4 years had send him every month 30.000 baht. 4 years in a row this happened. They are finished now. But he is owner of a nice house and a big car.
In my country boys his age don’t own houses and that expensive car he showed me. He is well off.
I think if you are young and beautiful and smart you can make a fortune for Thai standards between ages 18 and say 25 by being a moneyboy. They are not to be pitied. After that you have a house. You only need then a simple part time job to pay for your food (house you have) and you are better of than a huge part of the population.
Some wrote here sex workers have sometimes problems. Some commit suicide. Of course given the number of sex workers in Thailand you will always find some who commit suicide, like in any other profession. The question is, is the suicide rate higher compared to other professions? My impression is nearly all boys choose this and aren’t forced. And if they are forced then who isn’t forced? I am forced to work else I can’t earn a living. They earn a living with a few hours work a day. Compare that to the average guy in my country who is in his office from 9 till 18.00. These boys aren’t to be pitied. Unless you see sex work as somehow sinful. Why? It’s just a job. And an easy one for that. One of the better paid jobs you can possibly have. The hourly rate is huge.
Also I think Thais are in general doing good. I see many with smartphones. Many drive a car. Living standard isn’t that bad in my view. Real poverty is only in the country side?
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...I was gonna say something...but decided not to...
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Since most Thais live in "the countryside", such comments are inaccurate. Bangkok and Pattaya are in no way representative of Thailand and while some workers in the tourist industry are doing well, much of the money that is earned- including money from the sex trade- ends up in Isaan and so on supporting families there.
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olover...u r straying from the point...issue is that a small (i think!) minority believe that all sex workers are in some form or manner forced/pressurised into the business...they can't seem understand...or r unwilling to even contemplate ...that for some ...and i would dare say in BKK/Pattaya ...most actually choose and prefer it...its a much less strenuous occupation compared to the alternatives for someone with little education and the earning potential far outstrips anything they could earn slaving away at the 7-11 or heaven forbid a construction site or paddy field.
I've fuck..and I mean fucked...not made love to...quite a few straight MBs...they dont even get hard..and need to watch straight porn to get hard and jerk off...and the only reason i can think of is money...easy money...even the pittance i pay them...bht1000 max...means that all they need is 2 dates a week...4 hours a week at the very most to match a 7-11 wage....u would be totally stupid not to...and that is the problem...some posters here shoot off theit gobs assuming that conditions in Thailand r similar to back home in the UK/EU/USA...totally clueless
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scottish-guy
At least 2 boys I have met over the years alleged they were sent by their families to an "Aunt" in Pattaya (specific definition unknown) who then sold/introduced them to a bar and told them that was how they had to earn their keep.
This may go on, but I have not yet encountered it. Then if a family does screw over one of their own like that, well the individual has the choice of going along with it or growing a pair of balls and leaving them.
Without causing an onscene amount of trouble, there is not a great deal we can do about it. If we double the tip, they are still in the same situation and we will find every boy in town has the same story 1 week later.
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Being a moneyboy is a strenuous occupation especially when the client is latin...
And if you double the tip most of it will be used to meet the needs for alcohol and fun with friends.
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Goji - just sharing what I was told, not suggesting you or anybody else “does” anything
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scotty...get with the program...2nd hand conversations/hearsay r not admissible in a law court...do try to keep up oh great intellectual one...
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' without any proof or way of really knowing the impression i get is that in Thailand there is no or very little forced prostitution '
In terms of girls or boys being kept under lock and key and then sexually used against their will, there is no evidence that I've ever seen.
However, I do know of bars that are police owned, and appear - although I've no absolute proof - to be staffed by girls who are working as an alternative to doing jail time. It's been noted that these girls do not have their ID cards but do have some papers issued by the police. As the papers are in Thai it's not clear what exactly they say, - it's speculated that they may be a licence to be out and about in certain areas only.
This is close to being a 'forced' situation. It is also noted that in establishments primarily catering for Thai customers, the proprietors order their staff around as though they own them - it's not clear why the girls put up with that - the impression is given that they have no choice..
I've never witnessed anything like that in the gay scene however..
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AsDaRa
I talked to a money boy who has a house and a car. His boyfriend of 4 years had send him every month 30.000 baht. 4 years in a row this happened. They are finished now. But he is owner of a nice house and a big car.
The question is, is the suicide rate higher compared to other professions? My impression is nearly all boys choose this and aren’t forced. And if they are forced then who isn’t forced? I am forced to work else I can’t earn a living. They earn a living with a few hours work a day. Compare that to the average guy in my country who is in his office from 9 till 18.00. These boys aren’t to be pitied. Unless you see sex work as somehow sinful. Why? It’s just a job. And an easy one for that. One of the better paid jobs you can possibly have. The hourly rate is huge.
Also I think Thais are in general doing good. I see many with smartphones. Many drive a car. Living standard isn’t that bad in my view. Real poverty is only in the country side?
OK so you know a boy who did well with a long term "BOYFRIEND" - I would argue that is rare.
In most societies over time being a prostitute has been looked down upon as a profession. Yes Yes..I am sure you can come up with 1 or 2 counter examples but IN GENERAL prostitution is not seen as an honorable profession.
If you look at studies on mental health and prostitution it can get a bit messy as there are different kinds of prostitution..ie a high end escort versus a street walker but in general there are negative mental health consequences from engaging in prostitution. Most of the studies have been done in the west so are they applicable to Thailand?
I don't know. I do know that many of the boys tell their families back in the home village that they are working in a factory or a hotel etc..Hmmm...I guess telling everyone in the village they are a prostitute must have a stigma attached to it...and hmmm..guess what that impacts mental health.
So why do they do it? Easy money? their friends are doing it? Better than working in the rice fields? better than working for next to nothing in the boring village?
I don;t know why they do it but my experience is that most last a short while and move on..being a male prostitute in Pattaya in not a long term career.
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kittyboy
I don;t know why they do it but my experience is that most last a short while and move on..being a male prostitute in Pattaya in not a long term career.
That's my experience as well. No compulsion or coercion. They mostly roll into town, try the easy money and move on. Freedom of choice, just the same as it is with the customers.
A minority hang around for years.
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Don't underestimate the sheer "fun" of being in the Pattaya scene, particularly a few years ago when it was more lively. The guys had good friends-indeed, some travelled to Pattaya in friendship groups- they had Hollywood and so on to entertain them after hours, looked after each other by sharing food and accommodation when times were hard and, for some, there was the chance of the jackpot when a soppy falang turned-up and fell in love. Like me. And ten, fifteen years on, a number of these relationships have endured.
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In the last 5 years I've probably enjoyed not more than a dozen from actual gogo bars....vast majority have been off apps and street trade...some hold down regular jobs and moonlight as MBs during their free time...this would indicate that its really money driven...on the odd occasion Ive seen some socialising with girls in a manner that would indicate that they are more than friends...guess the fact that some need straight porn to get hard would indicate their preference...if I get a real masculine one I love getting them to cum while Im fucking them and more than once they've had to watch straight porn on their mobiles...so I have no idea why they go into the sex trade...its definitely not only 100% gay guys...the only time I felt uncomfortable was in a massage parlour...had hardly started fucking the masseur when he had a scat episode...obviously was expecting scotty boy...but he still wanted his full tip...I refused and bitched to the owner/manager who proceeded to berate the masseur very loudly and apologised to me..all the whilst the masseur threw dagger looks at me..
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Delusion certainly knows no bounds on this board. They could convince themselves black was white if it stroked their egos or salved their consciences
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scottish-guy
Delusion certainly knows no bounds on this board. They could convince themselves black was white if it stroked their egos or salved their consciences
Hey how much is sex workers down in Phuket?
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No fucking idea - I’m in G-A-Y Late in London, where are u ?
Anybody wanna call me a liar?
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kittyboy
OK so you know a boy who did well with a long term "BOYFRIEND" - I would argue that is rare.
In most societies over time being a prostitute has been looked down upon as a profession. Yes Yes..I am sure you can come up with 1 or 2 counter examples but IN GENERAL prostitution is not seen as an honorable profession.
If you look at studies on mental health and prostitution it can get a bit messy as there are different kinds of prostitution..ie a high end escort versus a street walker but in general there are negative mental health consequences from engaging in prostitution. Most of the studies have been done in the west so are they applicable to Thailand?
I don't know. I do know that many of the boys tell their families back in the home village that they are working in a factory or a hotel etc..Hmmm...I guess telling everyone in the village they are a prostitute must have a stigma attached to it...and hmmm..guess what that impacts mental health.
So why do they do it? Easy money? their friends are doing it? Better than working in the rice fields? better than working for next to nothing in the boring village?
I don;t know why they do it but my experience is that most last a short while and move on..being a male prostitute in Pattaya in not a long term career.
I think the points I wanted to make were not communicated clearly enough. A second try:
1) Compare a moneyboy with any other boy with bad education in Thailand who is working for 12.000 baht a month in a 7-11 store for example. Then what I see is this: the moneyboy has more free time - much more - and most likely a higher income (certainly when he has a boyfriend who helps him). Who is then better off?
2) If you are smart and young and beautiful and you have a normal job and you are in evening a moneyboy and save that money then after your prime years you can buy yourself a house. You have then laid a solid foundation for your future life. No more worries about rent to pay, you only need income for food basically. I think such a boy is not to be pitied at all. He is in fact very smart being a moneyboy.
3) Most boys are not forced. Unless you stretch the meaning of 'forced'. When you stretch it that far I am also forced to work.
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AsDaRa...they dont even have to be that young and beautiful...they just gotta be smart and really good where it counts...the sex department
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Nah. They gotta be good looking otherwise the legendary Arsenal ain't offing you and that is all there is to it.
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latintopxxx
AsDaRa...they dont even have to be that young and beautiful...they just gotta be smart and really good where it counts...the sex department
True, but how will a first time customer know that about you? First time customers go for looks I assume? I do.
After 4 years travelling I have some regulars, who don't look as good anymore as 4 years ago, but since I know them and how they are I choose them.
But I think if I were to meet them now for the first time I would not choose them, considering there are so many beautiful young twinks around I have never offed.
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latintopxxx
AsDaRa...they dont even have to be that young and beautiful...they just gotta be smart and really good where it counts...the sex department
Well for me, they do have to be young and beautiful. And of course good in bed.
As for why they choose to be money boys is simple:
• The money is good.
• Shot working hours.
• Beat working longs hours elsewhere.
• Work when they want.
• Surpport family back in the villages.
• Power and being in Control.
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Blacktouch
• Power and being in Control.
Got that Latin?
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yeah, guess we all have different tastes...I prefer rough looking in their twenties...biggest tun off is skinny stick figures fem twinkies...afraid I'll break them
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Surprised you haven’t broken your cock given the amount of wanking you presumably give it when posting your S&M fantasies
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His S&M fantasies or your scat obsession. They're the same. Both creepy and both well past their sell by date.
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Some could say the same about the non stop seemingly never ending boring trolling on the board of late......but hey ho.
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